Rumour Draft Rumours 2024 - No rumours allowed

[Obeanie1]

You must know something that neither the herald sun, or the theage does not know

Because both predict Tauru will go at Pick 2, or you are just exercising some wishful thinking

Which one is it ?

He knows what everyone knows.

Tauru at pick 2 is a massivr reach. Hence why they want to split pick 2.

 

[Obeanie1]

100%, he will be a fair way off this year

Twomey bases his phantom on what clubs are saying and needs more so than rankings.

 

[blaisee]

He knows what everyone knows.

Tauru at pick 2 is a massivr reach. Hence why they want to split pick 2.

so its wishful thinking

 

[Rich o man]

Hypothetical scenario to try and understand the machinations between clubs when trying to do a deal on draft night.

Pick 10 about to occur and Richmond still hold picks 10 and 11
Tauru and Amstrong still on the table
North want Tauru
Richmond want Armstrong

North approach Richmond and offer
F1 and F3 for Pick 10

Richmond will only do the deal if they know North won’t pick Armstrong,
Would North put their hand on their heart and tell Richmond they are taking Tauru?

Side note, if it was Essendon from past years you wouldn’t trust anything that came from D.

 

[LB2Snake]

I think the view on Dusty's u18 career is being a little retrospectively obscured. Dusty had some very well publicised weaknesses which he really didn't overcome until well into his senior career - in particular his tank. He also wasn't great at defensive pressure and was pretty slow - which he never really fixed!

If Dusty was such an accomplished player at 17 - why the hell did the demons pass on him twice?? What a monumental fk up by the demons! Why would they pass on a player with all those attributes and no weakness for a running machine and then a good solid player - it makes no sense. I think in reality melbourne saw the weaknesses in dusty and went for the low risk options. They certainly didn't see the potential for an all time great - even when they had scope and perfect opportunity to take at least one risk out of the 2.

BTW - I've dug up an old draft profile for dusty - https://afldraftinfo.blogspot.com/2009/10/dustin-martin-bendigo-pioneersvic.html - doesn't scream 'he was always going to be an all-time great' to me.

Yeah I remember the whole year, on that Weekly Draft show, which i think Hutchy hosted, or someone like that, that was on ch 7 on Sunday's after FS, Dusty was always rated at pick 5. I know this is, as we were projected to be pick 5 for most of the year, so was always looking who we'd get.

 

[Wild Bill]

Hypothetical scenario to try and understand the machinations between clubs when trying to do a deal on draft night.

Pick 10 about to occur and Richmond still hold picks 10 and 11
Tauru and Amstrong still on the table
North want Tauru
Richmond want Armstrong

North approach Richmond and offer
F1 and F3 for Pick 10

Richmond will only do the deal if they know North won’t pick Armstrong,
Would North put their hand on their heart and tell Richmond they are taking Tauru?

Side note, if it was Essendon from past years you wouldn’t trust anything that came from D.

Just take Armstrong at 10 and give us 11. Problem solved.

 

[G String]

When you look at the dusty draft there are lots of similarities to this years draft. Lots of depth - lots of mids, really light on for talls at the top - but a few good ones later on. There was lots of diversity in the mids - some banker low risk mids and some risky high ceiling type, some with clear deficiencies but big strengths like Cunnington and Rohan. No clear number 1 or ranking in general - lots of different opinions on the order. I think Morabito was the one that could've been anything but a bit of a risk at the time. There was good value all the way into the 30s.

 

[sr36]

He knows what everyone knows.

Tauru at pick 2 is a massivr reach. Hence why they want to split pick 2.

It's not a massive reach, he's a really exciting prospect. The early mids aren't as cast iron locks to be top line mids as people are assuming, but if they could trade down a few spots and get a decent pick for it, it'd be good for them - not looking likely though.

 

[T4P]

I think the view on Dusty's u18 career is being a little retrospectively obscured. Dusty had some very well publicised weaknesses which he really didn't overcome until well into his senior career - in particular his tank. He also wasn't great at defensive pressure and was pretty slow - which he never really fixed!

If Dusty was such an accomplished player at 17 - why the hell did the demons pass on him twice?? What a monumental fk up by the demons! Why would they pass on a player with all those attributes and no weakness for a running machine and then a good solid player - it makes no sense. I think in reality melbourne saw the weaknesses in dusty and went for the low risk options. They certainly didn't see the potential for an all time great - even when they had scope and perfect opportunity to take at least one risk out of the 2.

BTW - I've dug up an old draft profile for dusty - https://afldraftinfo.blogspot.com/2009/10/dustin-martin-bendigo-pioneersvic.html - doesn't scream 'he was always going to be an all-time great' to me.

'Genuinely dual sided kick' is a laugh, even in his peak years he would actively avoid kicking on his left, even if it meant it was a harder kick.

 

[T4P]

Just take Armstrong at 10 and give us 11. Problem solved.

Yeah didn't really seem like a problem hey

 

[T4P]

Twomey bases his phantom on what clubs are saying and needs more so than rankings.

And clubs aren't saying much this year.

Even if there are no trades, I think he will be not as accurate as other years

 

[sr36]

I think the view on Dusty's u18 career is being a little retrospectively obscured. Dusty had some very well publicised weaknesses which he really didn't overcome until well into his senior career - in particular his tank. He also wasn't great at defensive pressure and was pretty slow - which he never really fixed!

If Dusty was such an accomplished player at 17 - why the hell did the demons pass on him twice?? What a monumental fk up by the demons! Why would they pass on a player with all those attributes and no weakness for a running machine and then a good solid player - it makes no sense. I think in reality melbourne saw the weaknesses in dusty and went for the low risk options. They certainly didn't see the potential for an all time great - even when they had scope and perfect opportunity to take at least one risk out of the 2.

BTW - I've dug up an old draft profile for dusty - https://afldraftinfo.blogspot.com/2009/10/dustin-martin-bendigo-pioneersvic.html - doesn't scream 'he was always going to be an all-time great' to me.

Slow?

Here's the testing from his combine:

2009 AFL Draft Camp Test Results

He was a very accomplished player, there weren't on-field question marks, but he'd dropped out of school in year 9 and was a seen as a loose canon off-field. He went pick 3 despite there being big concerns about his ability to cut it in a professional environment. He was quite simply a risk, despite being everything you'd want on-field.

Of course no one comes out of under 18s always going to be an all time great. Just saying that like Petracca, he came out of the carnival with both outstanding explosive attributes and excellent performance. This top end have either outstanding attributes or excellent performance - none of them have both. The guys likely to go 1 and 2 this year have outstanding attributes but neither starred at champs - neither made the AA team - but also neither of them are as likely to go off the rails as a young Dusty was.

 

[bobs head soup]

Busslinger. Forgot all about him bobs head soup ……have you seen him play VFL ? Looked a very exciting prospect when drafted.

He's going to be a good player.

His 2023 was a write off due to shoulder surgery meaning no preseason and missing a good chunk of the season.

Was still physically underdeveloped this year and started slow. By the end of the year, he was showing his qualities. Reads the ball in flight very well, positions well, good hands, lovely user. Still needs to get stronger.

Needs a big preseason, but should be pushing hard to be in the AFL team early in 2025.

 

[Coach_Required]

A question for Richmond supporters, given your gluttony of first round picks, is there any players likely to go in the first round that you would hate for Richmond to pick up?

FOS & Travaglia

 

[Coach_Required]

Hypothetical scenario to try and understand the machinations between clubs when trying to do a deal on draft night.

Pick 10 about to occur and Richmond still hold picks 10 and 11
Tauru and Amstrong still on the table
North want Tauru
Richmond want Armstrong

North approach Richmond and offer
F1 and F3 for Pick 10

Richmond will only do the deal if they know North won’t pick Armstrong,
Would North put their hand on their heart and tell Richmond they are taking Tauru?

Side note, if it was Essendon from past years you wouldn’t trust anything that came from D.

Why wouldnt Richmond just offer pick 11? It is our picks afterall.

 

[Red Bull]

Something that will be really fascinating will be which way we go with not only 8- which seems extremely likely to be traded- but also 7, if the 6 “prime mids” all go in the top 6.
The elite looking midfield talent will be gone, so there could be lots of ways we could go after that.

That magnificent victory by the saints over Carlton’s reserves in the last round could prove very costly.
They would have held picks 5&6 in the draft to access these “prime mids” but the win see’s them now holding 7&8.
Not quite in the same stratosphere as Clarkson handing the Eagles Harley Reid in the final round but a solid effort from Ross nonetheless …

 

[Obeanie1]

FOS & Travaglia

I really hope the Tigers list manager agrees with you on Travagalia.

100% would love him at the Eagles.

Feel you are seriously inderrating him.

 

[Obeanie1]

so its wishful thinking

Wishful or based on actual industry rankings?

What is your view based on?

 

[blaisee]

Wishful or based on actual industry rankings?

What is your view based on?

I am not ITK, I am reporting journos views

 

[saintmike65]

I really hope the Tigers list manager agrees with you on Travagalia.

100% would love him at the Eagles.

Feel you are seriously inderrating him.

Both FOS & Travaglia will be terrific players

 

[the big lebowski]

I am not ITK, I am reporting journos views

That’s your 1st mistake.

You’re reporting click bait

 

[Sphynx]

The only reason Dusty went at Pick 3 was because he was the son of a bickie

Dusty tested well in endurance and speed, but built his tank over the years

It was the off field stuff that was a question mark, both Scully and Trengrove where choirboys in comparison

No that's rewriting history, it was because Scully completely dominated for 2 straight seasons, was a dual AA and clearly considered the #1 player of that pool at the time.

Trengove starred at senior SANFL level, including BOG in the Prelim. A lot of weight was placed on that.

Dusty was never considered the #1 pick that year.

In fact, I'd argue he was discussed more in the Morabito and Cunnington group than the Scully/Trengove group.

 

[saintmike65]

I agree, I think clubs will give him a list of players they are looking at, now it might only be a short list but everyone is under lock & key so spouting to Cal goes against everything the clubs have done so far, he will get some right but if he nails this draft I'll be gobsmacked.

Twomey would get intel from player managers also

 

[saintmike65]

What player are you referring to.

Smilie or Jagga perhaps?

 

[saintmike65]

It will be an interesting one that. He’s said all the right things about wanting to stay at North, but then at the same time he hasn’t backed it up with a signature, so you’d have to think he’s somewhat gettable. I guess a lot of it will come down to how North are tracking.

If they’re significantly better than they have been in recent years, I expect he’ll stay, but if they for whatever reason are still around that 3-4 win mark, and sub 70 percentage, he could very well walk.

North just need to show significant improvement, which they should coming off a low base, for LDU to stay put!