Rumour Draft Rumours 2024

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

It’s very likely a mid slides to us at 7.

The move from 7 to 2 would just guarantee us pick of who isn’t pick 1.

If we were desperate for those players. We would have moved 7+8 and got a deal done.

We have also found success with Pou at 10 NWM at 11 Wilson at 18.

we want a star mid. But we might already have one in Phillipou. So best available is the right choice and if there is a plethora of similar talent at a pick. Split it.

They are all better options then cashing in for pick 2 in a top end that is missing a Reid JHF Naicos Sheezel level of talent.

Didn’t you fire the bloke picking those players?


That’s why I’m saying this with a big if. It all depends on what happens at 6 imo. If North get it then 7 may as well be pick 4 imo. If Richmond keep it then I think 7 may aswell be pick 10.
It’s exactly the same with us in Phillipou’s draft. We were one pick off having the more highly rated prospects. Obviously you can still find guns after them but the moving up 1 spot can be huge if you get the player you want.

 

[stavro#4]

Didn’t you fire the bloke picking those players?


That’s why I’m saying this with a big if. It all depends on what happens at 6 imo. If North get it then 7 may as well be pick 4 imo. If Richmond keep it then I think 7 may aswell be pick 10.
It’s exactly the same with us in Phillipou’s draft. We were one pick off having the more highly rated prospects. Obviously you can still find guns after them but the moving up 1 spot can be huge if you get the player you want.

And hired the bloke who took Bont Macrae Warner etc

 

[blaisee]

Fair enough mate.

Again this just goes back to…

Big club doesn’t offer p6. But 2 mid teens picks and you think it’s a good deal because North get 2 picks they know about.

But 7+F1 is a bad deal from the small club because it’s irrelevant they get the player they want at 7. They might not get a pick back this year or they might have to do their own bidding to land one.

Christ it’s such a stupid argument

If North trade pick 2 and want Tauru.

They trade with us for as long as p6 is off the table.

If they want mid teens picks ala west coasts deal. They trade with you.

As you know it is not that simple

Nth need more picks in 2024, just like very other club in the AFL

It is an issue because they only have Pick 2 to trade, as well F1, in a market where pretty much every other clubs F1 is on the table , it is a demand and supply issue, getting the saints F1, does not solve the issue, its just makes the supply of F1 on the market higher, price lower, ceteris parabus

In the end, we see what we want to see, according to our clubs view

In summary, I think like you, the saints keep Pick 7, and trade 8 for whatever they can get, probably 16 + mid 20s pick in this draft

If Nth can find better than pick 11+13 from Richmond for Pick 2 they will take it, or keep it ( which in my view they should keep it and take a mid )personally cannot see it happening, but I am bias.

If they do keep Pick 2 and take a mid, it screws the saints, that is clear, because the consensus view is that there are 5, maybe 6 top mids, but in the end Murphy Reid, Allan, Xavier Lyndsay, Tobie, Hotton ect, may end up being better than all of them so not the end of the world, but not the preferred option.

Biggest issue for the saints is SOS, he has a trigger finger.

 

[THE_GUN]

And I'm referring to the document that lists the combined ranking of every major publication.

Ignoring Ashcroft, who's ungettable, there is consistency around FOS, Lalor, Draper, Jagga and Ashcroft.

The only person who occasionally pops up is Reid, who is skilled but seems too slow to be a genuine mid at the next level.

Would you consider Cal Twomeys draft ranking as a 'Major publication' ?
#3 - Langford
#6 - Reid
#7 - Draper

Or shall we just use your opinion as the Major Publication

 

[blaisee]

I don't get this attitude at all. We will be happy to trade down if we get what we want, not for a chance that we might get it. We don't want your F1, so clearly a third club needs to be involved.

This is clearly and obviously true

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Agree. After the JHF fiasco and with victorian based players also around the projected talent mark, i see north if they hold the pick being a little gun shy picking another SA kid and taking one of FOS or Smith or Lalor.

If we hold 2, watch this space.

 

[sr36]

I believe he is referring to this.

Yes, but extrapolating that there's a really clear top 4 with all clubs thinking alike with a signifucant gap to 5 based on predictions of draft order requires an active imagination.

 

[blaisee]

You're a strange one. So you are happy to trade 7 + F1 for 2. But only if it is directly with North, if a third club is involved you don't want any part of it?

Maybe the thing you are missing is that your F1 isn't worth what you think it is, and we don't think we can exchange it for anything of enough value to justify the trade with you.

basically 100% the state of affairs at the moment

 

[stavro#4]

As you know it is not that simple

Nth need more picks in 2024, just like very other club in the AFL

It is an issue because they only have Pick 2 to trade, as well F1, in a market where pretty much every other clubs F1 is on the table , it is a demand and supply issue, getting the saints F1, does not solve the issue, its just makes the supply of F1 on the market higher, price lower, ceteris parabus

In the end, we see what we want to see, according to our clubs view

In summary, I think like you, the saints keep Pick 7, and trade 8 for whatever they can get, probably 16 + mid 20s pick in this draft

If Nth can find better than pick 11+13 from Richmond for Pick 2 they will take it, or keep it ( which in my view they should keep it and take a mid )personally cannot see it happening, but I am bias.

If they do keep Pick 2 and take a mid, it screws the saints, that is clear, because the consensus view is that there are 5, maybe 6 top mids, but in the end Murphy Reid, Allan, Xavier Lyndsay, Tobie, Hotton ect, may end up being better than all of them so not the end of the world, but not the preferred option.

Biggest issue for the saints is SOS, he has a trigger finger.

SOS doesn’t run the show at the saints.

He reports to Ross Lyon.

Gubby Dalrymple SOS all work cooperatively - they have their own lanes but it does blur.

It ISN’T the same role that he had at Carlton.

 

[THE_GUN]

SOS doesn’t run the show at the saints.

He reports to Ross Lyon.

Gubby Dalrymple SOS all work cooperatively - they have their own lanes but it does blur.

It ISN’T the same role that he had at Carlton.

SoS has never stayed in his own lane

Thats been the issue throughout his entire career

 

[stavro#4]

You're a strange one. So you are happy to trade 7 + F1 for 2. But only if it is directly with North, if a third club is involved you don't want any part of it?

Maybe the thing you are missing is that your F1 isn't worth what you think it is, and we don't think we can exchange it for anything of enough value to justify the trade with you.

No, I’m saying we don’t need to and you can do that part as what you may be able to get with 2 x F1s is a hell of a lot different to us saying. Ok here is 7 and 20 - trade time!

 

[stavro#4]

SoS has never stayed in his own lane

Thats been the issue throughout his entire career

Again…

He doesn’t call the shots. Thought I made that clear.

 

[Crow till I die]

If we hold 2, watch this space.

North will take who they take but it would seem a risk after what happened with JHF and some no risk alternatives right there in the same talent bracket

 

[TheJackal]

I don't get this attitude at all. We will be happy to trade down if we get what we want, not for a chance that we might get it. We don't want your F1, so clearly a third club needs to be involved.

I have nothing against North, but the sadist in me wants to see the Dees take Tauru at 5 for the melts and hours upon hours of wasted typing.

 

[EconomicDecline]

As you know it is not that simple

Nth need more picks in 2024, just like very other club in the AFL

It is an issue because they only have Pick 2 to trade, as well F1, in a market where pretty much every other clubs F1 is on the table , it is a demand and supply issue, getting the saints F1, does not solve the issue, its just makes the supply of F1 on the market higher, price lower, ceteris parabus

In the end, we see what we want to see, according to our clubs view

In summary, I think like you, the saints keep Pick 7, and trade 8 for whatever they can get, probably 16 + mid 20s pick in this draft

If Nth can find better than pick 11+13 from Richmond for Pick 2 they will take it, or keep it ( which in my view they should keep it and take a mid )personally cannot see it happening, but I am bias.

If they do keep Pick 2 and take a mid, it screws the saints, that is clear, because the consensus view is that there are 5, maybe 6 top mids, but in the end Murphy Reid, Allan, Xavier Lyndsay, Tobie, Hotton ect, may end up being better than all of them so not the end of the world, but not the preferred option.

Biggest issue for the saints is SOS, he has a trigger finger.

How is this hard to understand?

North trade 2 for Saints 7 + F1

They can then take their own F1 to someone like GWS or Sydney who would be very interested in a top 4 pick that they don't have to spend on their academy prospects. They keep Saints F1 to ensure they have something still in the first round next year.

The chances their target won't be still there between 7 and 11 are great.

 

[sr36]

I don't get this attitude at all. We will be happy to trade down if we get what we want, not for a chance that we might get it. We don't want your F1, so clearly a third club needs to be involved.

It probably depends where you actually rate the target that you're willing to trade down for. If he's who you'll take without trading down - you'll trade down to a range that you'll get him, for as much as clubs in that range are willing to pay.

 

[richoatthedisco]

But Tiger supporters will tell you that 6 is NOT going to be a part of any deal .... yet they are happy to take pick 2 whilst coughing up picks that won't satisfy North ... even with GWS & Port's involvement

If North are trading away Pick 2 they want a pick back that guarantees they can get the "player they want" with their new first pick - ie: Tauru .... and ..... another decent teens pick

Some Tiger fans might be saying we'll give up picks that won't satisfy North but you can bet Blair Hartley is working on a way to get North what they want while securing what Richmond wants. Hence the talk of the deal with GWS and Port.

As a mate texted me earlier: "Blair does what you do if you always get the business. He finds out what the other party wants and he gets it." With his 8 early draft picks he's trying to create a world in which Richmond gets pick 2 and Smillie, and North gets Tauru and another good pick.

I'm not saying this is what will happen and happy to receive feedback from supporters of clubs involved, but I just worked up the below scenario:

Port:
Out: 13, 29
In: 10, 37

Why? They want Travaglia and so do West Coast. They now pick before West Coast.

GWS:
Out: 15, 37
In: 23, 24

Why? Brings their 4th pick into the deep section of the draft and gives them 16, 21, 23, 24 so some degree of control over who they bring in. Also gives them the option to trade for an F1 while still holding a strong hand in this draft. And the coveted first pick of night 2.

St Kilda:
Out: 7, 32
In: 13, 18

Why? Gives them an extra first round pick. Giving 7 instead of 8 assures Richmond they won't steal our guy (Smillie) (Heheh, see what I did there?).

Richmond:
Out: 6, 10, 18, 20, 23, 24
In: 2, 7, 15, 29, 32, F2

Why? Secures pick 2, doesn't really affect getting Smillie given North is picking Tauru.

North:
Out: 2, F2
In: 6, 20

Why? Get Tauru and a good pick where they'll have a stack of options.

Almost certainly Smillie, but sure.

Great! He's the one we want.

 

[Obeanie1]

As you know it is not that simple

Nth need more picks in 2024, just like very other club in the AFL

It is an issue because they only have Pick 2 to trade, as well F1, in a market where pretty much every other clubs F1 is on the table , it is a demand and supply issue, getting the saints F1, does not solve the issue, its just makes the supply of F1 on the market higher, price lower, ceteris parabus

In the end, we see what we want to see, according to our clubs view

In summary, I think like you, the saints keep Pick 7, and trade 8 for whatever they can get, probably 16 + mid 20s pick in this draft

If Nth can find better than pick 11+13 from Richmond for Pick 2 they will take it, or keep it ( which in my view they should keep it and take a mid )personally cannot see it happening, but I am bias.

If they do keep Pick 2 and take a mid, it screws the saints, that is clear, because the consensus view is that there are 5, maybe 6 top mids, but in the end Murphy Reid, Allan, Xavier Lyndsay, Tobie, Hotton ect, may end up being better than all of them so not the end of the world, but not the preferred option.

Biggest issue for the saints is SOS, he has a trigger finger.

Not sure about every other clubs 1st rounders are on the market.

 

[Wrenny]

Richmond:
Out: 6, 10, 18, 20, 23, 24
In: 2, 7, 15, 29, 32, F2

Why? Secures pick 2, doesn't really affect getting Smillie given North is picking Tauru.

So…
1. Sam Lalor
2. Finn O’Sullivan
7. Josh Smillie
11. Bo Allan
15. Jobe Shanahan
29. Harry Oliver
32. Kayle Gerryn/Alex Dodson

 

[tigs2010]

Some Tiger fans might be saying we'll give up picks that won't satisfy North but you can bet Blair Hartley is working on a way to get North what they want while securing what Richmond wants. Hence the talk of the deal with GWS and Port.

As a mate texted me earlier: "Blair does what you do if you always get the business. He finds out what the other party wants and he gets it." With his 8 early draft picks he's trying to create a world in which Richmond gets pick 2 and Smillie, and North gets Tauru and another good pick.

I'm not saying this is what will happen and happy to receive feedback from supporters of clubs involved, but I just worked up the below scenario:

Port:
Out: 13, 29
In: 10, 37

Why? They want Travaglia and so do West Coast. They now pick before West Coast.

GWS:
Out: 15, 37
In: 23, 24

Why? Brings their 4th pick into the deep section of the draft and gives them 16, 21, 23, 24 so some degree of control over who they bring in. Also gives them the option to trade for an F1 while still holding a strong hand in this draft. And the coveted first pick of night 2.

St Kilda:
Out: 7, 32
In: 13, 18

Why? Gives them an extra first round pick. Giving 7 instead of 8 assures Richmond they won't steal our guy (Smillie) (Heheh, see what I did there?).

Richmond:
Out: 6, 10, 18, 20, 23, 24
In: 2, 7, 15, 29, 32, F2

Why? Secures pick 2, doesn't really affect getting Smillie given North is picking Tauru.

North:
Out: 2, F2
In: 6, 20

Why? Get Tauru and a good pick where they'll have a stack of options.


Great! He's the one we want.

TL;DR

 

[stavro#4]

Some Tiger fans might be saying we'll give up picks that won't satisfy North but you can bet Blair Hartley is working on a way to get North what they want while securing what Richmond wants. Hence the talk of the deal with GWS and Port.

As a mate texted me earlier: "Blair does what you do if you always get the business. He finds out what the other party wants and he gets it." With his 8 early draft picks he's trying to create a world in which Richmond gets pick 2 and Smillie, and North gets Tauru and another good pick.

I'm not saying this is what will happen and happy to receive feedback from supporters of clubs involved, but I just worked up the below scenario:

Port:
Out: 13, 29
In: 10, 37

Why? They want Travaglia and so do West Coast. They now pick before West Coast.

GWS:
Out: 15, 37
In: 23, 24

Why? Brings their 4th pick into the deep section of the draft and gives them 16, 21, 23, 24 so some degree of control over who they bring in. Also gives them the option to trade for an F1 while still holding a strong hand in this draft. And the coveted first pick of night 2.

St Kilda:
Out: 7, 32
In: 13, 18

Why? Gives them an extra first round pick. Giving 7 instead of 8 assures Richmond they won't steal our guy (Smillie) (Heheh, see what I did there?).

Richmond:
Out: 6, 10, 18, 20, 23, 24
In: 2, 7, 15, 29, 32, F2

Why? Secures pick 2, doesn't really affect getting Smillie given North is picking Tauru.

North:
Out: 2, F2
In: 6, 20

Why? Get Tauru and a good pick where they'll have a stack of options.


Great! He's the one we want.

Why would stkilda trade out p7 and a second rounder - in a pick swap it doesn’t need to be apart of?

When you take away us from your equation. This entire thing falls apart.

Which again, the rumour was we were standalone and not part of this orgy of pick swaps.

For good reason it seems as we wanted to keep p7 if we couldn’t land 2 which means we would draft Smillie and then you wouldn’t do that deal…

 

[Obeanie1]

Some Tiger fans might be saying we'll give up picks that won't satisfy North but you can bet Blair Hartley is working on a way to get North what they want while securing what Richmond wants. Hence the talk of the deal with GWS and Port.

As a mate texted me earlier: "Blair does what you do if you always get the business. He finds out what the other party wants and he gets it." With his 8 early draft picks he's trying to create a world in which Richmond gets pick 2 and Smillie, and North gets Tauru and another good pick.

I'm not saying this is what will happen and happy to receive feedback from supporters of clubs involved, but I just worked up the below scenario:

Port:
Out: 13, 29
In: 10, 37

Why? They want Travaglia and so do West Coast. They now pick before West Coast.

GWS:
Out: 15, 37
In: 23, 24

Why? Brings their 4th pick into the deep section of the draft and gives them 16, 21, 23, 24 so some degree of control over who they bring in. Also gives them the option to trade for an F1 while still holding a strong hand in this draft. And the coveted first pick of night 2.

St Kilda:
Out: 7, 32
In: 13, 18

Why? Gives them an extra first round pick. Giving 7 instead of 8 assures Richmond they won't steal our guy (Smillie) (Heheh, see what I did there?).

Richmond:
Out: 6, 10, 18, 20, 23, 24
In: 2, 7, 15, 29, 32, F2

Why? Secures pick 2, doesn't really affect getting Smillie given North is picking Tauru.

North:
Out: 2, F2
In: 6, 20

Why? Get Tauru and a good pick where they'll have a stack of options.


Great! He's the one we want.

2 for 10 and 11 gets Tauru and another tall.

North add their F2nd Tigers add pick 24.

Keep it simple IMO.

North go in with 10, 11 and 24.

Tigers 1, 2, 6, 18, 22 and 23.

 

[stavro#4]

2 for 10 and 11 gets Tauru and another tall.

North add their F2nd Tigers add pick 24.

Keep it simple IMO.

North go in with 10, 11 and 24.

Tigers 1, 2, 6, 18, 22 and 23.

Don’t think it does.

We really like him too.
Not to the point we would derail our major need of a midfielder.

But if we have 7+8 and they are all gone. We will take him with one of those picks

 

[Ura]

2 for 10 and 11 gets Tauru and another tall.

North add their F2nd Tigers add pick 24.

Keep it simple IMO.

North go in with 10, 11 and 24.

Tigers 1, 2, 6, 18, 22 and 23.

Im not sure Tauru gets there. Melbounre and saints 2 picks befor there and I wouldnt count Tigers out at 6 at that point

 

[tigs2010]

Im not sure Tauru gets there. Melbounre and saints 2 picks befor there and I wouldnt count Tigers out at 6 at that point

I think it would be a massive campaigner move to take him at 6

I still maintain if you guys are set on one player alone then you would just take him at 2, why risk missing out.