MRP / Trib. De Goey hit on Elijah Hewett

[_Mike_]

Stay on topic thanks, that also means ending the thread derailing posts & silly troll comments

 

[Mitchell Madness]

How can it only be two weeks? The victim misses two games so it should be at least 4 in my opinion so the player committing the offence is worse off by a margin.

This one is an open and shut case. Chooses to bump, leaves the ground = more damage and the book thrown at him. Stewart was the same except he didn't jump and it was a tall player vs a short player. De Goey is 2cm taller than Hewett so jumping really makes the head contact the only outcome.

Do you understand what action vs outcome means?

 

[Purple Suit]

Strange logic.

If he had bumped Paddy McCartin, and McCartin, due to his history, missed half a season, that mean JDG’s punishment should also be half a season?

If you knock someone out, they miss the remainder of the current game and next week by the new rules. Any thing that a player does outside the rules needs to take this into consideration, not some sort of made up scenario if someone is out for six months. I'm talking about every normal concussion from now on.

Therefore 3 weeks is just 1 week extra than the victim gets. 3 is not enough if the player is doing completely the wrong thing and has a choice. 2 is a joke.

 

[boncer34]

Action vs outcome tonight.
Action was not as bad as pickett on smith which I regard as the benchmark, but the outcome was worse.

You'd expect it's 2 weeks

If it was 2 weeks he wouldn't be at the tribunal.

 

[kaiserchief13]

I reckon it'll be 4. Pies will argue for 3, afl push for 5, meet halfway at 4

 

[Underarm]

Action vs outcome tonight.
Action was not as bad as pickett on smith which I regard as the benchmark, but the outcome was worse.

You'd expect it's 2 weeks

The Pickett case looks more and more ridiculous as the weeks go on. Its not the benchmark you should be using.

 

[Purple Suit]

Do you understand what action vs outcome means?

Yep and the AFL have shown to prefer to punish the outcome rather than the action. Hence why Pickett got two weeks when the action looked worse but the outcome was better.

De Goey's outcome should mean a 4 week holiday as the action wasn't exactly a legal bump gone wrong.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

How can it only be two weeks? The victim misses two games so it should be at least 4 in my opinion so the player committing the offence is worse off by a margin.

This one is an open and shut case. Chooses to bump, leaves the ground = more damage and the book thrown at him. Stewart was the same except he didn't jump and it was a tall player vs a short player. De Goey is 2cm taller than Hewett so jumping really makes the head contact the only outcome.

The Pickett case looks more and more ridiculous as the weeks go on. Its not the benchmark you should be using.

so how did it happen? can anyone explain? if we just tear up precedents because they didn't make sense where the hell does that leave us?

 

[Fitzey]

4 weeks would be fair I think, was dumb instead of dirty but you just can’t do that. Should get the bad boy tax on top of that though so it should be 6 but will probably be 3.

 

[Purple Suit]

so how did it happen? can anyone explain? if we just tear up precedents because they didn't make sense where the hell does that leave us?

It is great that we are now using precedents as the AFL use to just make it up from scratch every time. It doesn't mean that Picketts and De Goeys hits are similar as the outcome was different.

I think it is fair that it becomes a basis of the charge though and any near ball hits could mean

2 weeks for the hit.
2 weeks for the concussion.

= 4 weeks

Stewart & De Goey the same, Pickett a very lucky boy.

 

[largebus]

From the live blog it seems they're opening with the Good Bloke Defence.
Tarryn Thomas

26

Tarryn Thomas

Age

24

Ht

190cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.7

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

3.3

5star

CL

0.9

3star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

3.2

4star

CL

0.2

2star

D

12.8

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

0.4

3star

should take note next time he's in trouble with the MRO.

 

[Underarm]

so how did it happen? can anyone explain? if we just tear up precedents because they didn't make sense where the hell does that leave us?

I'm not sure. But there are plenty of other examples of actions like degoey that have lead to more than the 2 pickett got. Look at Mcadam from round 1 or Stewart on Prestia last year.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Just let him off ya dogs, I'm having a bad year and want a flag (which will fix all my problems surely).

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

He jumped off the ground. He should get 5 but will get 2-3 because of the club he plays for.

 

[Strange Cat]

He jumped off the ground. He should get 5 but will get 2-3 because of the club he plays for.

Yep just amazing that people are trying to call is a dumb mistake rather than a dirty act …he had heaps of options and could see the play from a mile away and still approached it with a direct jump bump to the head to a player that no longer had the ball and wasn’t in play

 

[HTPunter]

So because he didn’t mean to do it and feels bad it resulted in an injury he should get less weeks?

Do they not understand he’s already had a discount applied for that - by it being rated “careless” not “intentional”?

Lol the tribunal is probably dumb enough to buy it but that doesn’t make sense. You don’t get an extra discount on the discount for being careless.

 

[HTPunter]

Yep just amazing that people are trying to call is a dumb mistake rather than a dirty act …he had heaps of options and could see the play from a mile away and still approached it with a direct jump bump to the head to a player that no longer had the ball and wasn’t in play

And I bet the same people would all be championing his amazing instincts and reflexes if it was a quick snap at goal.

Apparently you can’t stop yourself from bumping in a split second (even though most players do) but you can gather and snap in a split second but that’s different

 

[HTPunter]

Just let him off ya dogs, I'm having a bad year and want a flag (which will fix all my problems surely).

De Goey out in June won’t hurt your flag chances lol he deserves a month and you’ll still win your flag most likely

 

[LordLucifer]

Action vs outcome tonight.
Action was not as bad as pickett on smith which I regard as the benchmark, but the outcome was worse.

You'd expect it's 2 weeks

Pickett got off light IMO, should have been 5-6 weeks as a minimum and that would have set the standard for what was to come after that incident.

De Goey deserves the same 5-6 week penalty if the AFL are serious about eliminating cheap shots & head high hits.

 

[My Tilly]

He jumped off the ground. He should get 5 but will get 2-3 because of the club he plays for.

Stewart bump was worse and that was only 4 weeks.

 

[Tugga27]

Stewart bump was worse and that was only 4 weeks.

Most people thought he was lucky to get only 4 weeks.
That was also 12 months ago.

It's either 3 or 4.

 

[Maddo11]

3 weeks.

Would have thought 4, hope they didn't buy the "media noise makes it worse so discount pls" line

 

[Chism]

3 matches. Pies taking that and running away like bandits.

Keeps him away from Bali as well hopefully!

 

[largebus]

3 matches.
Big Vic club/good bloke discount in full affect because the media are meanies.

 

[Toump Ass]

What a load of horseshit.

 

[Strange Cat]

What a ****ing joke only 3 matches