Training pretty well, from reports. But still growing into his body. He's a couple back on the KPD line at the moment, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him some time next year.
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How is stiffy training?
No injuries that we've heard of. Stiffy hasnt generally been a standout trainer throughout his career. Often lags behind in the endurance and sprints, yet on the field he looks remarkably quick. Expect a similar output to last year. Dont think he'll improve, but will be a consistent, solid defender.
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Hi,
Is Bernie Vince back to full training? And if so, how is he coming along?
Who would be the better pick, van Berlo or Vince?
Is Bernie Vince back to full training? And if so, how is he coming along?
Who would be the better pick, van Berlo or Vince?
I wouldnt select Vince. He is expected back in around week 2 or 3 of NAB cup, but really doesnt have a preseason under his belt. The issue is that he has little to no cartlidge left in his knee - same problem that McLeod had. While he will play this year, i wouldnt expect him to string a number of games together. He will miss a week or two here and there. And without the full preseason, selecting him is even riskier.
As for VB, he had an interupted preseason last year but is still a naturally fit athlete. He hasnt missed a beat for this preseason and is a safe pick. The issue is he wont give you high scores, but he wont give you low scores either. I would predict a solid 80 SC points a week with little variation. Dont expect him to improve all that much, but the captaincy did good things to cassissi's career, so you never know.
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Wow thanks for the insight
How are Brodie Smith's season prospects? Many games on his radar and will he start round 1?
We have a very young team and most of us are struggling to identify a "best 22" - none of the "best 22"s feature Smith. He'll probably get a game or two late in the season, but I doubt we'll see him before the mid-season break unless he does something truly outstanding in the MMC.Wow thanks for the insight
How are Brodie Smith's season prospects? Many games on his radar and will he start round 1?
DwayneBrightside
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Here is my assessment of the Crows list for the upcoming SC season:
SENIORS
Tony Armstrong - Will be banned for a month following a DUI infringement. Will need to work hard to win back his spot in the side, but is a fringe player right now.
Myke Cook - Disposal lets him down, which hurts you in SC. May get some opportunities this year but there are other midfielders ahead of him. Could be a make-or-break year for him.
James Craig - All our ruckman are firing right now, and Craig is probably 4th or 5th in line. Also carrying an injury which doesn’t help his cause. Can’t see him playing this year.
Patrick Dangerfield - Having a great preseason and barring injury, will be a certain starter in round 1. Last year we were hoping for a break out year. This could be the year that he puts it all together. His lack of uncontested possession and disposal skills at full speed can hurt you in SC though.
Phil Davis - He is clean with his possession and will take over at CHB in the role left vacant by Bock. Dont expect his scores to increase dramatically.
Michael Doughty - Solid and durable pick but his best is behind him. I expect his scores to start declining.
Richard Douglas - Career year last year, but I dont see him taking another huge leap forward. Durable player but a bit overpriced IMO.
Jack Gunston - Plays the Robert Murphy type role across half forward. May get opportunities this year but is too overpriced and wont play every week.
Ricky Henderson - His value was last year, when he was elevated from the rookie list. Hopefully plays most of the year but his inconsistency may see him in and out of the side.
Sam Jacobs - Excited by this guy. Crows got him for a reason, but he stills need to win that No. 1 ruck spot from Maric and Moran. With the new sub rule, teams may be more likely to play just 1 ruckman, so hard to judge. Check preseason. If he starts round 1 of the main AFL season, jump on.
Matthew Jaensch - Has silky skills, but will likely play a small forward role, which will always generate inconsistent scores.
Graham Johncock - Arguably our most important player. Unless injured, there’s no question he will play all year. He's in his prime - a solid choice for your defence.
Chris Knights - I want to pick this guy. I really do. He is undervalued, but durability remains a concern. Had a slight groin strain a few weeks ago but seems ok now. He will be in and out of my SC all the way until round 1. Need to play with my head, not my heart!
Jarryd Lyons - Needs another year or two. Unlikely to play this year.
David Mackay - The club was hoping that the offseason would heal his ailing groin soreness, but once he hit the track, it flared up again. He had surgery and is likely to play 2nd or 3rd round of NAB cup. His lack of preseason fitness means Ill stay away.
Ivan Maric - Competing with Jacobs and Moran for the number one ruck spot. He'll play games, but I dont expect 22 of them. Also, doesn’t get many possessions around the ground. There are better options for your ruck.
Brodie Martin - He has played only 4 games, but already looks to have a very promising future at AFL. Takes the game on, has good skills, tackles and has an AFL body. However, with his solid game in round 22 last year where he was one of our best against the Saints, he is priced too high for my liking. I need to see a player put out that sort of performance for a longer period before I invest in them.
Shaun McKernan - Almost got a game last year, and the new sub rule will suit him, given his flexibility to play forward, ruck and defence. Will get games this year and is well priced. I'd consider him for your bench. NAB cup will be critical for him.
Brad Moran - Missed all of last year with a knee injury but is doing really well this presason. Would probably be behind Maric and Jacobs for a ruck spot, but possesses a bit more flexible, which the other two don’t really have. And Craighy loves players who are flexible.
Andy Otten - Lock him in! Hasn’t missed a beat this preseason. He looks bigger, stronger, and will slot nicely in defence. May even get some midfield time this year. Only concern is whether he will be used as the sub but a guy this talented should be playing the whole game.
Jared Petrenko - Played as a forward last year, but seems better suited as a defender. Might get an opportunity but doubt he'll play more than 10 games.
Jason Porplyzia - Seems to be over the injuries that plagued him last preseason. Training well, looking fit, strong and ready to go. A solid pick.
Brent Reilly - Durable and consistent. Won’t give you massive scores but won’t give you bad scores either. Dont expect him to improve this season in SC numbers.
Ben Rutten - Also durable and consistent, but will never be a high scorer or a massive accumulator of possessions. I wouldn’t pick him.
James Seller – He desperately needs a big year, or could be in some trouble come end of 2011. Like McKernan, sub rule will suit him, since he is a hybrid ruckman who can play forward and back. Injury hurt his season in 2010, but I still dont think he'll play every week in 2011. In SC terms, dont expect numbers to rise all that much.
Sam Shaw - Injury has ruined his preseason, and he's still a little raw. Dont pick him.
Rory Sloane - Love this kid. He’s a tackling machine. Gets half his possessions from contested footy, which generally means his SC scores stay <100. Maybe wait until 2012 where he could become elite. I still feel he is a year away.
Brodie Smith - Seems to be training well. Played against the big boys in the SANFL last year, and should get some opportunities, but there are better rookies that will make you more cash. Craig tends to put a lot of development into his kids before they get chances.
Scott Stevens - Flexible and durable, but I wouldn’t pick him. He won’t improve his SC numbers on last year.
Brad Symes - Guilty of the occasional turnover but is a solid choice. Dont expect his numbers to improve a great deal.
Daniel Talia - Has a couple preseasons under his belt and is a man child - 19 years old but has an AFL body ready to go. I expect him to play this year, but maybe 5-10 games. As long as Stevens, Davis, Otten and Rutten are in defence, he'll have a tough time gaining a spot.
Richard Tambling - Crows fans are excited about what Tambling brings. What he'll deliver is anyone's guess. He had a minor knee operation early in the preseason but is back to full training. I'd expect him to slot in nicely on the HBF. Less pressure in SA and a fresh start means he could become a terrific player.
Luke Thompson - Had a solid season at SANFL level last year. Like Talia, may get games this season but we have plenty of stocks in defence, so it will be hard for him.
Scott Thompson - Last year he was carrying some knee tendonitis and started slowly, but seems injury free and having a great preseason. He’s our best midfielder, and a great unique pick for your side. I expect his numbers to rise approx.10 SC points per game and have a career year.
Kurt Tippett - Looks like he'll spend the year permanently at FF, which means his scores will be inconsistent. He is always a focal point for the crows kicking inside 50, but with the emergence of Walker, I dont see his numbers improving a great deal. Maybe 5-10 SC points increase.
Nathan van Berlo - the new captain has been an animal this preseason, winning all the time trials and leading by example. Expect similar output again for this year, maybe a slight improvement. But he has never been a big accumulator of possessions.
Bernie Vince – There is little to no cartilage left in his knee, so it's something he'll have to manage the rest of his career. I expect him to miss games here and there throughout the year. Has also been sidelined since December with knee surgery so will lack match fitness. Hold off initially, but if he looks healthy, pounce before the price rise.
Taylor Walker - the Texas Ranger is one of our best performers on the training track. His endurance is at midfield level, he is looking really strong (just check the pics from our training reports) and he looks prime for a big year. As with all forwards, he'll be a little inconsistent, but he should improve on his 2010 numbers, particularly if he plays across the half forward line.
Will Young - Managing a few injuries through preseason but regardless, I dont think he'll ever be a high SC scorer. Pass on him.
ROOKIES
Ian Callinan - Hoping he is the Barlow of this year. He’s only small in stature but he is experienced (28 years old) and one of the SANFL's best players. Was best on ground for Centrals in their premiership last season, and we expect him to slot in nicely and fill the small forward position that the crows have missed for so many years. Definitely put him on your bench as a cash cow.
Sam Martyn - This guy is an absolute running machine, and almost knocked off van Berlo in the 3km run yesterday. Unlikely to see any games this year though.
Tim Milera - Snatched him in the Rookie Draft, and is compared to Eddie Betts. Might see a bit of action this year, but I wouldn’t consider him.
Aiden Riley - Will need another solid season at SANFL level this year. Consider him for 2012.
Lachlan Roach - Will need to establish himself at SANFL level and build on his small frame. Craig will develop him for a while yet.
Chris Schmidt - Despite playing last season due to our injuries, he is carrying a knee injury right now. Regardless, dont pick him.
Jake von Bertouch - Highly doubt he'll see game time this season.
Matthew Wright - Had a great season at SANFL last year. In terms of being elevated, I think Callinan will move to the senior list before Wright does. Can’t see him playing in 2011 unless injuries hit the team.
SENIORS
Tony Armstrong - Will be banned for a month following a DUI infringement. Will need to work hard to win back his spot in the side, but is a fringe player right now.
Myke Cook - Disposal lets him down, which hurts you in SC. May get some opportunities this year but there are other midfielders ahead of him. Could be a make-or-break year for him.
James Craig - All our ruckman are firing right now, and Craig is probably 4th or 5th in line. Also carrying an injury which doesn’t help his cause. Can’t see him playing this year.
Patrick Dangerfield - Having a great preseason and barring injury, will be a certain starter in round 1. Last year we were hoping for a break out year. This could be the year that he puts it all together. His lack of uncontested possession and disposal skills at full speed can hurt you in SC though.
Phil Davis - He is clean with his possession and will take over at CHB in the role left vacant by Bock. Dont expect his scores to increase dramatically.
Michael Doughty - Solid and durable pick but his best is behind him. I expect his scores to start declining.
Richard Douglas - Career year last year, but I dont see him taking another huge leap forward. Durable player but a bit overpriced IMO.
Jack Gunston - Plays the Robert Murphy type role across half forward. May get opportunities this year but is too overpriced and wont play every week.
Ricky Henderson - His value was last year, when he was elevated from the rookie list. Hopefully plays most of the year but his inconsistency may see him in and out of the side.
Sam Jacobs - Excited by this guy. Crows got him for a reason, but he stills need to win that No. 1 ruck spot from Maric and Moran. With the new sub rule, teams may be more likely to play just 1 ruckman, so hard to judge. Check preseason. If he starts round 1 of the main AFL season, jump on.
Matthew Jaensch - Has silky skills, but will likely play a small forward role, which will always generate inconsistent scores.
Graham Johncock - Arguably our most important player. Unless injured, there’s no question he will play all year. He's in his prime - a solid choice for your defence.
Chris Knights - I want to pick this guy. I really do. He is undervalued, but durability remains a concern. Had a slight groin strain a few weeks ago but seems ok now. He will be in and out of my SC all the way until round 1. Need to play with my head, not my heart!
Jarryd Lyons - Needs another year or two. Unlikely to play this year.
David Mackay - The club was hoping that the offseason would heal his ailing groin soreness, but once he hit the track, it flared up again. He had surgery and is likely to play 2nd or 3rd round of NAB cup. His lack of preseason fitness means Ill stay away.
Ivan Maric - Competing with Jacobs and Moran for the number one ruck spot. He'll play games, but I dont expect 22 of them. Also, doesn’t get many possessions around the ground. There are better options for your ruck.
Brodie Martin - He has played only 4 games, but already looks to have a very promising future at AFL. Takes the game on, has good skills, tackles and has an AFL body. However, with his solid game in round 22 last year where he was one of our best against the Saints, he is priced too high for my liking. I need to see a player put out that sort of performance for a longer period before I invest in them.
Shaun McKernan - Almost got a game last year, and the new sub rule will suit him, given his flexibility to play forward, ruck and defence. Will get games this year and is well priced. I'd consider him for your bench. NAB cup will be critical for him.
Brad Moran - Missed all of last year with a knee injury but is doing really well this presason. Would probably be behind Maric and Jacobs for a ruck spot, but possesses a bit more flexible, which the other two don’t really have. And Craighy loves players who are flexible.
Andy Otten - Lock him in! Hasn’t missed a beat this preseason. He looks bigger, stronger, and will slot nicely in defence. May even get some midfield time this year. Only concern is whether he will be used as the sub but a guy this talented should be playing the whole game.
Jared Petrenko - Played as a forward last year, but seems better suited as a defender. Might get an opportunity but doubt he'll play more than 10 games.
Jason Porplyzia - Seems to be over the injuries that plagued him last preseason. Training well, looking fit, strong and ready to go. A solid pick.
Brent Reilly - Durable and consistent. Won’t give you massive scores but won’t give you bad scores either. Dont expect him to improve this season in SC numbers.
Ben Rutten - Also durable and consistent, but will never be a high scorer or a massive accumulator of possessions. I wouldn’t pick him.
James Seller – He desperately needs a big year, or could be in some trouble come end of 2011. Like McKernan, sub rule will suit him, since he is a hybrid ruckman who can play forward and back. Injury hurt his season in 2010, but I still dont think he'll play every week in 2011. In SC terms, dont expect numbers to rise all that much.
Sam Shaw - Injury has ruined his preseason, and he's still a little raw. Dont pick him.
Rory Sloane - Love this kid. He’s a tackling machine. Gets half his possessions from contested footy, which generally means his SC scores stay <100. Maybe wait until 2012 where he could become elite. I still feel he is a year away.
Brodie Smith - Seems to be training well. Played against the big boys in the SANFL last year, and should get some opportunities, but there are better rookies that will make you more cash. Craig tends to put a lot of development into his kids before they get chances.
Scott Stevens - Flexible and durable, but I wouldn’t pick him. He won’t improve his SC numbers on last year.
Brad Symes - Guilty of the occasional turnover but is a solid choice. Dont expect his numbers to improve a great deal.
Daniel Talia - Has a couple preseasons under his belt and is a man child - 19 years old but has an AFL body ready to go. I expect him to play this year, but maybe 5-10 games. As long as Stevens, Davis, Otten and Rutten are in defence, he'll have a tough time gaining a spot.
Richard Tambling - Crows fans are excited about what Tambling brings. What he'll deliver is anyone's guess. He had a minor knee operation early in the preseason but is back to full training. I'd expect him to slot in nicely on the HBF. Less pressure in SA and a fresh start means he could become a terrific player.
Luke Thompson - Had a solid season at SANFL level last year. Like Talia, may get games this season but we have plenty of stocks in defence, so it will be hard for him.
Scott Thompson - Last year he was carrying some knee tendonitis and started slowly, but seems injury free and having a great preseason. He’s our best midfielder, and a great unique pick for your side. I expect his numbers to rise approx.10 SC points per game and have a career year.
Kurt Tippett - Looks like he'll spend the year permanently at FF, which means his scores will be inconsistent. He is always a focal point for the crows kicking inside 50, but with the emergence of Walker, I dont see his numbers improving a great deal. Maybe 5-10 SC points increase.
Nathan van Berlo - the new captain has been an animal this preseason, winning all the time trials and leading by example. Expect similar output again for this year, maybe a slight improvement. But he has never been a big accumulator of possessions.
Bernie Vince – There is little to no cartilage left in his knee, so it's something he'll have to manage the rest of his career. I expect him to miss games here and there throughout the year. Has also been sidelined since December with knee surgery so will lack match fitness. Hold off initially, but if he looks healthy, pounce before the price rise.
Taylor Walker - the Texas Ranger is one of our best performers on the training track. His endurance is at midfield level, he is looking really strong (just check the pics from our training reports) and he looks prime for a big year. As with all forwards, he'll be a little inconsistent, but he should improve on his 2010 numbers, particularly if he plays across the half forward line.
Will Young - Managing a few injuries through preseason but regardless, I dont think he'll ever be a high SC scorer. Pass on him.
ROOKIES
Ian Callinan - Hoping he is the Barlow of this year. He’s only small in stature but he is experienced (28 years old) and one of the SANFL's best players. Was best on ground for Centrals in their premiership last season, and we expect him to slot in nicely and fill the small forward position that the crows have missed for so many years. Definitely put him on your bench as a cash cow.
Sam Martyn - This guy is an absolute running machine, and almost knocked off van Berlo in the 3km run yesterday. Unlikely to see any games this year though.
Tim Milera - Snatched him in the Rookie Draft, and is compared to Eddie Betts. Might see a bit of action this year, but I wouldn’t consider him.
Aiden Riley - Will need another solid season at SANFL level this year. Consider him for 2012.
Lachlan Roach - Will need to establish himself at SANFL level and build on his small frame. Craig will develop him for a while yet.
Chris Schmidt - Despite playing last season due to our injuries, he is carrying a knee injury right now. Regardless, dont pick him.
Jake von Bertouch - Highly doubt he'll see game time this season.
Matthew Wright - Had a great season at SANFL last year. In terms of being elevated, I think Callinan will move to the senior list before Wright does. Can’t see him playing in 2011 unless injuries hit the team.
Good assessments there. I'd have to disagree with your read on VB though. His 2010 season was ruined by injury and his price reflects this. He's had a solid pre-season, so we should be expecting to see an improved performance from him this year.
I'm a bit with Vader in that I think a full preseason should see a decent improvement in van Berlo's numbers. Also he's the kind of guy who would relish his leadership role and really step up because of it. Has shown in the past, when released from negating roles, that he can amass some pretty decent numbers.
I probably wouldn't consider him for SC, but could be a good get for DT, he's certainly one I'm strongly considering.
Vince I wouldn't worry too much about, hasn't had a great preseason on account of his knee injury. Maybe keep an eye on during the later parts of the preseason cup and early H&A games, he'll probably start off a little slow and hence drop in value and thus could present a good target for say rounds 6-8, similar to Dean Cox last year.
At the moment I'm having real trouble resisting the urge to include both Martin and Sloane in my side.
In 3 of his 4 games, Martin has really shown that he belongs at AFL level. Knows how to find the footy, breaks the lines well, is quite a clever player and generally disposes of the ball pretty well. By all reports is also having a great preseason too. I think there's a good chance he could average well into the 90's, question is, is whether he'll get the opportunity.
As for Sloane, well the blokes attitude and approach to his footy has got to be second to none. Whilst not perhaps blessed with much natural ability, he is an extremely smart player, in that he knows how to play to his strengths and weaknesses. He doesn't try to be something he's not. Hopefully should receive a lot more midfield time this year, so I'd expect his possession count to rise into the early to mid 20's. I'm not sure why KingJames worries about his high contested possession count re Supercoach as last year he averaged 12 more points in SC than in DT. His disposal under pressure, especially by hand, is also top notch and he racks up clearances and tackles too.
Do you guys have a rookie spot open? Loving the thought of Callinan playing round 1 due to his rookie price and DP
We do.. and Callinan is the hot favourite to take it.. provided the AFC decide to promote him. This is by no means a certainty, given that we'll have an (almost) full list to choose from for a change.
He did show last year vs. Brisbane that he is capable of big games. I forget he is only 24, so there's every chance he could have a career year.
James
I'm on the Brodie Martin bandwagon. Averaging 80ish in SC in his 4 games!!!
His run and carry looks really suited to SC. A bit pricbut you will have to risk some mid pricers somewhere due t the structure this year
Sloane not getting enough of it yet/ not using quite well enough to consider
I'm on the Brodie Martin bandwagon. Averaging 80ish in SC in his 4 games!!!
His run and carry looks really suited to SC. A bit pricbut you will have to risk some mid pricers somewhere due t the structure this year
Sloane not getting enough of it yet/ not using quite well enough to consider
If we're talking about types of players, I'd much prefer an outside running player who kicks more, particularly long distances. Sloane is more of a close in player, and tends to handball quite a bit, which doesn't score as well as possessions by foot.
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Yeah Vince is all but out of my equations for round 1.
That's an interesting take on van Berlo, he could be in and out of my side up until round 1. How often does he get these negating roles, and do you think he'll get a lot of negating roles this season? I'll admit that I have not seen that much of van Berlo, how is his disposal efficiency?
I haven't seen much of Brodie Martin either (don't get to see Crows games as often as I would like
). Is he someone you would pick over a player like Shaun Burgoyne (who's under a bit of an injury cloud atm) or David Swallow based on the limited games that he has had and on potential?I've seen Sloane play and rate him quite highly, but I'm not too sure about him in Supercoach.
Again, thank you for the opinions, you guys a very helpful
Generally yes, but then last year Sloane averaged only 15 touches and yet managed a SC average of 75, which suggests he doesn't have any problems scoring under the Champion Data system. IMO this would relate to the fact that the quality of each disposal is taken into account, including things such as clearances, hard-ball gets, efficiency, goal assists, interception of opposition passes etc things which Sloane does extremely well.
Not saying he's the be all and end all pick, just that he wouldn't be a bad one. Although I do generally hate picking up blokes who are in that $170-400k band. The price of failure is a lot higher than a rookie pick and they're not the safe bet that your $400k+ type player is. Hence isn't currently in my team, although all depends on preseason cup.
Yeah Vince is all but out of my equations for round 1.
That's an interesting take on van Berlo, he could be in and out of my side up until round 1. How often does he get these negating roles, and do you think he'll get a lot of negating roles this season? I'll admit that I have not seen that much of van Berlo, how is his disposal efficiency?
I haven't seen much of Brodie Martin either (don't get to see Crows games as often as I would like
I've seen Sloane play and rate him quite highly, but I'm not too sure about him in Supercoach.
Again, thank you for the opinions, you guys a very helpful
Re van Berlo, he's probably going to get that negating role less and less, as Captain I think he'll be called upon to become more of an offensive midfielder. Definitely one to keep an eye on, he's one I could see increasing his average to about 95ish in DT (not really the SC type), but then it could remain around his current 80ish as well.
Martin is a tough one. Has only played 4 games, 2 in '09 and 2 in '10, having recovered from a Knee Reco in between. So there's still a lot of unknown about him, however he has shown some great signs at AFL level. Would I take him over David Swallow? Hell no! Shaun Burgoyne? Perhaps, but then they're in completely different price brackets so tough to compare. Personally, I wouldn't be too keen on Burgoyne, too much risk re injury for a bloke as expensive as he is.
As in, which Adelaide midfielders would be the first to get tagged? Or, which player would be Adelaide's #1 tagger?
Most likely to get tagged:
1. Scott Thompson
2. Bernie Vince (if fit)
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3. Chris Knights
4. Richard Douglas
???
Seriously, I doubt anyone would bother tagging any Crows players other than the top 2.
Most likely taggers:
1. Reilly
2. Doughty
3. VB
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4. Sloane
Stiffy got a bit of tagging last year. Hawks did it well.
He should get tagged, he's very important. But it's hard to tag an attacking back pocket who can defend, and is as comfortable on the goal line as he is on the half back line.
He should get tagged, he's very important. But it's hard to tag an attacking back pocket who can defend, and is as comfortable on the goal line as he is on the half back line.
Stiffy in the last 10 years has never been a top trainer. Generally blends in with the group. But no injury concerns. He may be playing in the all star game tonight (or is it cancelled?). But a very safe pick for your defence. He is pretty durable, and crows defence always racks up the possessions.
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