Mega Thread Don's Party - The future is so bright, we need some pizza and a piss-up

[CrowBloke]

Campo, Hart, Hass and Burton are the ones who need to go, big time.

This, absolutely this, but do they have the guts?
ALL were retained after the 2018 crap-show.

 

[Deaneus!]

Imagine how intimidating this would be as an outsider:
Hart
Mattner
Wright
Reilly
Burton
Clarke
Roo
Smart
Jamieson
Robran
Reid (connected)


Who would you sit with in the lunch room

You’re right

How many of these would we have to sack before people could trust us?

 

[CrowBloke]

What a balancing act these coaches must have to do. Don told us last year he didn’t know all the players, that’s why you had line coaches and this seemed to be the new coaching reality. I remember that surprised me at the time but then also remember young fellas at Brisbane saying they’d never actually met Voss so maybe not all that unusual. How can you put your team together if you don’t know all your players? You are trusting a line coach to put forward the best players for the role. How much of a say does the Director of Football have in selection? How much of a say does the Coach have? I mean, is Don actually happy to play a David Mackay and Richard Douglas ahead of the kids? Or are they played because their line coach puts them forward?

Apologies in advance for the length of my reply but it takes some explaining.

In therapy, it's the relationship between the therapist and the patient that creates trust and makes for progress and change (see eg https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21027.Love_s_Executioner_and_Other_Tales_of_Psychotherapy, which is a brilliant, enthralling read).
From personal experiences teaching Years 8 to 12, it's the relationship between the teacher and the students, individually and as a group, that makes for exciting and fun learning. I always went to a student's file for background info when needed and made every effort to watch them play sport or participate in school plays etc. Connecting with their parents made them valuable allies as well.
If Pyke has not made the effort to get to know his players, that's a serious problem. I regard his inability to stamp his authority by choosing his own assistants as a serious failure as well. Both Hardwick and Buckley took a good, long, hard look at themselves and their own roles in their teams' failures (= making themselves responsible and accountable), before re-appointing new assistants and rejuvenating their teams' performances.
Pyke strikes me as a decent bloke, but somewhat aloof, clinical and uninspiring. Where's his passion? Where's his happiness when we win and his disappointment when we lose? Where/when does he show that he accepts responsibility and makes himself accountable which would rub off on his players? Instead, he blamed the players for the 2017 GF loss and made sure they knew it was their fault, not his, by making them endure the ridiculous mumbo-jumbo of Collective Mindlessness. The message was: You stuffed up. We're going to mess with your heads so that you don't stuff up again.
It's escapist, blaming rubbish.
Our current team, Coach, and assistants are not in it together and BBQs won't fix it. Pyke has got to reach out to his players on an individual, face-to-face, personal level and relate to each one differently. It's those relationships that build teams, and winning teamwork.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Why would Teague come back here? Why would any coach?

The place is a superannuation safe house for retired Crows.

Teague isn’t one of the boys, neither was Francou.

Nathan Van berlo is really impressing at west coast? Favorite son?

 

[Tex200]

Nathan Van berlo is really impressing at west coast? Favorite son?

Why not - let’s get Goodwin back from Melb too.
Goodwin
VB
Hart
Mattner

Perfect

 

[Slippery Pete]

Honestly, if they want out, let em go.

Just let stars walk out hey. Don’t try and correct or improve the shit club they’re rightly walking out on. Just let them go, and continue on being shit. “Don’t let the door to the shithole hit you on the way out, fellas!”

That’ll show those bastards not to walk out on a shithole!!

The powers of your critical thinking just get better and better.

 

[dogs105]

Why would Teague come back here? Why would any coach?

The place is a superannuation safe house for retired Crows.

Teague isn’t one of the boys, neither was Francou.

If we hired him and it headed south, Bigfooty would soon label him boys club as an ex-assistant.

 

[Tex200]

If we hired him and it headed south, Bigfooty would soon label him boys club as an ex-assistant.

Right

 

[dogs105]

Right

I know.
Would love him to be hired.

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

Apologies in advance for the length of my reply but it takes some explaining.

In therapy, it's the relationship between the therapist and the patient that creates trust and makes for progress and change (see eg https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21027.Love_s_Executioner_and_Other_Tales_of_Psychotherapy, which is a brilliant, enthralling read).
From personal experiences teaching Years 8 to 12, it's the relationship between the teacher and the students, individually and as a group, that makes for exciting and fun learning. I always went to a student's file for background info when needed and made every effort to watch them play sport or participate in school plays etc. Connecting with their parents made them valuable allies as well.
If Pyke has not made the effort to get to know his players, that's a serious problem. I regard his inability to stamp his authority by choosing his own assistants as a serious failure as well. Both Hardwick and Buckley took a good, long, hard look at themselves and their own roles in their teams' failures (= making themselves responsible and accountable), before re-appointing new assistants and rejuvenating their teams' performances.
Pyke strikes me as a decent bloke, but somewhat aloof, clinical and uninspiring. Where's his passion? Where's his happiness when we win and his disappointment when we lose? Where/when does he show that he accepts responsibility and makes himself accountable which would rub off on his players? Instead, he blamed the players for the 2017 GF loss and made sure they knew it was their fault, not his, by making them endure the ridiculous mumbo-jumbo of Collective Mindlessness. The message was: You stuffed up. We're going to mess with your heads so that you don't stuff up again.
It's escapist, blaming rubbish.
Our current team, Coach, and assistants are not in it together and BBQs won't fix it. Pyke has got to reach out to his players on an individual, face-to-face, personal level and relate to each one differently. It's those relationships that build teams, and winning teamwork.

Your post fell apart when you referenced buckley and hardwick. They were given free rides by the afl. If the playing field was even, they would be out of a job.

 

[jenny61_99]

If your a head coach and you dont know all your players you should resign.
That speaks volumes of where this club is if true.

Sorry I didn't mean he doesn't know them at all (Unlike Voss), but that he didn't really know them. That the rigours of the job doesn't really allow them to truly get to know their players. I would think only those in the senior leadership group would spend enough time with him for him to know them.

 

[Doc_]

Teague certainly had our forward line humming.
If I'm not mistaken, he was a Walsh appointment?

 

[SaltPeter]

Does anyone know what the current status of coaching appointments, across all clubs, is atm?

I thought that the clubs had to finalise their coaching panels for 2020 this week? Or is it just a case of it happens, but no announcements are made until the end of the season? Alternatively, are assistants that will not be retained for the following season advised, and as previously, no announcement is made until the end of the season?

 

[Bovo]

This thread is more confusing than our game plan

Just to make sure I am accurately contributing. I dislike Port, Crows and Danger. Oh and i am a proud boo’er. Hope that covers everything

 

[SaltPeter]

This thread is more confusing than our game plan

Just to make sure I am accurately contributing. I dislike Port, Crows and Danger. Oh and i am a proud boo’er. Hope that covers everything

Yes .. somehow a heap of threads all got merged into this 1

 

[CrowBloke]

1) Your post fell apart when you referenced buckley and hardwick. 2) They were given free rides by the afl.

1) I referred to Hardwick and Buckley only wrt the changes they made internally after they came within a whisker of getting sacked. I thought both were going to be sacked.
2) The AFL did not hire or have the power to fire them.
If the 'free rides' you mean is about their MCG "home" games and playing finals at the G, I agree. It's crappy Vic. bias and nothing less.
The gist of my post was about Pyke's relationships with the players and the relationships within the team itself. Something is seriously wrong. They are playing like a disunited rabble, half-heartedly. Their low Kms-covered numbers reflect their being disheartened and uninspired.

 

[Tex Danger]

Teague certainly had our forward line humming.
If I'm not mistaken, he was a Walsh appointment?

he came to work under Phil Walsh.
In a radion interview on trade radio when leaving he specifically mentioned how he came to Adelaide t work under and learn from Phil walsh. It sounded like as soon as Walsh was no longer there to work under it was alway a matter of time before he left and to me was a real negative to our club.

Walsh always talked about developing assistants, giving them chance to grow etc by having roles in different areas (it was looked down upon here initially when teague was made forward coach given he was a defender and I think prev assistant roles were in different areas, but that was obviously part of the drawcard- Walsh identified him for his coaching ability and offered him a role to increase his exposure to learn from knowing that a quality coach would handle the situation).

Compare that to how stagnant our coaching ranks are. Yeah we moved Hart from Def to forward but that wasn't to progress his development or because we thought he was a great coach who could improve our forward line, that was to fit him in somewhere

 

[Cap]

Teague certainly had our forward line humming.
If I'm not mistaken, he was a Walsh appointment?

Who knows.

We have no way of telling what is fact and what is fiction.

The Walsh period has a lot more romance around it for many reasons, but what real impact there was is really debatable.

I still think we need to change the moniker for the board. It's been too ĺong.

 

[rezagun]

Sorry I didn't mean he doesn't know them at all (Unlike Voss), but that he didn't really know them. That the rigours of the job doesn't really allow them to truly get to know their players. I would think only those in the senior leadership group would spend enough time with him for him to know them.

That after 4 years in the job is not good enough. I cant believe you are actually making excuses for this flog. He continues to select incompetent footballers week after week and your excuse is he might not know them well enough. Thats bullshit. He as head coach has the power to select who he wants. Im a coach of juniors at a football club and i know every players name who their parents are, what school they go to and what their personalities are like. If you cant work any of that shit out in the first 2 years you are a dead set spud.

 

[jenny61_99]

That after 4 years in the job is not good enough. I cant believe you are actually making excuses for this flog. He continues to select incompetent footballers week after week and your excuse is he might not know them well enough. Thats bulls**t. He as head coach has the power to select who he wants. Im a coach of juniors at a football club and i know every players name who their parents are, what school they go to and what their personalities are like. If you cant work any of that s**t out in the first 2 years you are a dead set spud.

Ok... let me make this clear for you. This was at a breakfast here... so probably was early last year (so two seasons ago). The man is NOT a flog. He may not be your idea of a good coach, but he's not a flog. The discussion was based around how it works with all those line coaches (because obviously they are a relatively new thing to AFL). He thought they got to get to know the players on a different level than he did. As head coach he has expectations that he has to fulfil each week - media, meetings with line coaches, footy ops, medical guys, analysis of last weeks' game and analysis of the next week's opposition, as well as planning and running training sessions. There's not a whole lot of time for him to get in there and really get to know the players on an individual basis.

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

1) I referred to Hardwick and Buckley only wrt the changes they made internally after they came within a whisker of getting sacked. I thought both were going to be sacked.
2) The AFL did not hire or have the power to fire them.
If the 'free rides' you mean is about their MCG "home" games and playing finals at the G, I agree. It's crappy Vic. bias and nothing less.
The gist of my post was about Pyke's relationships with the players and the relationships within the team itself. Something is seriously wrong. They are playing like a disunited rabble, half-heartedly. Their low Kms-covered numbers reflect their being disheartened and uninspired.

Where would we be now, if the umpires in the 2017 gf were unbiased. I cant help but go back to 2017gf, when there was an arm wrestle in the second quarter, and we broke it when Betts was running onto a loose ball in the goal square. Umpires had a good view of Betts getting dragged off the loose ball. Richmond pretty well go straight down the field and get given a free kick in front of goal. That was the premiership play. Where would be now, we would of been off had Betts kicked that goal. Pyke said in the presser that the reason he didn't make positional changes was because the issue was player effort. He said, in those circumstances, you normally make it worse.

Was collective minds punishment for lack of effort?

Pyke is a buisnesman, cut his teeth in business before going coaching, is it a fair reflection of him, that business decisions don't get made or work in a coaching box. Is he to conservative?

Where would hardwick be, had we won that day. They exoected to win, home ground advantage, hadn't travelled in months. They should of got beat that day. To of lost would of hit hard, much like Melbournes horror prelim has done.

And where are we? We're scarred.

 

[Doc_]

Who knows.

We have no way of telling what is fact and what is fiction.

The Walsh period has a lot more romance around it for many reasons, but what real impact there was is really debatable.

I still think we need to change the moniker for the board. It's been too ĺong.

What moniker?

 

[MRB37]

Both Hardwick and Buckley took a good, long, hard look at themselves and their own roles in their teams' failures (= making themselves responsible and accountable), before re-appointing new assistants and rejuvenating their teams' performances.

Except in both those cases the boards signed off on thorough external reviews of the football department and then empowered both head coaches with what they needed to fix the identified issues.

We sound like we're doing everything possible to avoid doing that.

 

[SaltPeter]

Both Hardwick and Buckley took a good, long, hard look at themselves and their own roles in their teams' failures (= making themselves responsible and accountable), before re-appointing new assistants and rejuvenating their teams' performances.

They clean-out of assistant coaches around both of them was a result of recommendations that resulted from board appointed external reviews.

It certainly wasn't as a result of them taking time out for reflection and staring at fluff in their naval's ..

 

[Cap]

What moniker?

RiP Phil Walsh one on the AFC bigfooty board.