Rumour Draft Rumours 2024

[stavro#4]

It's a good offer, however North just freed up another list spot so not sure they are looking at just taking 2 players this draft (if they intend on using that late pick).

Your post above would be more inticing 7 & 15 and you get pick 2 and still have 21. If GWS are open to trade those picks for 8.

The trade gives north the tools to get what they need.

People need to stop thinking that a trade can’t be completed because a future pick hasn’t been traded for a current pick.

It’s perfectly acceptable for North to do that business on their own. Which is hard for their fan base and big footy posters to understand at times.

Where as my club already has 7+8. There isn’t a need to split a pick for a future pick or trade 7 and split 8 to facilitate North fans and other posters.

It really is straightforward. Just like it appears pick 6 is off the table for Richmond.

6+18/20 would have had pick 2 traded already.

But the plethora of tiger fans and other club posters seem to think it’s acceptable you won’t trade that and north need to accept what’s given.

 

[blaisee]

I think p2 gets traded.

North need to decide what they actually want to do.

Do they want the player they apparently love in Tauru? He is there at 7. You’re not offering 6.

So if yes, they trade with us and find another first with our F1. There will be one.

Or they do a west coast. Based off that rumour it seems they end up with 13+15 and maybe something else.

It’s a pig dressed up in make up. But if they want to celebrate that and call it a win. So be it. They may land Trainor.

But they traded for quantity as opposed to a target

So the saints would be happy to trade Pick 7+19 ( F1) for Pick 2

And be left with 2+15+21

Because if the saints are happy to trade F1 + 7+8, this will happen

 

[blaisee]

The trade gives north the tools to get what they need.

People need to stop thinking that a trade can’t be completed because a future pick hasn’t been traded for a current pick.

It’s perfectly acceptable for North to do that business on their own. Which is hard for their fan base and big footy posters to understand at times.

Where as my club already has 7+8. There isn’t a need to split a pick for a future pick or trade 7 and split 8 to facilitate North fans and other posters.

It really is straightforward. Just like it appears pick 6 is off the table for Richmond.

6+18/20 would have had pick 2 traded already.

But the plethora of tiger fans and other club posters seem to think it’s acceptable you won’t trade that and north need to accept what’s given.

This is where we disagree, You need to get the picks for Nth, they will not take the risk, why should they?

 

[stavro#4]

So the saints would be happy to trade Pick 7+19 ( F1) for Pick 2

And be left with 2+15+21

Because if the saints are happy to trade F1 + 7+8, this will happen

Yes appears so.

Keep in mind, the 15+21 is speculation.

We would be left with 2+8.

With a number of options with 8.

And the first club I would be calling is Richmond and see how keen they are on 8 for 10+second round pick To nab Armstrong.

 

[stavro#4]

This is where we disagree, You need to get the picks for Nth, they will not take the risk, why should they?

No we don’t. Hence why we haven’t.

We give them the draft currency. They can do whatever the **** they want with it.

Who’s to say they don’t take both F1s and send them to GWS for 15/16/21 (hypothetical)

 

[Makeshift Park]

Just like it appears pick 6 is off the table for Richmond.

Where has this come from, aside from the Macgowan piece that was proven to be dodgy?

 

[blaisee]

Yes appears so.

Keep in mind, the 15+21 is speculation.

We would be left with 2+8.

With a number of options with 8.

And the first club I would be calling is Richmond and see how keen they are on 8 for 10+second round pick To nab Armstrong.

The key is what 8 is worth, 15+21 would be max, could be 15+37, If you get 15+21 this could all work, but I have my doubts.

Interesting

 

[stavro#4]

Where has this come from, aside from the Macgowan piece that was proven to be dodgy?

Didnt Ralph the Richmond mouthpiece also say similar?

Richmond want 6 as it looks like they can take Smillie at that pick.

Otherwise you would have already traded pick 2.

6+18/20 gets that deal done yesterday.

 

[blaisee]

No we don’t. Hence why we haven’t.

We give them the draft currency. They can do whatever the **** they want with it.

Who’s to say they don’t take both F1s and send them to GWS for 15/16/21 (hypothetical)

All good, Nth will not take that risk IMHO, it does not make sense, but whatever

 

[stavro#4]

The key is what 8 is worth, 15+21 would be max, could be 15+37, If you get 15+21 this could all work, but I have my doubts.

Interesting

My club is well positioned. Hope you now understand why there isn’t a stkilda supporter worried about where we are at with this draft or our possibilities.

We get pick 2. Great.

We don’t. Awesome we still hold 7+8+F1

Those top 6 mids are nice. Buts it’s also likely one is there at 7.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

What a terrible deal.

We want pick 2 and you have not only crafted a scenario that Richmond gets it. But we help facilitate and we use p8 in doing so for p20 in this draft and a future pick we don’t want as we literally 2 days ago told Jay Clark we want more first round picks not less.

Hence why our future first was the offer along with p7.

P8 would then be the pick we try and slide back with.

The theory behind it would be that you rate Smille and can then get him at 7. If North keep 2 they likely take a mid or if they don’t get pick 6 then 6 will be used on a mid.
It all comes down to how people rate these kids but for me if Langford, Smith, FOS, Lalor, Smillie and Draper are all off the board then 7 loses a lot of value if you are looking at midfielders. If you are looking at a tall then it’s still a good place to be picking.
I also think ST Kilda and North are bottom 5 sides next season. St Kilda using a future first to move up the draft order to me seems crazy because you are possibly trading access to Smillie and very highly rated mid at ~5 next season for one of Jagger or FOS.
If North end up trading for 6 anyway then that’s a great result for St Kilda and imo no need to trade. You just wouldn’t want North picking at 2 or not having a pick inside 7.


To me it seems roughly like

Pick 7,8 while possibly missing Smillie plus future ~5
Or
Smith plus pick 15 and 16
Or
Smillie plus 20, future pick ~4 and future pick ~5.

 

[stavro#4]

All good, Nth will not take that risk IMHO, it does not make sense, but whatever

Fair enough mate.

Again this just goes back to…

Big club doesn’t offer p6. But 2 mid teens picks and you think it’s a good deal because North get 2 picks they know about.

But 7+F1 is a bad deal from the small club because it’s irrelevant they get the player they want at 7. They might not get a pick back this year or they might have to do their own bidding to land one.

Christ it’s such a stupid argument

If North trade pick 2 and want Tauru.

They trade with us for as long as p6 is off the table.

If they want mid teens picks ala west coasts deal. They trade with you.

 

[stavro#4]

The theory behind it would be that you rate Smille and can then get him at 7. If North keep 2 they likely take a mid or if they don’t get pick 6 then 6 will be used on a mid.
It all comes down to how people rate these kids but for me if Langford, Smith, FOS, Lalor, Smillie and Draper are all off the board then 7 loses a lot of value if you are looking at midfielders. If you are looking at a tall then it’s still a good place to be picking.
I also think ST Kilda and North are bottom 5 sides next season. St Kilda using a future first to move up the draft order to me seems crazy because you are possibly trading access to Smillie and very highly rated mid at ~5 next season for one of Jagger or FOS.
If North end up trading for 6 anyway then that’s a great result for St Kilda and imo no need to trade. You just wouldn’t want North picking at 2 or not having a pick inside 7.


To me it seems roughly like

Pick 7,8 while possibly missing Smillie plus future ~5
Or
Smith plus pick 15 and 16
Or
Smillie plus 20, future pick ~4 and future pick ~5.

I think that pick is likely 8-12 and when you factor in the academy selections and father sons. It starts to blow out with no guarantee the draft is as deep as this one.

And for the record, I think most saint supporters would be happy with Tauru/Armstrong taken with one pick and we split 8.

This idea that the mids are crap after those 6 is laughable and there are likely a number of players taken outside the top 10 who have better careers than those 6 mids. So it isn’t the be all and end all that requires my club to pay through the nose.

The offer as rumoured of 7 + F1 is a fair one. Nothing else needs to happen from our end.

They take it. Great.

They don’t. Great.

 

[perplexed]

We give them the draft currency. They can do whatever the **** they want with it.

I don't get this attitude at all. We will be happy to trade down if we get what we want, not for a chance that we might get it. We don't want your F1, so clearly a third club needs to be involved.

 

[stavro#4]

I don't get this attitude at all. We will be happy to trade down if we get what we want, not for a chance that we might get it. We don't want your F1, so clearly a third club needs to be involved.

Here is the thing you and your fan base is missing.

The offers aren’t rolling in. You don’t have huge leverage.

We will give you what Richmond can’t. The pick that lands your Tauru and they can give you the guarantee of 2 middle of the first order picks.

So if you trade: it’s either because you love the talent or you went down the west coast route and that would be pretty funny - just because I bet you laughed at them for their trade.

Either way mate. I couldn’t care less about what exactly happens with p2. I don’t see it as a desperate need. It’s a nice to have not a must have.

And if you pick at 2. Also nice.

But you still never got the bounty I bet your fanbase truly believed it would get 6 weeks ago.

 

[BarkerFan]

If Tigers are giving up picks 10 and 11 for 2, and assuming GWS want to trade up why not the following

GWS give tigers 15, 16
GWS get 11,20

GWS likely would do that

Then tigers have 1,6,10,15,16,18,20

So then:
Tigers give 10,18 to St kilda for 8 and F2 (or 32 if they prefer)
So tigers now have 1,6,8,15,16,20

St Kilda will likely be happy to get an extra pick and slide back 8 to 10

Then tigers can then trade up to 2, giving North 8+15

So:
GWS in 11,20
GWS out 15,16

North in 8,15
North out 2

St Kilda in 10,18
St Kilda out 8

Richmond in 2,16,F2
Richmond out 10,11,18,20


I think it is a better deal for Richmond than giving 10,11 for 2..

 

[Hawks_Footy]

If Houston is worth pick 13 + loose change there's no way Baker is worth pick 14.. I don't understand why Richmond people continue to defend their past players value when it's clear as day to everyone else they've fleeced the buyers

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

With respect a Carlton supporters ability to identify where a club/s is at is a very funny notion.

You blokes have been coming to win the flag since 2004 and every coach has been the messiah.

So whilst you think my club is bottom 5 next year. I think that pick is likely 8-12 and when you factor in the academy selections and father sons. It starts to blow out with no guarantee the draft is as deep as this one.

And for the record, I think most saint supporters would be happy with Tauru/Armstrong taken with one pick and we split 8.

This idea that the mids are crap after those 6 is laughable and there are likely a number of players taken outside the top 10 who have better careers than those 6 mids. So it isn’t the be all and end all that requires my club to pay through the nose.

The offer as rumoured of 7 + F1 is a fair one. Nothing else needs to happen from our end.

They take it. Great.

They don’t. Great.

Yeh as I said it comes down to how you rate the kids but I’m surprised that if you think you’ll finish pith picks 8-12 next year that you’re happy with the midfielders available at 15 this year and in that 8-12 range next year.
From the outside it seems like your club lacks top end midfield talent which I would have thought your club agreed with if they were looking to get pick 2. It just seems very contradictory.
I wouldn’t be betting on a club who has failed to bring in top end midfielders to then all of a sudden be able to find them in the same range they have been picking for 15 years without success.

 

[Giant Strides]

Still no draft rumours.

Not even the rumour of a rumour.

 

[perplexed]

Here is the thing you and your fan base is missing.

The offers aren’t rolling in. You don’t have huge leverage.

We will give you what Richmond can’t. The pick that lands your Tauru and they can give you the guarantee of 2 middle of the first order picks.

So if you trade: it’s either because you love the talent or you went down the west coast route and that would be pretty funny - just because I bet you laughed at them for their trade.

Either way mate. I couldn’t care less about what exactly happens with p2. I don’t see it as a desperate need. It’s a nice to have not a must have.

And if you pick at 2. Also nice.

But you still never got the bounty I bet your fanbase truly believed it would get 6 weeks ago.

You're a strange one. So you are happy to trade 7 + F1 for 2. But only if it is directly with North, if a third club is involved you don't want any part of it?

Maybe the thing you are missing is that your F1 isn't worth what you think it is, and we don't think we can exchange it for anything of enough value to justify the trade with you.

 

[tigs2010]

If Houston is worth pick 13 + loose change there's no way Baker is worth pick 14.. I don't understand why Richmond people continue to defend their past players value when it's clear as day to everyone else they've fleeced the buyers

Isn't it a Pies fan saying we didn't get overs. That was a huge overpay imo

 

[stavro#4]

Yeh as I said it comes down to how you rate the kids but I’m surprised that if you think you’ll finish pith picks 8-12 next year that you’re happy with the midfielders available at 15 this year and in that 8-12 range next year.
From the outside it seems like your club lacks top end midfield talent which I would have thought your club agreed with if they were looking to get pick 2. It just seems very contradictory.
I wouldn’t be betting on a club who has failed to bring in top end midfielders to then all of a sudden be able to find them in the same range they have been picking for 15 years without success.

It’s very likely a mid slides to us at 7.

The move from 7 to 2 would just guarantee us pick of who isn’t pick 1.

If we were desperate for those players. We would have moved 7+8 and got a deal done.

We have also found success with Pou at 10 NWM at 11 Wilson at 18.

we want a star mid. But we might already have one in Phillipou. So best available is the right choice and if there is a plethora of similar talent at a pick. Split it.

They are all better options then cashing in for pick 2 in a top end that is missing a Reid JHF Naicos Sheezel level of talent.

 

[stavro#4]

Oh dear

This poor child is getting angry now
You are wrong SON

There is no top 4 its all in your head

I believe he is referring to this.

 

[THE_GUN]

I believe he is referring to this.

Doesnt matter what he is referring to as its stupid
He initially posted there are 4 certainties that are top 4 simply going by what he has read on the media
but ignores the Cal Twomeny rankings in the same breath yet uses parts that suit his arguments.

I came late to the argument to comment that every team rates players differently and most if not all people have mentioned there are 6/7 players that could be selected anywhere in the top 6/7 and even a player like Jagga could slide to #6 or go #1 and Draper could be #2 or pick #8. Not to mention if North cant split #2 and take Tauru

Its just a stupid argument from a poster that thinks he is 100% right based on what he reads on media

 

[Mostyn]

I believe he is referring to this.

And I'm referring to the document that lists the combined ranking of every major publication.

Ignoring Ashcroft, who's ungettable, there is consistency around FOS, Lalor, Draper, Jagga and Ashcroft.

The only person who occasionally pops up is Reid, who is skilled but seems too slow to be a genuine mid at the next level.