Opinion Don Pyke general discussion

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Thetrader15 said:
Tex said in his presser today "Put it this way, next time we play them I'm confident you'll see the difference"

Hopefully the players put their foot down and told Don to start tagging.

Maybe Gooch in this week to start learning the craft of tagging
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Hope the difference is more than a .....'backing the players in to respond"........
 
Iron said:
It's conclusion I'm rejecting not the view. Your method is Melbournesque.
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Your comments are contradictory.

It's not the mere drawing of a conclusion in this circumstance that you oppose, it's the idea that you could form a view within a period of time. "Melbournesque' you call it. What nonsense. So, a coach must get more than 18 months irrespective of the level of incompetence? Literally nothing matters until then?

PS, Melbourne have made a Grand Final more recently than we have and are probably pretty likely to make one again before we do.
 

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Southerntakeover said:
Your comments are contradictory.

It's not the mere drawing of a conclusion in this circumstance that you oppose, it's the idea that you could form a view within a period of time. "Melbournesque' you call it. What nonsense. So, a coach must get more than 18 months irrespective of the level of incompetence? Literally nothing matters until then?

PS, Melbourne have made a Grand Final more recently than we have and are probably pretty likely to make one again before we do.
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Lol Melbourne. We are mediocre to the core.
 
I know people will say it's been obvious since the Geelong games last year that we need to change things. Let's put that aside, if we can.

Reasonable footy people can disagree on just what 'needs to change' - selection, gameplan, structures, player attitude, whatever - let's put that aside, too.

What sticks out to me is that this week everyone has been on the 'gotta change' page. Each in their own way- Roo, Tex, even Greenwood on AA. Geelong, M Lloyd, just about every footy journo and commentator.

There is a unanimity from within the club and without on this that I don't recall in the past. Maybe differing on the details but the common theme is there.

So, to me, this is line in the sand. Sure, maybe you think the line was 12 months ago and maybe you're cynical, and fair enough.

But as I said, there is so much out in public this week - from our own people included - more than I recall at one time and on the same theme - that there is no avoiding it. I don't know exactly what I want or expect to see, but there is no excuse for not seeing something to change up this week and in weeks to come.

I wait with interest, and not a little hope.
 
Swooping Crow said:
Lol Melbourne. We are mediocre to the core.
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I've been around a while.

I remember when we made snide comments about Sydney. 'Ha, we may have bombed out in '03, but we arent a loser club like Sydney, hurr hurr'. Then we watched in 2005 as they held aloft the cup that we'd had one hand on.

I remember when we made snide comments about Geelong. 'Ha, imagine having a premiership drought like Geelong' we said. Then they formed a dynasty.

Freo? We're not losers like Freo... they made the grand final.

The Bulldogs! Ha! We'll never be as bad as the bulldogs. Well i'll be, they've passed us by too.

Now we're really down to the last refuge of this particular form of inflation of accomplishment. Melbourne and Richmond. And when they too pass us by I wonder then if we'll finally have to admit that a ladder position above clubs for however many years is utterly worthless without the silverware.
 
Southerntakeover said:
Your comments are contradictory.

It's not the mere drawing of a conclusion in this circumstance that you oppose, it's the idea that you could form a view within a period of time. "Melbournesque' you call it. What nonsense. So, a coach must get more than 18 months irrespective of the level of incompetence? Literally nothing matters until then?

PS, Melbourne have made a Grand Final more recently than we have and are probably pretty likely to make one again before we do.
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18 months is too short a time to sack a coach. It is not too short a time to see that the coach has made mistakes along the way. I haven't said otherwise.

The part about Melbourne is soap opera panicking so I might leave that.
 
arrowman said:
I know people will say it's been obvious since the Geelong games last year that we need to change things. Let's put that aside, if we can.

Reasonable footy people can disagree on just what 'needs to change' - selection, gameplan, structures, player attitude, whatever - let's put that aside, too.

What sticks out to me is that this week everyone has been on the 'gotta change' page. Each in their own way- Roo, Tex, even Greenwood on AA. Geelong, M Lloyd, just about every footy journo and commentator.

There is a unanimity from within the club and without on this that I don't recall in the past. Maybe differing on the details but the common theme is there.

So, to me, this is line in the sand. Sure, maybe you think the line was 12 months ago and maybe you're cynical, and fair enough.

But as I said, there is so much out in public this week - from our own people included - more than I recall at one time and on the same theme - that there is no avoiding it. I don't know exactly what I want or expect to see, but there is no excuse for not seeing something to change up this week and in weeks to come.

I wait with interest, and not a little hope.
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The issue is by Don introducing his change moves during the game when it was too late he's now given Geelong and others an insight as to what we might do. Brown to tag, man up in defence, what else has he got available?

For one I'd be dropping a couple of soft players who must sit in the SANFL for a few weeks so when they come back they have a change of attitude and the rest of the team knows we won't cop it.

For me that's Jenkins, Atkins and Mackay, Mackay not for being soft but physically incapable to handle the heat and continually letting us down.
 
Elite Crow said:
The issue is by Don introducing his change moves during the game when it was too late he's now given Geelong and others an insight as to what we might do. Brown to tag, man up in defence, what else has he got available?

For one I'd be dropping a couple of soft players who must sit in the SANFL for a few weeks so when they come back they have a change of attitude and the rest of the team knows we won't cop it.

For me that's Jenkins, Atkins and Mackay, Mackay not for being soft but physically incapable to handle the heat and continually letting us down.
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I think the issue is more a change of mood and approach, not so much game style as they are seemingly wedded into them, but just ( hopefully) a more aggressive attacking approach

And maybe the last part of your post is the start
 
GreyCrow said:
I think the issue is more a change of mood and approach, not so much game style as they are seemingly wedded into them, but just ( hopefully) a more aggressive attacking approach

And maybe the last part of your post is the start
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Nah needs change of game style, if we aren't dominating or at least breaking even we can't let their defenders out number our forwards.
 
arrowman said:
I know people will say it's been obvious since the Geelong games last year that we need to change things. Let's put that aside, if we can.

Reasonable footy people can disagree on just what 'needs to change' - selection, gameplan, structures, player attitude, whatever - let's put that aside, too.

What sticks out to me is that this week everyone has been on the 'gotta change' page. Each in their own way- Roo, Tex, even Greenwood on AA. Geelong, M Lloyd, just about every footy journo and commentator.

There is a unanimity from within the club and without on this that I don't recall in the past. Maybe differing on the details but the common theme is there.

So, to me, this is line in the sand. Sure, maybe you think the line was 12 months ago and maybe you're cynical, and fair enough.

But as I said, there is so much out in public this week - from our own people included - more than I recall at one time and on the same theme - that there is no avoiding it. I don't know exactly what I want or expect to see, but there is no excuse for not seeing something to change up this week and in weeks to come.

I wait with interest, and not a little hope.
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How does it get to that point though? Pyke himself spoke of his disappointment in watching us do the same thing again. Last year. What's changed?

Hope you're right because we've not looked so hopelessly out of ideas since before Walsh picked up the reins.
 
Elite Crow said:
The issue is by Don introducing his change moves during the game when it was too late he's now given Geelong and others an insight as to what we might do. Brown to tag, man up in defence, what else has he got available?

For one I'd be dropping a couple of soft players who must sit in the SANFL for a few weeks so when they come back they have a change of attitude and the rest of the team knows we won't cop it.

For me that's Jenkins, Atkins and Mackay, Mackay not for being soft but physically incapable to handle the heat and continually letting us down.
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Jenkins wasn't bad against Geelong.
 

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Vhaluus said:
Players aren't at peak performance because they're still learning their craft and having their bodies mature.

Pyke has been coaching for over a decade now?

Also it wasn't rocket science. The fans said what he had to do. The media said what he had to do. He did it in the 3rd quarter for a bit and it started working SO HE STOPPED DOING IT.
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Prior to arriving here, he'd only 4 years experience at AFL level. His first 2 years under the watchful eye of Neil Craig. If he disagreed with many of Neil's philosophies it's not yet apparent which they'd be.
 
Vhaluus said:
Players aren't at peak performance because they're still learning their craft and having their bodies mature.

Pyke has been coaching for over a decade now?

Also it wasn't rocket science. The fans said what he had to do. The media said what he had to do. He did it in the 3rd quarter for a bit and it started working SO HE STOPPED DOING IT.
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No, Pyke has never been a senior coach - he is a rookie, just like our last 4 of our coaches have been.

Pyke made mistakes last year and he is making the same mistakes this year, it would appear he has not learnt a thing.

Maybe all the Fanbois on here that back the club on selection/structure and attack those of us who are highly critical (cos we are just numpties on BF) might need to rethink that just because the AFC employs these people doesn't mean they are experts.

The same people that said after the Freo game "Pykey and the boys really do know what they are doing" might now realise the uproar wasn't about winning the Freo game it was about repeating what we have been doing for the last 8 years - selecting underperforming senior players.
 
rocket18 said:
No, Pyke has never been a senior coach - he is a rookie, just like our last 4 of our coaches have been.

Pyke made mistakes last year and he is making the same mistakes this year, it would appear he has not learnt a thing.

Maybe all the Fanbois on here that back the club on selection/structure and attack those of us who are highly critical (cos we are just numpties on BF) might need to rethink that just because the AFC employs these people doesn't mean they are experts.

The same people that said after the Freo game "Pykey and the boys really do know what they are doing" might now realise the uproar wasn't about winning the Freo game it was about repeating what we have been doing for the last 8 years - selecting underperforming senior players.
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We dont have the players who can handle a tough physical contest we havent drafted them
 
marty36 said:
We dont have the players who can handle a tough physical contest we havent drafted them
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Comes under selection/structure.

The clowns doing our selection/structure would also have a lot of input into who we draft/trade.

But what would we know, maybe doing the same thing over and over and over again really is the best thing to do.
 
rocket18 said:
Comes under selection/structure.

The clowns doing our selection/structure would also have a lot of input into who we draft/trade.

But what would we know, maybe doing the same thing over and over and over again really is the best thing to do.
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So I hear its campo's fault as he is the assistant ?

Now its the coaches fault for drafting ?

Maybe thats Campos fault aswell ?
 
Brown_DOG68 said:
He is in denial. My respect for him has dropped.

"I don't think there's anything there that needs to be repaired." FM
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Yep. He's not changing a thing.

"We have a plan, and we just need to execute better."
"We are tough enough to be leading CP stat."
"8-3 suggests we're good enough".
On replacing Brown "we have blokes who can play that role, like Mackay and Douglas..."

I hope this is all just public rhetoric, but we all know it's not.
 

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