Rumour Draft Rumours 2024

[aussierulesrules]

Just backing up to the talk about what pick 2 is worth or should be worth in a trade, what hasn’t been raised that I’m aware of is the fact that it’s not really pick 2.

Not if Ashcroft is indeed the clear best player in this draft class, as most seem to think is the case.

If he’s really the best- or even 2nd best- then pick two is really pick 3.

If next years draft picks aren’t worth as much because of all these expected academy or FS guys, then it stands to reason that every pick after 1 this year is also worth less than normal, because of Ashcroft.

Then you take into account the relative worth of the guys who are left on the board, compared to other years.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Reckon North should just take FOS at 2

yep him or lalor

 

[stavro#4]

Sorry I thought you were referring to Carlton when you said “your side”

Yeh they are all decent picks, good solid role players that you put around A graders; who are the harder ones to find and he has struggled to over the last 6 seasons.
I actually find it a strange move because S Kilda seem to be doing well over the last few years considering the picks they’ve held.

By the same definition you then have to say SOS was a recruiting god seeing as he landed you Walsh Weitering Curnow McKay TDK.

Warner is a top 25 player.

The flipside is that a lot of what he had to work with was also what was left over after ensuring they could land the academy talents they had.

He did a good job.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Reckon North should just take FOS at 2

Part of the lack of appeal in that for North though is that as things stand, that’s their only pick in the top 60. And they’re probably not going to get good value for their F1, so they’re probably pretty loathe to part with that.

And while FOS is potentially terrific, it’s the depth of talent in this draft that’s the big appeal, and to walk away with potentially just one guy from the top 30 or whatever- who plays in a position you’re already stacked in- doesn’t necessarily make crazy amounts of sense.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Who was the other Tasmanian?

McKercher and Sanders.

 

[stavro#4]

The appeal for them is that they would have a bird in the hand (multiple picks in the 10-25 range), as opposed to one in the bush (our F1, which may or may not be useful to getting the extra pick or two they want inside 25 or whatever).



Well we could, in which case they go to plan B and take a couple of Whitlocks or whatever.

If we still have 7 and 8 on the night, I don’t see any reason we’d take Tarau at 7. I think we’d take Reid or whoever and then sit back and see who comes knocking for pick 8.

Be it a club who wants Tarau, or a club who wants to get in front of Melbourne, etc.

You don’t see the hole Battle has left as a need?

Again, I’m comfortable that whatever we do we will do well from this draft.

 

[Mofra]

Are there any rumours besides North potentially trading back from pick 2?

It does seem like teams are running a tighter ship in terms of rumours in recent years. Even knowing which clubs interviewed state combine draftees seems less common.

 

[KrispyKreme]

McKercher and Sanders.

So three tasmanians in the first round?

 

[KrispyKreme]

Are there any rumours besides North potentially trading back from pick 2?

It does seem like teams are running a tighter ship in terms of rumours in recent years. Even knowing which clubs interviewed state combine draftees seems less common.

Port trading 13 as well
Saints trading pick 8

 

[The Filth Wizard]

So three tasmanians in the first round?

Yep, easy to forget Leake as he went so late. Probably more countering the argument though with top end draft picks otherwise I would have said for every JHF there is a Tom Powell who stays.

Side note I wonder what happened to Leake in his first year, I know North was real fond of him and hoped he'd get to that later group of picks we had in the first round.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Are there any rumours besides North potentially trading back from pick 2?

It does seem like teams are running a tighter ship in terms of rumours in recent years. Even knowing which clubs interviewed state combine draftees seems less common.

There was a suggestion that the Saints were prepared to split one of their first rounders. eg with GWS.

Interesting since that's the opposite of what they've been hypothesized for much of this thread.

 

[aussierulesrules]

You don’t see the hole Battle has left as a need?

Again, I’m comfortable that whatever we do we will do well from this draft.

I do, but as I said yesterday, I’d find it pretty hard to justify taking Tarau over say both Whitlocks (which you could potentially do, by splitting 8).

I’m at a stage now where I’d almost have a “take only midfielders and forwards in the top 30” type policy.

And if you need some help down back, switch one or more back there.

Think of how many gun defenders were drafted as forwards, mostly with later picks.

Guys like Enright, Fisher, Sicily. We saw what a revelation Lobb was this year when switched back (and he was the worst of their overflowing stock of tall forwards!), and Battle himself was another who was drafted as a forward, with a latish pick, and switched back.

Then the running types.

Sinclair- Rookie draft
Houston- Rookie draft
Dale- pick 45
Daniel- pick 46
B Hardwick- pick 44

It goes on and on.

For a position like CHB in particular, just draft one or more good quality forwards- who aren’t super-expensive- who you think have the attributes to play back.

I’m sure we could find a gun CHB from Max, Caminiti, Jack Whitlock, or Matt Whitlock.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Yep, easy to forget Leake as he went so late. Probably more countering the argument though with top end draft picks otherwise I would have said for every JHF there is a Tom Powell who stays.

Side note I wonder what happened to Leake in his first year, I know North was real fond of him and hoped he'd get to that later group of picks we had in the first round.

GWS were so keen on Leake that they traded what turned out to be pick 24 this year so that they could go from pick 18 to pick 17, and grab him ahead of us there.

We had to settle for Darcy Wilson.

 

[Significant]

Yep, easy to forget Leake as he went so late. Probably more countering the argument though with top end draft picks otherwise I would have said for every JHF there is a Tom Powell who stays.

Side note I wonder what happened to Leake in his first year, I know North was real fond of him and hoped he'd get to that later group of picks we had in the first round.

Almost BOG in late VFL games, with a couple of games with mid 20 possies and high tackle numbers. Looks to be developing nicely!

 

[The Filth Wizard]

GWS were so keen on Leake that they traded what turned out to be pick 24 this year so that they could go from pick 18 to pick 17, and grab him ahead of us there.

We had to settle for Darcy Wilson.

The falling of the house of cards for us too as we were thiiiiisss close to snagging Wilson who we also loved. Meant we ended up pivoting to the ruck prospect in Goad with Wil Dawson and Riley Hardeman always in our sights.

Almost BOG in late VFL games, with a couple of games with mid 20 possies and high tackle numbers. Looks to be developing nicely!

Pleased to hear this, I only heard great things.

 

[Bjchan13]

Part of the lack of appeal in that for North though is that as things stand, that’s their only pick in the top 60. And they’re probably not going to get good value for their F1, so they’re probably pretty loathe to part with that.

And while FOS is potentially terrific, it’s the depth of talent in this draft that’s the big appeal, and to walk away with potentially just one guy from the top 30 or whatever- who plays in a position you’re already stacked in- doesn’t necessarily make crazy amounts of sense.

I wouldn't be happy with any of the deals being discussed involving their F1. Personally think 2 is worth 6 and 11 straight up although i can understand Richmond not doing that

 

[Stamos]

Are there any rumours besides North potentially trading back from pick 2?

It does seem like teams are running a tighter ship in terms of rumours in recent years. Even knowing which clubs interviewed state combine draftees seems less common.

The Age Phantom Draft today is interesting. Doesn't have pick trades, but does have bids. Based on talking to recruiters at 14/18 clubs.

Preview - 2024 AFL Draft General Discussion

We had a kid in our year named Wayne Carr. Had little man syndrome quite bad. I worked with Justin Brown. (Just in Brown)

www.bigfooty.com

 

[aussierulesrules]

The Age Phantom Draft today is interesting. Doesn't have pick trades, but does have bids. Based on talking to recruiters at 14/18 clubs.

Preview - 2024 AFL Draft General Discussion

We had a kid in our year named Wayne Carr. Had little man syndrome quite bad. I worked with Justin Brown. (Just in Brown)

www.bigfooty.com

Do they really have Draper getting to us at 10!?

 

[Obeanie1]

If Houston is worth pick 13 + loose change there's no way Baker is worth pick 14.. I don't understand why Richmond people continue to defend their past players value when it's clear as day to everyone else they've fleeced the buyers

Fleecing occurs when clubs make commitment to trade in players.

It happened with Baker.

Thankfully the Eagles recouped their losses fleecing the Hawks for Barrass. Giving up basically 90% of their original 2025 draft 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks is a massive price to pay.

So it happens.

 

[Caj]

Really?

Mclean
mcinerney
Rowbottom
Chad warner
McDonald
Matt Roberts

Would all be in your best side and are good players. All selected by him.

Hard to judge the last 2 years. You played in the grand final this year with a strong side.

McLean - average
Mcinerney - average, overrated
Rowbottom - tick heart and soul player, too 25 pick though
Chad - tick a grader
McDonald - tick jury is out but it was the correct selection, hard to miss with pick 5
Matt Roberts - tick

What you haven’t included is the rest of the draftees over the last few seasons who haven’t looked anything like AFL players and have been delisted after 2 years

Not to mention his failures from the rookie list

 

[Caj]

By the same definition you then have to say SOS was a recruiting god seeing as he landed you Walsh Weitering Curnow McKay TDK.

Warner is a top 25 player.

The flipside is that a lot of what he had to work with was also what was left over after ensuring they could land the academy talents they had.

He did a good job.

Most Swans supporters wouldn’t agree with your assessment

 

[aussierulesrules]

Most Swans supporters wouldn’t agree with your assessment

What role did he have v KB?

 

[KurtNeverDied]

North will keep pick 2 and take Tauru. Too risky to move down.

 

[Obeanie1]

North will keep pick 2 and take Tauru. Too risky to move down.

That would be a great outcome......for every other side.

 

[sydney_gws]

Port trading 13 as well
Saints trading pick 8

The rumours part Cal Twomey mentioned on Gettable.