Rumour Draft Rumours 2024

[stavro#4]

Do we love Tauru though? He doesn't seem an obvious choice for us: Armstrong or Shanahan seem better fits. One of the three or Trainor would be around at 11. Then take another key forward, Whitlock, Faull, or Gerryn and a small forward, Berry, Hannaford, or Dattoli and we have addressed our biggest needs.

If you guys really want pick 2, you need to either split 8 or do the leg work in getting us a good teens pick for your f1.

That is the reported target and no we don’t.

It looks like your choosing between multiple teens picks (that you arguably would have laughed at west coast for taking) and our offer which gets you back in at 7 and a future pick.

I don’t really care either way from here. But we don’t need to do anything.

It’s a fair offer as far as I’m concerned.

Richmond doesn’t seem to be giving you a top 10 pick

 

[Mofra]

Do we love Tauru though? He doesn't seem an obvious choice for us: Armstrong or Shanahan seem better fits. One of the three or Trainor would be around at 11. Then take another key forward, Whitlock, Faull, or Gerryn and a small forward, Berry, Hannaford, or Dattoli and we have addressed our biggest needs.

If you guys really want pick 2, you need to either split 8 or do the leg work in getting us a good teens pick for your f1.

Barrat late seems a good fit for North too, if you're looking for talls who attack the ball in the air and have a bit of grit to their game.

I do wonder if the 'sliding down for Tauru' narrative is because North also rate a kid highly in the teens/20s others seem to be glossing over (e.g. someone like Alger) so prefer both over another mid.

 

[LB2Snake]

I think the Saints trade is separate. It is Richmond (via Port & GWS) vs Saints for pick 2.

If Richmond wants to keep 6, any deal for 2 will need to involve both 10 and 11 going (either directly or indirectly). Don't see any other way it gets done. At the same time if the deal being spoken about involves 10 that says to me 6 isn't involved because I can't see a situation Richmond would part with both those picks for 2 even if they got something else back.

Something like:

Rich Give 10+11+20, Get 2+16
GWS Give 15+16, Get 13+20
Port Give 13 + 29, Get 10
North Give 2, Get 11+15+29

Looks pretty fair to me. Everyone is compromising in some way. Richmond gets their wish to keep 6 but have to lose 10+11. GWS slides back 4 spots at the end of the first round to move up 2 spots mid first round. Port pays 29 to move up only 3 spots but gets a top 10 pick. North slide back more than they'd like but get a 3rd top 30 pick (which they can use now that JS has retired).

North don't get the premium you normally get for pick 2 so only do this trade if they really want to split it. Values pick 2 at similar to the Westcoast trade for 3 but they get 29 on top. I personally don't know why they'd split if they can't get 6 but as I said the fact 10 is involved suggests 6 won't be.

Saints deal for 2 might be better as imagine its 8+F1 for 2. North then flip Saints F1 to GWS for 16 so Roos get 8+16. Earlier 1st pick but no 3rd pick. That's assuming GWS or anyone else in the mid-teens are willing to trade out of the first round.

You don't think it's incredibly arrogant, in your scenario, that Richmond want pick 2 but wouldn't be prepared to use 6?
Saints somehow don't need to use 7, they'd prefer 8?
Oh ok, I hope Brady says, "Yeah nah"
We've gone from our bloke prepared to "slide back a couple of spots, as long as it's a good deal for us", to sliding back 9 spots, for the extra picks. Madness. Especially as we don't need 3 picks.

I just think it's hilarious that pick 2 is not worth much in this draft.......try trading for pick 1 and see how ya go.

I wonder if North, at the very start, were dishonest and just said, "No, we will be keeping pick 2, we luv where we sit right now", if there'd be a different narrative.

 

[sr36]

they may be even, but they are not the same player, Jagga Smith is a very different player to FOS, despite being roughly the same ability.
Being 2 and picking the player you want is a huge advantage of compared to 7 and taking who is left.

North trading 2 for pick 7 and 21 is absurd and just not happening.

If they can get 6 and 10 or something, they might do it. (compared to what it has taken to move up in previous years that is cheap, mostly due to it being very even)

If people wont cough up that sort of pick, I hope they keep there pick 2 and take the player they want there.

The whole point is that the player they want is expected to be there much later. Different clubs rate players differently. If they're sure the guy they want is going to be still available at pick 7, they'd be mad not to trade down and take as much as they can get for it - which may just by 21 or St Kilda's future first.

 

[True Believer]

for the extra picks. Madness. Especially as we don't need 3 picks.

As I understand you need at least 3 picks, maybe more?

 

[sr36]

You don't think it's incredibly arrogant, in your scenario, that Richmond want pick 2 but wouldn't be prepared to use 6?
Saints somehow don't need to use 7, they'd prefer 8?
Oh ok, I hope Brady says, "Yeah nah"
We've gone from our bloke prepared to "slide back a couple of spots, as long as it's a good deal for us", to sliding back 9 spots, for the extra picks. Madness. Especially as we don't need 3 picks.

I just think it's hilarious that pick 2 is not worth much in this draft.......try trading for pick 1 and see how ya go.

I wonder if North, at the very start, were dishonest and just said, "No, we will be keeping pick 2, we luv where we sit right now", if there'd be a different narrative.

It's not that it isn't worth much - it's worth a heap as always. It's that pick 6,7 and 8, etc.. are worth a heap more than they usually are, so you don't have to pay as much as you normally would to rise from 6 to 2.

 

[LB2Snake]

As I understand you need at least 3 picks, maybe more?

I think it's 3 max....but we just lodged paperwork for River Stevens FS

Edit...we actually just created another list spot by delisting Toby Pink and promising to re-rookie

 

[LB2Snake]

It's not that it isn't worth much - it's worth a heap as always. It's that pick 6,7 and 8, etc.. are worth a heap more than they usually are, so you don't have to pay as much as you normally would to rise from 6 to 2.

I just don't buy this. There's clearly some tiers involved here

*Excluding Ashcroft

Lalor
FOS
Draper
Jagga
*Even clubs would have a preferred order in those 4

-------Daylight

Langford
Smillie

--------
Reid
Others

Might have missed some, but can't be arsed looking up the list.

There has to be a premium for moving up to pick the 2nd best player.....and it's not pick 11 and 17 or whatever

 

[blaisee]

That is the reported target and no we don’t.

It looks like your choosing between multiple teens picks (that you arguably would have laughed at west coast for taking) and our offer which gets you back in at 7 and a future pick.

I don’t really care either way from here. But we don’t need to do anything.

It’s a fair offer as far as I’m concerned.

Richmond doesn’t seem to be giving you a top 10 pick

yes we are Pick 10 is on the table

 

[sr36]

I just don't buy this. There's clearly some tiers involved here

*Excluding Ashcroft

Lalor
FOS
Draper
Jagga
*Even clubs would have a preferred order in those 4

-------Daylight

Langford
Smillie

--------
Reid
Others

Might have missed some, but can't be arsed looking up the list.

There has to be a premium for moving up to pick the 2nd best player.....and it's not pick 11 and 17 or whatever

They may be clear cut in terms of bigfooty, doesn't mean they are at each of the 18 clubs. Extremely likely that many would have a different top 4 to what you claim is clear cut.

 

[stavro#4]

yes we are Pick 10 is on the table

The rumour has pick 10 going to Port

 

[Better Loosen Up]

What would Richmond fans want for pick 1?

 

[stavro#4]

I just don't buy this. There's clearly some tiers involved here

*Excluding Ashcroft

Lalor
FOS
Draper
Jagga
*Even clubs would have a preferred order in those 4

-------Daylight

Langford
Smillie

--------
Reid
Others

Might have missed some, but can't be arsed looking up the list.

There has to be a premium for moving up to pick the 2nd best player.....and it's not pick 11 and 17 or whatever

Disagree with the tier between langford and Smillie from that top 4.

What I would say is the reason Smillie slides is because he is the ultimate boom or bust pick in this draft.

 

[tiger_tough]

What would Richmond fans want for pick 1?

Sam Lalor

 

[richoatthedisco]

What would Richmond fans want for pick 1?

Picks 2, 3 and 4.

 

[LB2Snake]

They may be clear cut in terms of bigfooty, doesn't mean they are at each of the 18 clubs. Extremely likely that many would have a different top 4 to what you claim is clear cut.

So aren't we both agreeing?.......we wouldn't know. We will know the day before with Cal's phantom I reckon. Not before then I don't feel. Love it.

 

[Makeshift Park]

7 + F1 is correct.

I don’t know the details of the other deal at this stage other than Port end up with 10 in the mix.

Sorry just playing catch up on this thread.

The thing about this 7 + F1 deal you've mooted is that it only makes sense for North if we have a committed party for the Saint's F1. There's no point in us losing pick 2, and bearing the risk of holding a future pick if we don't know what return we get for it.

So the idea that its a deal North has organised with the Saints alone seems a bit illogical from where I'm sitting.

 

[LB2Snake]

Picks 2, 3 and 4.

Nah mate, picks 3 and 4 are only worth teens picks. It's a SUPA-DRAFT!
North sold pick 2 already for a wishing well and some magic beans.....we are on here!

 

[aussierulesrules]

So you wouldn't trade pick 1 for 5+19 would you?

In this draft I think that would be very close to a fair trade.

Because as everyone is saying, the depth is where the quality in this draft is, not the quality at the pointy end, so the guy you’re getting at 1 you’d probably have been able to get at a pick much closer to 5 in most drafts, whereas the guy you could get at 19 would be closer to the quality you’d typically get at a pick around 12.

And the guy you’d get at 5 is right around what you’d normally get at 5.

So it would almost be equivalent to trading say pick 4 for 5 and 12 in a “stock-standard draft”.

A trade that most would do, all things being equal.

The fact that multiple guys could have gone pick 1 tells you that picks like 1 and 2 aren’t worth anywhere near as much as they would be in most drafts.

There’s very little difference between the quality of the guy you’re getting at 1 v the quality of the guy you’re getting at 5.

I mean 5 months ago were people saying Lalor is way better than say Langford? No. It’s really just about the specific needs of the clubs with the relevant picks.

Lalor is Dusty (who went pick 3), De Goey (5), Humphrey (6).

If the club with pick 1 already had a bunch of small speedy guys (eg Port) it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if they’d taken Langford there.

There’s no Harley Reid here. Just a handful of guys that would normally go somewhere in the 2-6 or 3-6 type range.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Sorry just playing catch up on this thread.

The thing about this 7 + F1 deal you've mooted is that it only makes sense for North if we have a committed party for the Saint's F1. There's no point in us losing pick 2, and bearing the risk of holding a future pick if we don't know what return we get for it.

So the idea that its a deal North has organised with the Saints alone seems a bit illogical from where I'm sitting.

I didn’t say it’s been organised between the two clubs.

I said it’s an offer that’s been proposed from St Kilda.

 

[Mofra]

Sam Lalor

Richmond love players who can genuinely fend off

 

[Ura]

If its pick 10 its 3 first rounders. Im not sure North do that though. Tigers favoured in that situation.

Tigers likely with their back end picks are going to be more speculative. I think they will likely take bigger swings the way North did last season with Goad. Not sure who that is for Tigers though.

 

[Makeshift Park]

I didn’t say it’s been organised between the two clubs.

I said it’s an offer that’s been proposed from St Kilda

Ah got you. So then the onus would be on North to go to Richmond et al and ask what return we'd get for Saints' F1 before we decide whether to agree to the Saints' offer.

 

[blaisee]

The rumour has pick 10 going to Port

Nth want more picks in the first round, and they want Tauru/Armstrong

As it stands Nth have a choice

Choice A

They can take your pick 7 + F1

Or they can end up with 3 first round picks from our deals with Port/GWS.

Choice B

Rich Give 10 + 18 + 24 Get 2 +29
GWS Give 15 + 21 Get 13 +24
Port Give 13 + 29 Get 10
North give 2 Get 15 + 18 + 21

or maybe even

Choice C

Rich give 10+11+24 get 2 and 29
GWS give 15+21 Get 13+24
Port give 13 +29 get 10
Nth give 2 get 11+15+21

Choice D

Or they keep Pick 2

If they really want Tauru they will take choice A or D

If they are happy to risk Tauru and get 3 other talls and spread the risk, they will go with B or C, actually definitely C if its offered.

 

[marcmurphy3]

You don't think it's incredibly arrogant, in your scenario, that Richmond want pick 2 but wouldn't be prepared to use 6?
Saints somehow don't need to use 7, they'd prefer 8?
Oh ok, I hope Brady says, "Yeah nah"
We've gone from our bloke prepared to "slide back a couple of spots, as long as it's a good deal for us", to sliding back 9 spots, for the extra picks. Madness. Especially as we don't need 3 picks.

I just think it's hilarious that pick 2 is not worth much in this draft.......try trading for pick 1 and see how ya go.

I wonder if North, at the very start, were dishonest and just said, "No, we will be keeping pick 2, we luv where we sit right now", if there'd be a different narrative.

100% it's arrogant. I'm not saying I do that deal. Just working a scenario based on the rumors.

Ultimately there are alot of factors we as fans can only speculate on.

How bad do North really want to split the pick? How bad do Richmond really want pick 2? Who rates what players and where?

Alot of posturing going on by clubs so you can't really read into anything they say.

I personally think North should just take pick 2 to the draft even if it means reaching slightly for a player. You've got loads of talent and can afford it. Don't get the desperation to get another first round pick. Keep your F1. It'll give you options next year.

And Richmond are better off just using all their early picks and using a few late 1sts to get more 1sts next year. Clubs will overpay and Tigers will set themselves up really well.