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[LB2Snake]

yep, love both of those players, I like Wardlaw more which is sort of weird as Sheezel is the 'goregous' pick for most. Feel Wardlaw will be even better

Wardlaw just has to not kill himself with his attack on man and ball....that's what will stop him being "awesome awesome" IMO

 

[LukeParkerno1]

That depends how much difference in potential they see between Tauru and someone like Matt Whitlock or Jonty Faull.

No one is giving up a top 20 pick this year for Norths F1.

People actually think North's midfield is complete. I'd love to know apart from the one that drafted last year (McKercher)who are their 'class' ones, Sheezel can't play everywhere. We know they have the insides in Wardlaw etc. Wouldn't a FOS be something different to what they have?

Someone will hand over a pick in the late teens for norths f1, who dont know maybe it's GWS or someone like that

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Wardlaw just has to not kill himself with his attack on man and ball....that's what will stop him being "awesome awesome" IMO

Works for Cripps and a few of those over the years, reminds me a bit of a few players I love

 

[LB2Snake]

I’ve always believed if you had a strong set of leaders at the club, you’d be ok regardless of your position.
These are the President, CEO, Coach and Captain.

If the first two have a clearly defined long term strategy with a roadmap on how to get there on and off the field that’s the most important piece.

Then they have faith in the plan of the coach and put the right support behind him. This includes development, list management and recruiting as well as conditioning.

And then there’s the need for a strong captain to drive the playing culture within the group to set standards and hold the players to account as well as most importantly create buy in.

Do the right thing as per the above, and the rest works itself out.

You’d question whether all of this is in place now, as I think that’s a key determinant of your future success.

It certainly wasn’t when JHF and TT were doing their thing. Hopefully it’s changed enough for LDU to put pen to paper long term.

LDU ain't going anywhere IMO. I'm pretty happy with the Pres and the Coach. The other 2 pieces ares till a wait and see. I'd be making Parker captain, for what it's worth. Transitioning to Harry.

 

[sr36]

People actually think North's midfield is complete. I'd love to know apart from the one that drafted last year (McKercher)who are their 'class' ones, Sheezel can't play everywhere. We know they have the insides in Wardlaw etc. Wouldn't a FOS be something different to what they have?

Someone will hand over a pick in the late teens for norths f1, who dont know maybe it's GWS or someone like that

LDU, Wardlaw and Sheezel is going to be an awesome centre square - need someone playing a more defenisve role with them rather than a top liner.

 

[sr36]

Beautifully argued, it's like you are channeling Blair. But, 10 and 18 for pick 2? I think we'll pass.

I also don't buy this Smillie talk. If they had 1, 2 and 6, I doubt Richmond take 3 mids. It's really the first year of a major rebuild and you will get access to better mids than this year's crop over the next couple of years. Pick 6 looks a safe spot to take your favourite tall, possibly the player you are luring us into trading back to get.

I'd be taking Tauru at 6 if he is still there and I was the Tiges - but I rate Reid and Allan as being as likely as the mids set to go in the top 5.

 

[marcmurphy3]

LDU, Wardlaw and Sheezel is going to be an awesome centre square - need someone playing a more defenisve role with them rather than a top liner.

I remember an article a few years ago about the perfect midfield mix. It says your ideal main 4 includes an explosive mid, a classy type, a running machine and an extractor. I reckon North have those 4 right now.

Explosive: LDU
Extractor: Wardlaw
Classy: Sheezel
Running Machine: Mckercher

 

[LukeParkerno1]

LDU, Wardlaw and Sheezel is going to be an awesome centre square - need someone playing a more defenisve role with them rather than a top liner.

They still need some class, McKercher is one. FOS on the other end would be literally perfect.

 

[tiger_tough]

People actually think North's midfield is complete. I'd love to know apart from the one that drafted last year (McKercher)who are their 'class' ones, Sheezel can't play everywhere. We know they have the insides in Wardlaw etc. Wouldn't a FOS be something different to what they have?

Someone will hand over a pick in the late teens for norths f1, who dont know maybe it's GWS or someone like that

LDU, Simpkin, McKercher, Sheezel, Wardlaw is a pretty damn good midfield mix. Then they've got Goater and Duursma in waiting. Who are their quality KPFs? Larkey? Depends what they want more I guess - best available KPP even if it means reaching, or adding another blue chip mid and hoping to find a quality KPF with pick 20+.

GWS' pick 16 will still end up pick 19 probably, and by then Tauru, Shanahan, J Whitlock and Armstrong are all likely off the board.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I remember an article a few years ago about the perfect midfield mix. It says your ideal main 4 includes an explosive mid, a classy type, a running machine and an extractor. I reckon North have those 4 right now.

Explosive: LDU
Extractor: Wardlaw
Classy: Sheezel
Running Machine: Mckercher

You need more than one of the last two the way the game has gone lately, it's all about delivery into 50 and out of 50. Turnovers are king the way the game has gone

 

[LukeParkerno1]

LDU, Simpkin, McKercher, Sheezel, Wardlaw is a pretty damn good midfield mix. Then they've got Goater and Duursma in waiting. Who are their quality KPFs? Larkey? Depends what they want more I guess - best available KPP even if it means reaching, or adding another blue chip mid and hoping to find a quality KPF with pick 20+.

GWS' pick 16 will still end up pick 19 probably, and by then Tauru, Shanahan, J Whitlock and Armstrong are all likely off the board.

They have more talls than you think it's not as dire as many think, yes they have some mids but the worst thing a club can do is reach at the pointy end, it's just asking for trouble. They can trade their futures into this year for teens picks, no way all of those are off the board by then. Who needs talls that are picking above GWS, Richmond are one (maybe), who else? Saints won't, Melbourne won't. Surely the Dogs don't they have too many as it is.

 

[Choogler]

Don’t care. We got a lot of 1st round talent in the last few years. Tigers are where we were in 2020.

I would rather quality than quantity and just bring in FOS or Lalor.

Except doing it themselves without begging for assistance picks... as it should be!

 

[Rich01]

I remember an article a few years ago about the perfect midfield mix. It says your ideal main 4 includes an explosive mid, a classy type, a running machine and an extractor. I reckon North have those 4 right now.

Explosive: LDU
Extractor: Wardlaw
Classy: Sheezel
Running Machine: Mckercher

Yep, I’d argue their midfield is complete.

I like the mix of players and styles you put up there. Agree think you need a balance and it’s there.

I wonder how they would they go against a more lopsided mix in…

Explosive: LDU
Explosive: Reid
Explosive: JHF
Classy: Sheezel

 

[sr36]

I remember an article a few years ago about the perfect midfield mix. It says your ideal main 4 includes an explosive mid, a classy type, a running machine and an extractor. I reckon North have those 4 right now.

Explosive: LDU
Extractor: Wardlaw
Classy: Sheezel
Running Machine: Mckercher

I think they're stacked too, but I think it's shifted a bit with the focus moving from winning the most clearances to being the most effective from clearance. I think you want a pro who sponges up the opposition's attempts to go out the front of the pack. THe Cotchin role. I think that's what Parker will be doing for them this year.

 

[marcmurphy3]

You need more than one of the last two the way the game has gone lately, it's all about delivery into 50 and out of 50. Turnovers are king the way the game has gone

Yeah, I mean some of those players cross over so it's not a perfect science. Both Sheezel and McKercher are classy ball users. Wardlaw is also explosive and LDU can also extract.

Just a high-level example of how they have a great midfield mix.

 

[LB2Snake]

They have more talls than you think it's not as dire as many think, yes they have some mids but the worst thing a club can do is reach at the pointy end, it's just asking for trouble. They can trade their futures into this year for teens picks, no way all of those are off the board by then. Who needs talls that are picking above GWS, Richmond are one (maybe), who else? Saints won't, Melbourne won't. Surely the Dogs don't they have too many as it is.

Mate you aren't playing along enough to the Richmond them song enough in here.

"North need to trade their F1 for pick 20+..." is the new normal.

 

[4tune8]

LDU, Wardlaw and Sheezel is going to be an awesome centre square - need someone playing a more defenisve role with them rather than a top liner.

Seems like a lot here are sleeping on Tom Powell. Should be transitioning to a full time mid this year, bloke has some weapons.

 

[perplexed]

I remember an article a few years ago about the perfect midfield mix. It says your ideal main 4 includes an explosive mid, a classy type, a running machine and an extractor. I reckon North have those 4 right now.

Explosive: LDU
Extractor: Wardlaw
Classy: Sheezel
Running Machine: Mckercher

We have enough top end talent in the middle, but we need more depth and two-way runners, but these can be role players, they don't need to come at the top of the draft.

 

[tiger_tough]

They have more talls than you think it's not as dire as many think, yes they have some mids but the worst thing a club can do is reach at the pointy end, it's just asking for trouble. They can trade their futures into this year for teens picks, no way all of those are off the board by then. Who needs talls that are picking above GWS, Richmond are one (maybe), who else? Saints won't, Melbourne won't. Surely the Dogs don't they have too many as it is.

GWS could pick one with their 1st. We will. Port a fair chance. Essendon could if they manage to trade back in after Kako bid.

Someone would likely snap up Tauru in top 10 if North don't with pick 2.

 

[Rich01]

Mate you aren't playing along enough to the Richmond them song enough in here.

"North need to trade their F1 for pick 20+..." is the new normal.

I’m not sure that’s what people are saying. There seems to be a general sentiment here that North has a strong draft hand with pick two this year and their future picks next year.

What muddies the waters is Rawlings statements that he’s open to trading down from 2 or back into the draft using future picks.

The argument from some here is that that may not be in your best interests based on what you may get in return for them this year.

Some North fans are claiming their midfield isn’t complete. If that’s the case it makes no sense to trade down this year. Just pick the best available.

But Brady’s comments seem to indicate that they might be looking at an alternative.

 

[sr36]

They have more talls than you think it's not as dire as many think, yes they have some mids but the worst thing a club can do is reach at the pointy end, it's just asking for trouble. They can trade their futures into this year for teens picks, no way all of those are off the board by then. Who needs talls that are picking above GWS, Richmond are one (maybe), who else? Saints won't, Melbourne won't. Surely the Dogs don't they have too many as it is.

Reaching is a myth built from the false idea that there is a clear consensus hierarchy of talent amongst the experts. Made to seem real because the actual experts on the draft cohort don't publish their phantoms - those published tend to be built from a few knowledgeable people and are very similar because they're relying on each others intel.

North will take whoever they think will be the best player for them

 

[richoatthedisco]

They can just take 2 62 and 70 whatever (which will come in after passes).

Yeah, they can. But they shouldn't. And they won't.

Rawlings is telling the media he's open to doing a deal with 2/F1. He's telling other clubs, "Let's do a deal." He wants to do a deal. He just hasn't found one he likes yet.

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Maybe their F1 and our F2 change hands.

Adelaide would have to be desperate for pick 2. I think it's more likely they use their F3s to get an F2 from Gold Coast to give you.

Surely if North need another pick, they can trade their F2 to Essendon for one of 28/31? And surely if they rate FOS/Draper/Lalor significantly above Tauru, but recognise a need for a KPD, they can then take said KPD with pick 28/31?

This 'North have painted themselves into a corner therefore pick 2 is less valuable' line is bogus, and seems to only be parroted by people who really value picks 2

It's not about pick 2 being less valuable, it's about what teams are prepared to offer, knowing that North are almost certainly selling either pick 2 or their F1.

I think Essendon have greater ambitions for 28/31 than North's F2. No one is trading out of the top-40 this year for an F2.

They hardly thought (at one stage anyway) that as I keep repeating, we have lost TT and JHF (Gun + Pick 1) - our best player is 20, the time is not ticking.

Larkey is 27 next year. Time's ticking for everyone.

Beautifully argued, it's like you are channeling Blair. But, 10 and 18 for pick 2? I think we'll pass.

I also don't buy this Smillie talk. If they had 1, 2 and 6, I doubt Richmond take 3 mids. It's really the first year of a major rebuild and you will get access to better mids than this year's crop over the next couple of years. Pick 6 looks a safe spot to take your favourite tall, possibly the player you are luring us into trading back to get.

Haha, yeah I think 10 and 18 is where Blair sits. Do you think you'll pass if you don't get a better offer? Do you think you'll trade your F1 for pick 16 rather than do that deal?

The Smillie thing is real. We love him. We will take him at 6 if we have both Lalor and FOS or just one of them.

I'm sure we like Tauru but we have Josh Gibcus. He's everything Tauru is and more: taller, faster, better leap and better skills. An 18-year-old Gibcus would be the first tall taken in this draft. We'd be tempted by Tauru at 6 but I reckon we'd only take him if we were confident Smillie would be there at 10.

We like Armstrong too, and we've been watching the Whitlocks closely. There are a raft of talls in the range of our 18-24 picks. We'll get the best mids first.

18 for Adelaide's F1 seems like a very good deal for Richmond.

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At first glance it might. But we're not selling any pick before the draft unless it's in a pick 2 deal. We'll get better offers than Adelaide's F1 for pick 18.

 

[Chip Scab1]

They won't take Tahru at 2 if they keep the pick. FOS is a different mid to what they have. They can trade into the late first round with their f1 and grab a tall. Lets say they go FOS and get say a Luke Trainor with the sliding back end pick. Recon North fans would be thrilled with that

It doesn't solve anything. our issue is a Talented CHF, they should be available next year at the picks we have available. We have already Logue, Corr, WDawson and Archer down back whereas up forward we have Larkey, Zurhaar, Curtis and donuts - thinking about our future obviously.

F2 for one of the dons picks makes some sense and should get us something. Leave pick 2-4 next year for a gun tall forward.

 

[Choogler]

Actually love Hewett as a player, think he's got a bit of the LDU's about him

Hewett will be a gun IMO

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Mate you aren't playing along enough to the Richmond them song enough in here.

"North need to trade their F1 for pick 20+..." is the new normal.

Don’t get me wrong you’ll trade your f1 or f2 into this year but it will be on Northa terms. Maybe your f2 and you could get into the second round. You don’t have to trade into r1.