Do Brisbane need a priority pick?

[Tulip]

How do you increase player retention without appearing to give the club an advantage?

I'd love for the interstate sides to get a retention bonus payment but there would be riots in Melbourne.

Brisbane might need the AFL to spend some money and upgrade their facilities, build a big housing complex and allow the players to live there rent free etc.

Hide the bonuses.

There's a difference between 'retention' and a recruitment allowance. The WA and SA sides don't generally struggle to keep players, they struggle to recruit top line, mature players. QLD and NSW sides are the ones who should be given a retention bonus, but Sydney took the piss out of it and ruined the concept for everyone.

 

[Seeds]

They need a new coach...

Leppa is useless. Worse than Voss. Worse than Neeld.

Get an experienced coach (no more favourite sons) and watch things turn around.

Yep like carlton did with pagan and Malthouse. Experiance will work.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Brisbane, Port Adelaide and Gold Coast got one in 2011.

Rubbish.

Port have never had a priority pick and not in 2011: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_AFL_draft

 

[JasRulz63]

Rubbish.

Port have never had a priority pick and not in 2011: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_AFL_draft

Go to that link you posted and look at trade 17 for Brad Ebert.

 

[Lovemybrisbane]

Making finals are meaningless if you don't win the big one. Every year there are 17 losers and every year my club doesn't win a flag I consider it a failure. Maybe 17 spoons in a row might be an extreme as you couldn't sustain it.
As for your question I'd choose Fitzroy, if you had embraced the merge/take over you would be enjoying a 3 peat, Saints have nothing.
Over the last 15 years who would you rather support, Brisbane with 3 flags and a few years of being crap or someone like the Crows who finish around the finals most years without winning one?

Naive and narrow minded thought. I know which one I would prefer and it isn't your train of thought...

 

[wowlace]

They need a coach and cola.

 

[Turbocat]

Retention allowance ... they should be able to match any offer , and it not affect their cap..so that no player leaves for money? Will that keep them.. or is it some other reason they leave? They should not be able to have a free hit at other clubs with a bigger bucket of money.

Temporarily , they should give them extra access to the other Academy kids. If GWS dont take a kid they should get second bite.

Priority picks are a crazy mechanism .. A club is playing so poorly that it needs immediate additional help...so let give them an extra 18 year old.
The only way a PP should work is if they are similar to the 4 u17 pick the GWS received. They must trade it, let them get offers in and make it compulsory that a component of it is best 22 player. A P1 would surely get a player and a pick..so they get an immediate help and some long term help as well.

They have Matthews up there ..if it their coach is no good wouldn't he know? Or should they get another x Hawk guy up there.

And yes .. all the Vic clubs are left to wither if they fall to the bottom... but the AFL's issues and financial investment in the Northern clubs means they have to do something. Having two QLD clubs being the pits is not tolerable.

 

[MC_9]

They need a new coach...

Leppa is useless. Worse than Voss. Worse than Neeld.

Get an experienced coach (no more favourite sons) and watch things turn around.

They seem to be the last club in the comp that is still caught up with favorite sons as coaches. It very rarely works.

 

[Geelong63]

Honestly Brisbane are playing to expectations.

I can't see them beating anyone else this year.

They need to take responsibility for the situation that they find themselves in.

New Coach and a list clean out will be a good start

 

[DaVillaBlues]

Happy for Brisbane to get a PP at the end of the first round. It's not fair for other rebuilding clubs if they got another top 5 pick.

Besides, I think other issues at Brisbane need addressing (coaching, player retention etc)

 

[demondavey]

I think they do. Won't fix everything, but they do need a boost. Had a shocking draw to start the year, but are now getting flogged by a fairly average Collingwood side. Think if the AFL is serious about footy in QLD and the Lions don't have a dramatic turnaround between now and round 23, they need draft assistance.

Agree entirely. Look at the concessions GC received as a start up club in QLD, the AFL needs to remember that QLD isn't a traditional AFL state, and Brisbane will fade into obscurity without assistance. They need a priority pick at a minimum, I'd argue two at least. They also need incentives for players to stay there. It's hard work sustaining one team let alone 2 up there.

 

[Great8]

Honestly Brisbane are playing to expectations.

I can't see them beating anyone else this year.

They need to take responsibility for the situation that they find themselves in.

New Coach and a list clean out will be a good start

They still have us to play

 

[demondavey]

I think their situation is a bit similar to that of Melbourne. Two really poor coaches with average lists (Bailey & Need), and need to turn to something positive now. Proven coaches and not favourite sons. They need a neutral up there. A high ranked assistant coach at Hawthorn, Geelong, or Sydney perhaps. Even North. They need a coach with a blueprint for success from a winning club.

 

[demondavey]

They still have us to play

Wouldn't guarantee a Lions win at all

 

[Smithdogmaddog]

They had a really bad game last night but other than that have been really competitive at home. They're a rebuilding team and tracking accordingly, it doesn't happen over night. They probably do need a player retention allowance but you hear so much about cultural issues, where there's smoke there's fire. Hopefully theyve addressed them now which seems to have happened.

Liquid gold Academy will give them 2 first rounders in the next 2 years. No need for priority picks. The academics are a better version of that and will be ongoing.

 

[CarterS]

I think their situation is a bit similar to that of Melbourne. Two really poor coaches with average lists (Bailey & Need), and need to turn to something positive now. Proven coaches and not favourite sons. They need a neutral up there. A high ranked assistant coach at Hawthorn, Geelong, or Sydney perhaps. Even North. They need a coach with a blueprint for success from a winning club.

We got the wrong favourite son could have used one of the Scott boys up here.

 

[Gabbatoir]

As much as it is good to see our plight isn't going unnoticed by fans of other clubs - there is something soul destroying about seeing your rivals feel sorry for you.

I hope we do get a pick, I wish we didnt need one but we definitely need something.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

When Brisbane Lions were playing in 4 GFs in a row for 3 premierships, Leigh Matthews tried desperately to convince the AFL that Brisbane Lions were far from being a stronghold in the AFL and still needed assistance. Many people laughed at Matthews, suggesting he was just trying to make a better deal for himself as coach.

Did the AFL take any notice of him? Nope, of course not. Incredibly, they kept pumping money into Sydney but decided the Lions didn't need that assistance. Idiots.

What did the AFL decide to do instead? That's right, bring a second team into Queensland. Wasn't THAT decision a winner? All it's achieved is turn Queensland football into a basket case. Matthews was asked the other day if Brisbane Lions and Gold Coast should merge. He said, "Yes, but under the current administration, it won't happen".

The AFL don't like having to admit they were wrong.

 

[Suma Magic]

What about priority access to top young talent at a heavy discount year after year?

Oh wait...

 

[SterlingArcher]

Don't reckon their list is even that bad. Got some future guns forward (Schache, McStay) and back (Andrews), and a decent midfield (+ kids like Keays).

They just put in some shit efforts.

Last night was not indicative of the difference between Pies and Lions, no way that's the difference in lists.

 

[Redeye Rambler]

Overreaction thread. Last nights game was a very poor performance and well below what they are capable of.
One (very) bad game doesn't constitute a crisis. Would we be having this conversation if the Lions had won against Collingwood?
With a tough draw at the start of the season, one win in the first 8 rounds is within expectations. Youngest list in the AFL, and significant injuries haven't helped.

A priority pick isn't needed. Priority picks help a club 2-12 years after being selected. I would like to think that the Lions on-field performance is currently trending upwards.

The problems facing the Queensland clubs are in player retention and off-field personnel/facilities, and are well known by the Queensland clubs and the AFL. Queensland players will never achieve the level of "fame", or earn as much money as Victorian players, but the academy allows us to recruit local players will address retention to a degree. The off-field staff & facilities are a more difficult problem. The Lions have limited finances to compete with Victorian clubs for top-shelf staff, and player facilities. for example, the Lions don't have a permanent training ground in the summer, and rent the Gabba dungeons to use as a training base. There is no simple answer to the financial problem.

Sacking the coach isn't an option at this point. The board has decided that some stability is crucial to ongoing improvement.

 

[Redeye Rambler]

Don't reckon their list is even that bad. Got some future guns forward (Schache, McStay) and back (Andrews), and a decent midfield (+ kids like Keays).

They just put in some shit efforts.

Last night was not indicative of the difference between Pies and Lions, no way that's the difference in lists.

yeah, last night was a bad game.
The list looks OK for the future, but mediocre at the moment. The injury list so far this year makes it go from mediocre to poor. There has been several best 22 players missing significant games time. Beams, Rockliffe, Green, Mcgrath, Clarke, Merrett, Paparone, Gardiner, McStay, Close, Cutler, Mathieson, Zorko, Robinson and Rich have all missed games this year, and have been selected in the 22 when available.

 

[OldLion]

Don't reckon their list is even that bad. Got some future guns forward (Schache, McStay) and back (Andrews), and a decent midfield (+ kids like Keays).

They just put in some shit efforts.

Last night was not indicative of the difference between Pies and Lions, no way that's the difference in lists.

If you think McStay will be a gun forward, you clearly have not been watching. Delusional.

 

[LittleG]

So, Brisbane went all in to win 3 flags in a row and really ignored developing youth while going for premierships.
Then, they continually chased experienced players and neglected the new kids. So, the kids left.
Their current list issues are self inflicted and are going to be fixed long term by their academy and AFL financial assistance.
Other teams like the Dees have been down for years, why should Brisbane need more assistance than what the Dees were given?

 

[OldLion]

Overreaction thread. Last nights game was a very poor performance and well below what they are capable of.
One (very) bad game doesn't constitute a crisis. Would we be having this conversation if the Lions had won against Collingwood?
With a tough draw at the start of the season, one win in the first 8 rounds is within expectations. Youngest list in the AFL, and significant injuries haven't helped.

A priority pick isn't needed. Priority picks help a club 2-12 years after being selected. I would like to think that the Lions on-field performance is currently trending upwards.

The problems facing the Queensland clubs are in player retention and off-field personnel/facilities, and are well known by the Queensland clubs and the AFL. Queensland players will never achieve the level of "fame", or earn as much money as Victorian players, but the academy allows us to recruit local players will address retention to a degree. The off-field staff & facilities are a more difficult problem. The Lions have limited finances to compete with Victorian clubs for top-shelf staff, and player facilities. for example, the Lions don't have a permanent training ground in the summer, and rent the Gabba dungeons to use as a training base. There is no simple answer to the financial problem.

Sacking the coach isn't an option at this point. The board has decided that some stability is crucial to ongoing improvement.

The fact that, for the last 6 years, the team has offered no prospect of any season success after round 8 must affect membership and general interest. We have been playing out season after season with an abysmal away record, so any hope that Melbourne-based fans will 'jump onboard' is a mirage. 'Tending upwards' just won't cut it. Looks good in the powerpoint presentation but for those of us who just don't bother any more after witnessing some unmitigated floggings and dispiriting team efforts, the couch beckons. At least at Fitzroy we could hunker down and circle the wagons. You have to ask the question of the club and players - how much does it REALLY hurt to be flogged by your 'traditional rivals' ? In Victoria it does. And we have another year of gloom to embrace. Surely there's some ambitious coach who is up for the challenge. Lethal must be looking for those keys to hand back pretty soon.