Strategy Draft assistance 2023 [Twomey: NMFC get #19 in 2023, x2 end of 1st rd picks in 2024, and x2 extra rookie list spots in 2024; no Sanders/#11]

[FlyHigh18]

IN'S
2015 : Mackay
2016 : Simpkin
2017 : LDU
2018: Thomas
2019: ----
2020 : Phillips, Powell
2021 :-JHF
2022 : Wardlaw Sheezel
2023 : 2,3,14,25
2024 : 5, 19, 20.

10 Years : Net 1st round picks : 14

After trade week, trading up, will end up 12

If they are counting JHF as two picks, then same goes when we compress them trading up....

12 x 1st rounders in 10 years.

everyone always so focused on who was recruited and if they failed or succeeded... but makes you wonder if the real culprit and driver is the development team.

 

[The Dingrel]

Khan was also a priority pick iirc

Look haven’t watched the Chris Scott interview but my mate read it to me . He does make some valid points , he is also out for himself.However,every other club in the same position has been compensated, regardless of what he thinks. So if Geelong ever get into this position according to Chris they won’t ask for any assistance, good to know . We don’t want to be where we are but if there is help available you take it. The game is compromised in many ways this draft assistance is just one of them.

Let’s looks at context. Under old father son rules Geelong paid pick 40 for Ablett. Then recieved 2 first round selections as comp when he left under free agency to join the suns. They’ve done more than alright out of Hawkins as father son. Yet where the afl has drawn the line in games played for club means we’ve missed out on Josh Kelly, The bray Shaw’s etc. how about injuries etc and how they impact games played. For argument sake a guy like Narni from memory fell just short of playing 100 in an injury plagued career. Great servant of the club almost part of Arden st folklore yet his son (if he has one) ineligible to join north. Chris Scott has his head conveniently up his ass

 

[big_e]

Updated list (AGAIN) from outwecome2play's original post and list >

• 1997 Pick #1 Travis Johnstone (Mel finished 16th with 4 wins)/Mel Pick #2 (Brad Ottens) to Freo for Jeff White who traded #2 to Rich for Chris Bond.
• 1999 Pick #1 Josh Fraser (Pies finished 16th with 4 wins/Coll trade #3(Aaron Fiora)& Clinton King for Steve McKee)
• 1999 Pick #2 Paul Hasleby (Freo finished 15th with 5 wins/Freo took Matthew Pavlich #4)
• 2000 Pick #1 Nick Riewoldt (StK finished 16th with 1 win/StK took Justin Koschitzke #2)
• 2001 Pick #1 Luke Hodge (Haw finished 6th, Freo finished 16th with 2 wins traded #1 for McPharlin/Freo took Graham Polak #4)
• 2001 Pick #2 Luke Ball (Stk finished 15th with 2 wins/StK took Xavier Clarke #5)
• 2001 Pick #3 Chris Judd (WCE finished 14th with 5wins/WCE took Ashley Sampi #6)
  2002 Carlton Priority Pick excluded due to salary cap breach
• 2003 Pick #1 Adam Cooney (WB finished 16th with 1 win/WB took Farren Ray #4)
• 2003 Pick #2 Andrew Walker (Carl finished 15th with 4 wins, ‘02 finished 16th with 3 wins – Carl banned 1st & 2nd Round (see 2002))
• 2003 Pick #3 Colin Sylvia (Mel finished 14th with 5 wins/Mel took Brock McLean #5)
• 2004 Pick #1 Brett Deledio (Rich finished 16th with 4 wins/Rich took Richard Tambling #4)
• 2004 Pick #2 Jarry Roughead (Haw finished 15th with 4 wins/Haw took Lance Franklin #5)
• 2004 Pick #3 Ryan Griffen (WB finished 14th with 5 wins/WB took Tom Williams #6)
• 2005 Pick #1 Marc Murphy (Carl finished 16th with 4 wins/Carl took Josh Kennedy #4)
• 2005 Pick #2 Dale Thomas (Pies finished 15th with 5 wins/Coll took Scott Pendlebury #5)
• 2005 Pick #3 Xavier Ellis (Haw finished 14th with 5 wins/Haw tool Beau Dowler #6)
  2006 Priority Pick Rule Adjustment
• 2006 Pick #17 Shaun Hampson (Carl finished 16th with 3 wins/ Carl took Bryce Gibbs #1)
• 2006 Pick #18 Leroy Jetta (Ess finished 15th on % with 3 wins/ Ess took Scott Gumbleton #2)
• 2007 Pick #1 Matthew Kruezer (Carl finished 15th with 4 wins after ’06 finished 16th with 3 wins & ’05 finished 16th with 4 wins).
• 2007 Pick #18 Alex Rance (Rich finished 16th with 3 wins/Rich took Trent Cotchin #2).
• 2008 Pick #17 Sam Blease (Mel finished 16th with 3 wins/Mel took Jack Watts #1).
• 2008 Pick #18 Luke Shuey (WCE finished 16th with 4 wins/WCE took Nic Naitanui #2).
• 2009 Pick #1 Tom Scully (Mel finished 16th with 4 wins, ’08 finished 16th with 3 wins/Mel took Jack Trengrove #2.)
  Gold Coast enter draft with concessions - Picks #1,2,3,7,9,10,11,13 (#5,25,27 & Rohan Bewick traded to Bris/GC receive Jared Brennan #10 &#48)(GC Pick #15 (Billy Smedts) to Geel for Mid 1st Round Compo)
• 2010 GC picks in order (see above) – David Swallow, Harley Bennell, Sam Day, Josh Caddy, Dion Prestia, Daniel Gorringe, Tom Lynch, Seb Tape.
• 2010 Pick #26 Jack Darling (WCE finished 16th with 4 wins/WCE took Andrew Gaff #4).
  GWS enter draft with concessions – Picks #1,2,3,5,7,9,11,13 &15 (#15 & Steven Morris traded to Rich/GWS receive #14)
  (GC traded Pick #4+Comp pick 1st Rd/GWS receive Mini-draft Pick#1 & Pick 31.)
  (GWS receive #10 & Comp pick 1st Rd/Adel receive Luke Brown & Mini-Draft Pick #2)
• 2011 GWS picks in order (see above) – Jon Patton, Stephen Coniglio, Dom Tyson, Will Hoskin-Elliot, Matt Butine, Nick Haynes, Adam Tomlinson, Liam Sumner, Toby Greene, Taylor Adams, Devon Smith.
• 2011 Mini-Draft #1 – Jaeger O’Meara (GC)
• 2011 Mini-Draft #2 – Brad Crouch (Adel)
• 2011 Pick #27 Sam Kerridge (Adel receive GC PP via pick trades)
• 2011 Pick #28 Fraser McInnes (Port trade PP &49 for WCE Brad Ebert & pick 45/Port took Chad Wingard #6 after finishing 16th with 3 wins)
• 2011 Pick #29 Alex Forster (Bris PP used in pick swaps)
  2012 End of Gold Coast Concessions.
  2012 Priority Pick Rule Adjustment.
• 2012 #1-3 GWS, Lachie Whitfield, Jon O’Rourke, Lachie Plowman.
• 2012 Mini-Draft #1 – Jack Martin (GC).
• 2012 Mini-Draft #2 – Jesse Hogan (Melb).
• 2013 Pick #1 & #2 Tom Boyd, Josh Kelly (GWS concession).
  2014 End of GWS Concessions
• 2016 Pick #21 Will Hayward (Syd acquired Brisbane Priority Pick 19 in a trade Bris - Pick 19 plus Future 1st for Pearce Handley via pick swaps which Syd acquire Bris original pick 19 (now 21).
  Gold Coast Assistance Package – 2019 #1, #20; 2020 Mid 1st Round + Pre Draft Selections, 2021 first pick in 2nd round.
  Ability to pre-sign GC adademy players for 3 years.
  Increase in Rookie List up to 10 players for 3 years.
• 2019 Pick #1 Matt Rowell
• 2019 Pick #22 Deven Robertson Bris via trade of original GC PP #19(22) in pick swap deals which resulted in GC moving up for Pick#11 Sam Flanders
• 2019 Pre Listed – Connor Budarick & Matt Conroy
• 2020 Pick #15 Connor Stone GWS after GC traded PP 1st Rounder to Gee in 2019, after pick swaps this landed to GWS.
• 2020 Pre Draft Selections – Alex Davies & Joel Jeffrey.
• 2021 Pick#21 Matthew Johnson Freo, GC traded PP 2nd round to Freo.
  End of GC Assistance Package
• 2022 *Priority Pick Assistances NMFC – 2nd Round pick to sign Logue and 3rd Round pick to sign Tucker both from Freo – assistance priority picks cannot be traded and must be used, no effect to draft order.
• 2023 NMFC Assistance Package – Pick #19, future 2024 pick 19+20 and 2x rookie spots (AFL to review based on NMFC 2024 performance).

Worth noting access to picks as well

• Melbourne - 3 picks, made GF in 2000 with Johnstone
• Hawthorn - 3 picks, 2001, 2004, 2005, GF wins in 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 with this core
• Collingwood - 2 picks, GF win/draw in 2010 & 2011 (loss) with Thomas and Fraser
• Richmond - 1 pick, 243 games & Future club captain
• Carlton, 3 picks, 658 games and counting
• St. Kilda - 2 picks, 478 games
• West Coast - Chris ******* Judd

*2010 to 2013 is really confusing with GC and GWS cocessions.

Priority picks go back further than that.

1995: Fitzroy (Pick 2) - Matthew Primus
1994: Sydney (Picks 2, 3 and 20) - Anthony Rocca, Shannon Grant and Stuart Mangin
1993: Sydney (Picks 1, 4 and 20) - Darren Gaspar, Glenn Gorman and Wade Chapman;
1993: Brisbane (Picks 2 and 21) - Nigel Lappin and Shane Hodges
1993: Richmond (Pick 3) - Justin Murphy
1992: Sydney (Pick 1) - Traded to West Coast, who selected Drew Banfield
1992: Sydney (Pick 3) - Traded to Essendon, who selected Michael Prior
1992: Brisbane (Picks 2 and 4) - Nathan Chapman and Justin Leppitsch

Draftguru.com.au is your friend.

 

[Roostorm]

Could she possibly be sleeping with the people leaking all this info ?

That thought Hoju just gives me chills …..iiiikk

 

[Bertie22]

Let’s looks at context. Under old father son rules Geelong paid pick 40 for Ablett. Then recieved 2 first round selections as comp when he left under free agency to join the suns. They’ve done more than alright out of Hawkins as father son. Yet where the afl has drawn the line in games played for club means we’ve missed out on Josh Kelly, The bray Shaw’s etc. how about injuries etc and how they impact games played. For argument sake a guy like Narni from memory fell just short of playing 100 in an injury plagued career. Great servant of the club almost part of Arden st folklore yet his son (if he has one) ineligible to join north. Chris Scott has his head conveniently up his ass

In Geelong's case, being able to pay so little in draft terms for the first round quality father/sons available to them, it effectively gave them another first rounder. Not only did they get Ablett at 40, it meant that they could use their first round pick on... Jimmy Bartel. Hawkins went at 41 allowing them to draft Joel Sellwood at 7. A pretty good hand.

 

[The Dingrel]

In Geelong's case, being able to pay so little in draft terms for the first round quality father/sons available to them, it effectively gave them another first rounder. Not only did they get Ablett at 40, it meant that they could use their first round pick on... Jimmy Bartel. Hawkins went at 41 allowing them to draft Joel Sellwood at 7. A pretty good hand.

Yup they’ve had the best of draft assistance. Father son, PPS calls it what you will. Chris Scott was and always will be little more than a grubby school yard bully.

 

[shinboner magic]

Let’s face it the media would have still had a go at us even if we received no priority picks.
We just need to make these picks count and shoot up the ladder then laugh at each ****wit.

 

[Deleted member 98541]

'Media' said we weren't even entitled to pick 1 for the 7 days we held it.

 

[Ashley B]

Priority picks have pretty much always been around and will be too for circumstances like ours , regardless of what certain people say . If the Cats were in same the position and there was assistance available does Chris think they wouldn’t apply lol. Wonder if he would be this dramatic if his brother was still at our club. Vic clubs always go harder on opposition when it’s another Vic club as they are competing in the same region too, plus it’s us as well. The little team that used to embarrass everyone, they don’t want us doing that again.

 

[Mute Point]

Question for those in the know. What would a realistic explanation be if we packaged up the 3 selections we got yesterday & used them for a pick this year?

 

[Shermanator]

Question for those in the know. What would a realistic explanation be if we packaged up the 3 selections we got yesterday & used them for a pick this year?

Would love to package up 2, F19 and F20 to get Harley.

Not only for his incredible footy ability but more so for when he wins the RS, Chas and Norm Smith that we can ring in to Corne Francis and the Haggis woman from Talking Dribble and tell them we got Harley through AFL assistance

 

[ohmygewd]

Priority picks go back further than that.

1995: Fitzroy (Pick 2) - Matthew Primus
1994: Sydney (Picks 2, 3 and 20) - Anthony Rocca, Shannon Grant and Stuart Mangin
1993: Sydney (Picks 1, 4 and 20) - Darren Gaspar, Glenn Gorman and Wade Chapman;
1993: Brisbane (Picks 2 and 21) - Nigel Lappin and Shane Hodges
1993: Richmond (Pick 3) - Justin Murphy
1992: Sydney (Pick 1) - Traded to West Coast, who selected Drew Banfield
1992: Sydney (Pick 3) - Traded to Essendon, who selected Michael Prior
1992: Brisbane (Picks 2 and 4) - Nathan Chapman and Justin Leppitsch

Draftguru.com.au is your friend.

Yep understand that but l was working off an original posters list that started in 1997...l find that early to mid 90's draft wasn't taken as serious as it would become by the end of the century when salary cap rule got tighter and tighter.

 

[KangaRooster]

Would love to package up 2, F19 and F20 to get Harley.

Not only for his incredible footy ability but more so for when he wins the RS, Chas and Norm Smith that we can ring in to Corne Francis and the Haggis woman from Talking Dribble and tell them we got Harley through AFL assistance

Needs to be #14 Sherm, so that JHF’s departure netted us Wardlaw and Reid.

 

[big_e]

Yep understand that but l was working off an original posters list that started in 1997...l find that early to mid 90's draft wasn't taken as serious as it would become by the end of the century when salary cap rule got tighter and tighter.

The Wikipedia list that everyone uses starts in 1997, and only includes first-rounders, I think. No idea why, perhaps it's in need of an update.

Maybe 2 + 2 = 5, but it looks like the AFL introduced PPs to try to get Sydney and Brisbane off the bottom when they were both terrible in the early 90s.

 

[The Dingrel]

Would love to package up 2, F19 and F20 to get Harley.

Not only for his incredible footy ability but more so for when he wins the RS, Chas and Norm Smith that we can ring in to Corne Francis and the Haggis woman from Talking Dribble and tell them we got Harley through AFL assistance

Nah, wardlaw wins it next year. Sheezel said so and everything that boy says and does makes sense. Agree we should be trading them out this year. The “subject to review” sounds like the afl is encouraging us to do so.

 

[Premieroos]

Absolutely. We really should have foreseen that a mysterious virus out of China would lead to a worldwide pandemic, impacting the Under 18 talent leagues and the ability of recruiters to track the development of players when we traded out of the 2019 draft.

Just look at the 2019 draft crop, some of those players would be seriously handy to have. It was simply an unneccesary risk that blew up in our faces.

 

[ohmygewd]

The Wikipedia list that everyone uses starts in 1997, and only includes first-rounders, I think. No idea why, perhaps it's in need of an update.

Maybe 2 + 2 = 5, but it looks like the AFL introduced PPs to try to get Sydney and Brisbane off the bottom when they were both terrible in the early 90s.

Probably right!!1 I mean Port were still allowed a zone pre 1997 which nabbed Peter Burgoyne, Stuart Dew, Warren Tredrea, Brendon Lade and Josh Francou, possibly others....might update Wikipedia

 

[buttsauce]

Whateley plays Gil's audio from last night then says he hates the 'wink and nudge' aspect of priority picks.

Why didn't you say that to Gil last night????????

He couldn’t talk last night with Gil’s hoss in his mouth.

 

[Roostorm]

Probably right!!1 I mean Port were still allowed a zone pre 1997 which nabbed Peter Burgoyne, Stuart Dew, Warren Tredrea, Brendon Lade and Josh Francou, possibly others....might update Wikipedia

Oh please please please do…and then post link here…that list is absolutely glorious

 

[justroyal]

Funny how no one is calling Brisbane ‘embarrassing’ after their PP and assistance request. And they’re playing in a gf. Crazy

 

[discodaddy]

Come Saturday night BF must surely go into meltdown after the newly crowed premiers walk away with….. a first round draft pick. The outrage!

Hmm - maybe that won’t actually happen as it's an inconvenient truth that every team gets a first round draft pick every year. So yeah, screw North and their outrageous (possible) 12 R1 picks in 10 years…

 

[glenn2479]

Slobbo was absolutely filthy that Geraldo snuck off with Gill and the cool kids to party on after the Chas last night (probably in the Crown Penthouse) and left him on the Craps table with the battlers..

Geraldo is like a fanboi when Gill is in the house, just mesmerised with his every word… *en nerd turd..

Sounded like Gerard was just there to keep an eye on his wife and Gil

 

[Gasometer]

Omg he we go again on Wednesday night Footy Classified

Right now

 

[Gasometer]

Does Damo even North Melbourne?

 

[krakouers]

Does Damo even North Melbourne?

Imagine he uses other teams to “self pleasure”