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Absolutely. Not arguing with that.
Mega Thread Dayne Beams trade (Its over, thread closed)
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ABSOFARKENLUTELY! Rockliff/Hanley maybe not. But Aish! Come on!
By the same token I think we'd have to be prepared to give up a Kennedy/Grundy/Broomhead though so it is harder than it sounds.
76woodenspooners
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A lot of people seem to be on this "meet in the middle" thing ... But I disagree strongly with that.
It's all about putting together a deal that will make Brisbane a better team, and Collingwood a better team (and if there are 3rd parties involved, making them better teams too)
Unless that happens, no deal is going to made, is it?
Of course there are timeframes involved one team might become better than they are instantly, and the other might have to wait a few years to reap the benefit of the trade (ie: see Shaw-Adams).
But essentially they have to have some motivation to do the trade.
Brisbane don't have to trade. Collingwood don't have to trade. And if they can't figure out a deal that benefits both parties then they won't trade.
And that's not going to happen by "meeting in the middle".
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I don't care for this type of logic.
How many of these "ill informed" BF posters pay for memberships year after year? The club should care about what the opinions of it's supporters.
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The other thing I like about the Friday deadline is that it gives Brisbane a confined period to decide how badly they want the trade to happen then if they don't get serious we have an extended period to 'get it on' with GOld Coast. Even if it comes down to one of those stand offs because Beams refuses to go to GC you would think the public and media scrutiny would then have to shift to him given his stated reason for leaving is to be close to his father and not to join the Brisbane Lions.
Gold Coast have said they won't make a play unless negotiations between Brisbane and Collingwood fall through, this gives the deal a chance to get done or fall through in enough time to allow GC to make play and at the same time lets Brisbane know they can't block out other possibilities by just dragging it out until the end of the trade period. Clever. And yet there are supposedly some on the Brions board who declare us incompetent.
The important thing is that we stick to the deadline or we will not be taken seriously in the future.
Gold Coast have said they won't make a play unless negotiations between Brisbane and Collingwood fall through, this gives the deal a chance to get done or fall through in enough time to allow GC to make play and at the same time lets Brisbane know they can't block out other possibilities by just dragging it out until the end of the trade period. Clever. And yet there are supposedly some on the Brions board who declare us incompetent.
The important thing is that we stick to the deadline or we will not be taken seriously in the future.
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Didn't consider that. Aish to the Crows for pick 9 sounds close. Picks 4 & 9 for Beams, is a fair deal, IMO, considering the draft depth.
If we're keen on Greenwood-
Lumumba & pick 29 for picks 22 & 34 (Clark trade)
Greenwood for 34.
Picks 4, 9 & 22 + Greenwood for Pick 29, Beams and Lumumba. I could live with that.
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If Brisbane fans on here are anything to go by there's no way in hell a trade will get done. They really think half their list is untouchable. Astounds me considering they were bottom four.
I thought so too but I would have needed a bit more amunition to hit him with before I replied. In the end my better judgement meant not engaging him, would have been pointless.
He was invited to the BnF stop defending him, Beams has every right to seek out greener pastures for a myriad of reasons but he doesn't have to act like a scorned lover about it.
Agree it is emotionally difficult to give up hope- young players showing a bit.
However, if Darcey was not on the agenda this year would you give up pick 8 and any of those 3 for Dangerfield.
If we can remove the emotional connection to hope and deal just on logic (hard to do in what is an emotional sport) not many players get to the level of Beams at present and he still has his prime to come. It is 2 lotto tickets against a winning ticket.
76woodenspooners
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Sometimes people don't realise that they're unhappy until they're put in a situation that makes them happy.
Beams has definately had highs and lows at Collingwood. 2013 was a low that we can all appreciate and respect.
There may be many things, and it might not simply just been one thing. We've all been through work / school / social environments where we have a moment of realisation that we don't want to be here anymore.
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Plus Darcy Moore.
I agree.
Won't get Hanley or Rockliff or Redden.
Aish or Mayes plus 4 is much more palatable to them.
1 -2 years only into their development, have shown good signs but not dominant players yet and no guarantee they become anything other then good solid players.
Beams is a known goal kicking midfield gun.
Disagree. Rockliff is worth similar to Beams so pick 4 and Rockliff wouldn't be a deal
Hanley is worth a bit less than Beams, but with pick 4 they would be worth about the same again no deal from Brisbane
Aish is worth less again he's a potential and with pick 4 he is worth a little less than Beams but you don't trade out young talent unless they are going soon anyway. I can however see this deal happening, if Aish wants to go to Melbourne/Adelaide although Aish won't make his desire to be traded public unless it happens.
Yeah except that can't happen coz u cannot on-trade a player! You can only on-trade a pick!
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Just do a three way trade with Adelaide then. They give pick 9 to Brisbane who then on trade it to us along with their pick 4.
speedytiger
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I believe it was an old post by Beams done a few weeks ago. It only came up again last night when a fan commented on it.
Yeah except that can't happen coz u cannot on-trade a player! You can only on-trade a pick!
I don't really have a problem with Beams not being at the Copeland.
It could be as simple as him not wanting to entertain people hassling him all night with questions and pleas to stay. Most of us would know the feeling of wanting to move on (footy club or work), you're mind is made up for whatever reason and you don't want to be in situations where people are constantly trying to change your mind.
H would probably like the attention whereas Beams most likely would prefer to avoid it.
I don't know, it's a tough one but I don't think it defines character because most of us have no idea what sort of character he is in the first place.
It could be as simple as him not wanting to entertain people hassling him all night with questions and pleas to stay. Most of us would know the feeling of wanting to move on (footy club or work), you're mind is made up for whatever reason and you don't want to be in situations where people are constantly trying to change your mind.
H would probably like the attention whereas Beams most likely would prefer to avoid it.
I don't know, it's a tough one but I don't think it defines character because most of us have no idea what sort of character he is in the first place.
As can said. The other thing I'm not sure of, is can you trade a player after being drafted only a year ago? Does a National draftee have to serve his initial 2 year deal, prior to moving clubs?
This needs to be posted as a thread title and stickied forever.
FiloBeddie, can this happen? I don't have the answer.
Aish to Crows for pick 9 to Brisbane.
Beams to Lions for picks 4 & 9.
Pick 9 and 29
Sounds ok I think. I reckon some thought that the It would be 4 and Aish to us and then we could deal with Adelaide separately. That can't happen.
I understand where you are coming from but what has transpired in the past 24 hours means simply that it is pick 4 and a worthwhile player or he plays for the Pies next year.
We certainly won't get nothing next year as some posters allude to, if free agency compo stays the way it is we will end up with two first round picks.
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