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[Wise Guy Sam]

Anybody got any ideas what kind of trade North can do with pick 2? Heard they might try it.

 

[Rich01]

They hardly thought (at one stage anyway) that as I keep repeating, we have lost TT and JHF (Gun + Pick 1) - our best player is 20, the time is not ticking. If LDU goes, he goes, it's not the end of the world as we'll likely get pick 3-5 for him anyway. You are going to experience abject shitness this year, it's no good, but it's life and you soon deal with it. The concept of mid-table madness (Saints/Essendon's of the world) is no good for anyone.

Agree but with what a dozen or so picks in the first 25 over the past five years you would have thought that the midfield would be set at the very least.

Absolutely staggering the midfield is not complete by now.

And if LDU goes that would be terrible for your club. I don’t care what the pick is.

The rebuild can’t go on for another five years. It’s time to see improvement.

 

[sr36]

They hardly thought (at one stage anyway) that as I keep repeating, we have lost TT and JHF (Gun + Pick 1) - our best player is 20, the time is not ticking. If LDU goes, he goes, it's not the end of the world as we'll likely get pick 3-5 for him anyway. You are going to experience abject shitness this year, it's no good, but it's life and you soon deal with it. The concept of mid-table madness (Saints/Essendon's of the world) is no good for anyone.

The concept of being uncompetitive is what's really no good for anyone.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

"Hey Richmond, you know how you wanted pick 2? We're giving it to Adelaide. Can you give us pick 18?"

18 for Adelaide's F1 seems like a very good deal for Richmond.

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[bobs head soup]

Has there ever been a 3 way trade go down during live trading? Seems like a leap of faith to organise with so many moving parts on the night

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Beautifully argued, it's like you are channeling Blair. But, 10 and 18 for pick 2? I think we'll pass.

I also don't buy this Smillie talk. If they had 1, 2 and 6, I doubt Richmond take 3 mids. It's really the first year of a major rebuild and you will get access to better mids than this year's crop over the next couple of years. Pick 6 looks a safe spot to take your favourite tall, possibly the player you are luring us into trading back to get.

They can get the talls at 10,11,18,24. Best available for the first 3. Now Armstrong might be “best available” anyway. But why not get Lalor/Draper/FOS at pick 1, and then say Smilie who they are really keen on at 6? Could Jagga Smith last till 6? There’s talls later in the first round, Whitlock, Shanahan, etc. I would be surprised if they don’t take two mids at their first two picks.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

18 for Adelaide's F1 seems like a very good deal for Richmond.

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Hardly it’s a worse pick next year in a significantly worse and compromised draft. Plus the Crows can easily come top 6. Horrid deal for pick 18. Pick 24 maybe and that’s “at best”.

 

[LB2Snake]

Agree but with what a dozen or so picks in the first 25 over the past five years you would have thought that the midfield would be set at the very least.

Absolutely staggering the midfield is not complete by now.

And if LDU goes that would be terrible for your club. I don’t care what the pick is.

The rebuild can’t go on for another five years. It’s time to see improvement.

So you don't rate TT and JHF? They are pretty big losses. You are about to rebuild your midfield, it takes a while, but you've at least got quality and experience/size in Taranto and Hopper around them.

 

[perplexed]

They can get the talls at 10,11,18,24. Best available for the first 3. Now Armstrong might be “best available” anyway. But why not get Lalor/Draper/FOS at pick 1, and then say Smilie who they are really keen on at 6? Could Jagga Smith last till 6? There’s talls later in the first round, Whitlock, Shanahan, etc. I would be surprised if they don’t take two mids at their first two picks.

Yes, I agree they will probably use their first two picks on mids, but not their first three. I was responding to a scenario where they had 1,2 & 6 and had traded out 10 & 18.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

So you don't rate TT and JHF? They are pretty big losses. You are about to rebuild your midfield, it takes a while, but you've at least got quality and experience/size in Taranto and Hopper around then.

TT was such a disappointing loss and for a number of reasons, still maintain JHF was poor diligence on recruiters a bit though. Thomas literally could have been anything but like Bennell (and others) for off field reasons it hasn't worked out.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yes, I agree they will probably use their first two picks on mids, but not their first three. I was responding to a scenario where they had 1,2 & 6 and had traded out 10 & 18.

Actually think they use their first 3 regardless where they are on midfielders. I wouldn't be shocked if they use their first 4 on smaller types either, there would be variations though, you could take the premier wingman in the draft at 10 if he's there. There are a lot of talls but Armstrong aside there are so many from the teens onwards, you could grab both the Whitlocks at 18 and 24 for instance. I also won't be shocked to see them bundle 18 and 24 with another club either. Richmond have options. They can also send 24 into next year too

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Hardly it’s a worse pick next year in a significantly worse and compromised draft. Plus the Crows can easily come top 6. Horrid deal for pick 18. Pick 24 maybe and that’s “at best”.

This time last year everyone was saying this draft was shaping up to be below avg and now it’s one of the deepest.

Next years draft isn’t significantly worse than this years. At this stage, it looks like it’s lacking a bit of depth but the top 10-15 will be really solid.

If Sharp was available in this years draft he’d be the number 1 pick, quite comfortably too.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

This time last year everyone was saying this draft was shaping up to be below avg and now it’s one of the deepest.

Next years draft isn’t significantly worse than this years. At this stage, it looks like it’s lacking a bit of depth but the top 10-15 will be really solid.

If Sharp was available in this years draft he’d be the number 1 pick, quite comfortably too.

It is compromised, check how many academy, NGA, and FS prospects are not only rated highly but very highly (I mean we have 2 and we aren't the only ones, we have 3 but the 3rd is a mid second ish). Yes Sharp is a gun, he'll go 1 and to Richmond but it makes no difference to this. Lets assume Adelaide come 6th, you always assume on the higher end, that's pick 13 without the bids. Pick 13 will be 20+ more likely to be 24 ish. How is that on par for pick 18 (which becomes pick 21 this year). It's a worse pick, pick 18 this year gets them access to a Whitlock, Shanahan, etc right now, put a year of development into a tall now. Richmond may send a pick to next year it's likely to be the pick 24 one, 18 is way too high.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Agree but with what a dozen or so picks in the first 25 over the past five years you would have thought that the midfield would be set at the very least.

Absolutely staggering the midfield is not complete by now.

And if LDU goes that would be terrible for your club. I don’t care what the pick is.

The rebuild can’t go on for another five years. It’s time to see improvement.

It's pretty good, you will need to be shambolic for near on half a decade to be able to compete with us LDU or not. It's disturbing that your brain can't work out what i'm telling you and have told you for a few weeks now.


I'll simplify it further for you... Would our midfield be complete with an available Tarryn Thomas and JHF? Yes. They are no longer with us so we have: LDU, Sheezel (part time), Wardlaw and Duursma (no time). Maybe Simpkin, Maybe Scott. That's it.

It's behind where it should be, but not disastrous mainly as we have 25 year olds pick 73 AA FF and a pick 74 AA squad Ruckman, 1st round talents in Hardeman, W Dawson and Goad who are yet to really do anything of substance/been developing.

As I said you've got all this to look forward to, I'm not saying it will be another 37 but it could be a while until you're back where your supporter base expects.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

It is compromised, check how many academy, NGA, and FS prospects are not only rated highly but very highly (I mean we have 2 and we aren't the only ones, we have 3 but the 3rd is a mid second ish). Yes Sharp is a gun, he'll go 1 and to Richmond but it makes no difference to this. Lets assume Adelaide come 6th, you always assume on the higher end, that's pick 13 without the bids. Pick 13 will be 20+ more likely to be 24 ish. How is that on par for pick 18 (which becomes pick 21 this year). It's a worse pick, pick 18 this year gets them access to a Whitlock, Shanahan, etc right now, put a year of development into a tall now. Richmond may send a pick to next year it's likely to be the pick 24 one, 18 is way too high.

It is compromised no doubt, but every draft is. This year we have Ashcroft, Lombard etc. Last we had Rogers, Read, Walter.

Next year though, with the changes to the points system clubs are going to have to cough up more draft capital in order to secure their players, particularly if a club (GC) has multiple early academy selections, so if anything, late first rounders will be more valuable than they are currently.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It is compromised no doubt, but every draft is. This year we have Ashcroft, Lombard etc. Last we had Rogers, Read, Walter.

Next year though, with the changes to the points system clubs are going to have to cough up more draft capital in order to secure their players, particularly if a club (GC) has multiple early academy selections, so if anything, late first rounders will be more valuable than they are currently.

It is still hugely compromised, pick 18 this year needs to be a guaranteed top 10 next year, now Essendons f1, now that's more likely for that sort of range. Richmond I highly doubt are interested in Adelaide's f1, there's zero value. They will get a tall at 18 this year and develop him for a year.

 

[sr36]

It is compromised no doubt, but every draft is. This year we have Ashcroft, Lombard etc. Last we had Rogers, Read, Walter.

Next year though, with the changes to the points system clubs are going to have to cough up more draft capital in order to secure their players, particularly if a club (GC) has multiple early academy selections, so if anything, late first rounders will be more valuable than they are currently.

2nd rounders will increase in value as they're prime matching points. Late first will drop as you won't be able to trade in as many points as Brisbane for example did this year.

I think it will be short lived with the Northern academy kids though, as with the extra price, they'll start hiding the good ones - I think Sydney already are.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

2nd rounders will increase in value as they're prime matching points. Late first will drop as you won't be able to trade in as many points as Brisbane for example did this year.

I think it will be short lived with the Northern academy kids though, as with the extra price, they'll start hiding the good ones - I think Sydney already are.

If we are 'hiding' them boy we are doing a worse job than our 'performance' on Grand Final day!

 

[sr36]

If we are 'hiding' them boy we are doing a worse job than our 'performance' on Grand Final day!

You haven't had any go early for a while with some likely prospects likely to go a bit later. Cleary and Cochran? Obviously Gulden, but that was probably covid.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

You haven't had any go early for a while with some likely prospects likely to go a bit later. Cleary and Cochran? Obviously Gulden, but that was probably covid.

Lets call the Gulden one par as we paid hideous overs for Campbell in the same draft. Got Gulden fractionally under but Campbell we paid way overs! Cochran is rated where he is he'll be solid maybe.

We have 3 prospects next year, obviously the top 5 one everyone knows about, we surely can't be hiding him when he was BOG in that game this year! We should have plonked him at full back if we were!

 

[Rich01]

So you don't rate TT and JHF? They are pretty big losses. You are about to rebuild your midfield, it takes a while, but you've at least got quality and experience/size in Taranto and Hopper around then.

I definitely rate JHF and TT as players. And I rate LDU. And Sheezel. And Harley Reid.

One doesn’t have to take too much of a leap to think that with a strong plan, development and culture that Norths midfield next year could have had all those guys playing for them.

Instead I’m being told the midfield STILL isn’t complete. After 5 years and over a dozen top 25 picks.

Are you accepting of this?

Geez if LDU leaves next year you’d have to concede somethings very wrong down at Arden St.

 

[4tune8]

Actually think they use their first 3 regardless where they are on midfielders. I wouldn't be shocked if they use their first 4 on smaller types either, there would be variations though, you could take the premier wingman in the draft at 10 if he's there. There are a lot of talls but Armstrong aside there are so many from the teens onwards, you could grab both the Whitlocks at 18 and 24 for instance. I also won't be shocked to see them bundle 18 and 24 with another club either. Richmond have options. They can also send 24 into next year too

I think that the perception that the Tigers will take 3-4 talls is misreading our list.

We currently have 17 players on the list who can be classed as KPP's, I'm including Vlastuin and Broad here. If we take 3 talls in the draft then we'll have 20, now that would be nigh on 50% of the list. Yes, we need a KPF, but it has to be one that a Premiership winning forward line can be built around, I'm just not seeing that with this crop. We're fully stocked with 2nd and 3rd tall forwards, some too early to tell whether they'll cut the mustard, Fawcett and Gray, others showing a bit of promise, LeFau and Bauer, then there's Ryan and Koshitzke.

With the changes to how lists are built coming in over the next 3 years, ie: 10% banking of salary cap, 2 years of future trading and then pick purchasing, we'll have the cash and draft capital to buy any player in the league, including the contracted ones.

We're lacking in a quality 2nd ruck but can get by taking a ruck/forward and developing him for a couple of years, also supplementing that line through mature age picks.

Don't be surprised if we just take the one tall, J Whitlock, Gerreyn or Sims

 

[Mofra]

Leaks and links are starting to emerge - and the Bulldogs are linked to guys I'm not very enthusiastic about (Hotton, Datolli and Trainor among them)

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I think that the perception that the Tigers will take 3-4 talls is misreading our list.

We currently have 17 players on the list who can be classed as KPP's, I'm including Vlastuin and Broad here. If we take 3 talls in the draft then we'll have 20, now that would be nigh on 50% of the list. Yes, we need a KPF, but it has to be one that a Premiership winning forward line can be built around, I'm just not seeing that with this crop. We're fully stocked with 2nd and 3rd tall forwards, some too early to tell whether they'll cut the mustard, Fawcett and Gray, others showing a bit of promise, LeFau and Bauer, then there's Ryan and Koshitzke.

With the changes to how lists are built coming in over the next 3 years, ie: 10% banking of salary cap, 2 years of future trading and then pick purchasing, we'll have the cash and draft capital to buy any player in the league, including the contracted ones.

We're lacking in a quality 2nd ruck but can get by taking a ruck/forward and developing him for a couple of years, also supplementing that line through mature age picks.

Don't be surprised if we just take the one tall, J Whitlock, Gerreyn or Sims

Yep I agree, feel you take the 3 smalls at 1, 6, 10. Then you take the best tall maybe Armstrong is there at 11 and you just take him. Take the best slider at 18, trade 24 to next year. That would be my gut feeling as to what Richmond do I could be wrong but that's what I would do if I were Richmond. Lets not pretend you won't have pick 1 next year, and probably pick 1-4 the year after. You can get talls there.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Leaks and links are starting to emerge - and the Bulldogs are linked to guys I'm not very enthusiastic about (Hotton, Datolli and Trainor among them)

Hotton would be worth the risk could be the very best in the draft!