Drug innuendo: Post all comments here. Previous threads merged.

[blackcat]

In everyday life I have no major problem with occasional rec drug use.
In this situation i do though. These guys are obviously flaunting the rules in place, with no concern for their teammates, families and fans.
It's just downright selfish. It's naive and it's stupid. Names have been leaked before and they will leak again.

beg to differ, I think you come off selfish with your platitudes, in this perfect catch 22.

why should they be held to a different standard to every other adult in their 20's?

You don't test them, no one knows they are doing a little blow or ecstasy on the side 'cept those who walk in the same circles, and then they would be hypocrites.

As long as they are all adequately counselled as to risks and potential ASADA sanctions for stimulants, then it is their choice. Bill Clinton did not inhale!

Come on, why are we accepting this conservative value, that really only a few Hillsong folk hold, mired in the values of the 50's with Howard. OK, there is too much THC or whatever active ingredient in modern hydroponic buds, but, if the proportion of the population is so high that have dabbled on occasions, why do we accept conservative dogma?

Alcohol, cigarettes, heck, solariums are more dangerous. But no ASX 100 companies have their lobbies behind cocaine etc.

Calm down, get the players adequate counselling, and make it their decision. If you are not adequately satisfied, ship them out and trade them and change the culture.

So Dermott is not on the board anymore I believe, well, I for one would like to see the lines of cocaine and other gear that are consumed at end of season soirees like the Footy Show final edition. I would expect every person involved in that showed has dabbled on occasion. Does not make them less of a quality person, if indeed they were to begin with. Just the culture.

The more concern would be the trickling of anecdotes re:misogyny or groupie culture. That would be of greater concern. But hey, its a football club, lets pander to conservative values, get rid of the real public concern, drugs, and ignore the more insidious of problems... but that is just the way ain't it

 

[Embers]

Sorry, last time I checked, noone on the public record from Hawthorn has taken drugs.

I doubt many people besides the very select few still hold this opinion. In the end peoples opinions will end up being known as fact if it put across enough times. Last time I checked no one on public record said Chad Fletcher has taken drugs but thats what everyone has assumed and believe.

 

[blackcat]

The whole drug issue is an interesting one, its quiet funny how the Government, other sports and media have a go at the AFL drugs policy - maybe they should introduce drug testing for illicit drugs at their workplace, oh hang on there would be too many positive tests results!

The AFL is the only code that tests for illicit drugs not just performance enhancing drugs - out of season as well! Basically if you and I were told at our workplace that we are to have random drug testing during our work days and our holidays we would kick up a stink and claim an invasion of our privacy and the unions would be all over it. However the AFL and players association have to be recognised that they test for these drugs, we are not talking about steroids or EPO's or anything that will affect their performance on the field or gain them an advantage in a game, we are talking about a social problem and if you looked at the amount of drug use in 18-30 years in society in general it would possibly be a higher percentage than what we are talking about in AFL circles.

WRONG. Cycling does atleast, assume other sports might. The ASADA may not, so to get the most out of its limited budget. Makes sense.

But do not perpetuate this, it is misinformation. The AFL and the PA like to use this, as leverage, when it is wrong!


I agree with your underlying point however on recreational drugs.

 

[Pessimistic]

Whats your opinion on Mr Jeff Kennet now, Remember he was the one calling for Cousins to get banned for the entire season etc. Do you think he 1) knew about this or 2) looks a bit dumb now

So wrong

 

[Audacious]

This issue will have a big silver lining for Hawthorn. It will unite all the players, and with Finals just 1.5 weeks away that is the best thing possible. West Coast came out at the beginning of the season and won 6 games straight on the back of the emotion that built up during the pre-season, and no doubt the Hawks players with all the media and public flak they are copping, will go into the finals series taking out their frustrations and emotion on opposition clubs.

Id go as far as tipping Hawthorn to knock off Geelong in the first week of the finals if you play them.

 

[Pessimistic]

This issue will have a big silver lining for Hawthorn. It will unite all the players, and with Finals just 1.5 weeks away that is the best thing possible. West Coast came out at the beginning of the season and won 6 games straight on the back of the emotion that built up during the pre-season, and no doubt the Hawks players with all the media and public flak they are copping, will go into the finals series taking out their frustrations and emotion on opposition clubs.

Id go as far as tipping Hawthorn to knock off Geelong in the first week of the finals if you play them.

I thought that but I wondered if friday-sunday was enough time to build up the anger - looking at sunday it was enough time.

its not going to work if we meet the eagles though is it ? Imagine the sledging "I heard you can't hold your coke you wuss !"

 

[Linda Crescent]

Crikey:- The AFL drug scandal: no public interest and no ethics
DATE: TUESDAY, 28 AUGUST 2007
Denis Muller* writes:

In the absence of any evidence to show there was a public interest in publishing the medical records of two AFL players, it appears that Channel Seven and its reporter Dylan Howard are in breach of both the television industry’s code of practice and the code of ethics of the journalism profession.

Paragraph 4.3.5 of the industry code says that licensees must not use material relating to a person’s personal or private affairs, or which invades an individual’s privacy, other than where there is an identifiable public interest in broadcasting the material.

Clause 11 of the profession’s code of ethics says that journalists must respect private grief and personal privacy.

Medical records are about as private as it gets, except for intimate personal correspondence. It follows that the publishing of them must serve an equivalently strong public interest.

On what we know at the moment, there is no public interest at all in the publication of this material, and Channel Seven has not argued so far that there is. Perhaps an argument will emerge when the matter comes before the Victorian Supreme Court again, probably on Thursday.

On Friday the court issued an injunction restraining further publication. The reasons have not been published yet.

Gross though it appears to be, the breach of privacy is only one of the ethical issues raised by the conduct of Channel Seven and Dylan Howard in this matter.

Another concerns the channel’s decision to pay a reported $3000 for the information, and the steps it took prior to publication to verify the legitimacy of the means by which it had been obtained, and its authenticity.

Paying for information –so-called chequebook journalism – raises many ethical questions, including why the informant wants payment in the first place, how reliable it might be, and whether the fact that it was purchased should be disclosed to the audience.

We are not going to get answers to these questions any time soon because two people have now been charged with theft in relation to medical documents reported stolen from a rehabilitation centre.

Dylan Howard has been quoted as saying he took at face value the claim of his source that she had found the documents in a gutter outside a medical clinic in Ivanhoe, a north-eastern suburb of Melbourne. This indicates that little was done to verify the legitimacy or authenticity of the material.

Channel Seven was asked to provide for use in this article its editorial policies concerning paying for information, verifying the legitimacy of the means by which it had been obtained, and authenticating its contents prior to publication.

The Australian Communications and Media Authority, which has ultimate responsibility for holding television licensees to account for breaches of the industry code, was also asked whether it was investigating the case.

At the time of publication, neither had responded.


*Dr Muller is a Visiting Fellow in the Centre for Applied Philosophy and Public Ethics at the University of Melbourne.

http://www.crikey.com.au/Media-and-...scandal-No-public-interest-and-no-ethics.html

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

beg to differ, I think you come off selfish with your platitudes, in this perfect catch 22.

why should they be held to a different standard to every other adult in their 20's?

You don't test them, no one knows they are doing a little blow or ecstasy on the side 'cept those who walk in the same circles, and then they would be hypocrites.

As long as they are all adequately counselled as to risks and potential ASADA sanctions for stimulants, then it is their choice. Bill Clinton did not inhale!

Come on, why are we accepting this conservative value, that really only a few Hillsong folk hold, mired in the values of the 50's with Howard. OK, there is too much THC or whatever active ingredient in modern hydroponic buds, but, if the proportion of the population is so high that have dabbled on occasions, why do we accept conservative dogma?

Alcohol, cigarettes, heck, solariums are more dangerous. But no ASX 100 companies have their lobbies behind cocaine etc.

Calm down, get the players adequate counselling, and make it their decision. If you are not adequately satisfied, ship them out and trade them and change the culture.

So Dermott is not on the board anymore I believe, well, I for one would like to see the lines of cocaine and other gear that are consumed at end of season soirees like the Footy Show final edition. I would expect every person involved in that showed has dabbled on occasion. Does not make them less of a quality person, if indeed they were to begin with. Just the culture.

The more concern would be the trickling of anecdotes re:misogyny or groupie culture. That would be of greater concern. But hey, its a football club, lets pander to conservative values, get rid of the real public concern, drugs, and ignore the more insidious of problems... but that is just the way ain't it

It is selfish if they do what they have done in the knowledge that they are allowed 2 strikes before being outed.
It means they have no regard for the reputation of their teammates who do everything right. It means they are putting their own enjoyment ahead of the good name of the club. It means they do not care about the likes of my son with their number on their back.
Given how easily names came out last year, they should know that the same can happen to them.

If between now and then they have admitted their wrongdoing and have vowed to discontinue their behaviour then thats great. I hope in between there has been an apology to their teammates as well.

I'm not judging the person, I am merely commenting on their behaviour and the effect it can have.
If a star player gets rubbed out for being an idiot on field in a prelim final I would comment that that is selfish as well.

 

[macdaddio]

Channel 7 is no longer tuned in on my upstairs TV, and even the better half offered to boycott the station, considering Sunrise is her fave show, that's a serious commitment to our club, and she doesn't even follow the footy.

So, that's it then, no more watching 7, pretty simple really isn't it?

i told my wife there will be no longer channel 7 in this house.. she laughed at me and said there is 3 tv,s in the house, i told her she has to stand by me and not watch channel 7


didnt help much..............

 

[Gary Shadforth]

i told my wife there will be no longer channel 7 in this house.. she laughed at me and said there is 3 tv,s in the house, i told her she has to stand by me and not watch channel 7


didnt help much..............

I hope you win some of the domestics, macca .

 

[PADJUAN]

i told my wife there will be no longer channel 7 in this house.. she laughed at me and said there is 3 tv,s in the house, i told her she has to stand by me and not watch channel 7


didnt help much..............

youll need to re programme ch 7 so its scrambled and stash the TV manuals!!

 

[MacMum]

Ch7 will still be viewed in our house........we like to watch our footy teams play, if not at the game.......and we prefer their overall news program......they did not name your players.......the story tho, was suss from the start............my concern is that the AFL is wanting to "shoot the messenger" rather than face the reality of a real problem across our whole game.........your Hawks will get through this, hasn't dented the teams efforts as far as I can see........so chin up guys, and look forward to the finals!!

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

Those of u refusing to watch 7, I hope you go the whole hog and refuse to buy the Ferral Hun as well. They are at court as well trying to override the injunction.

 

[phillm1]

I got home from work today and my wife was watching chanel crap so i siad " what are you doing you cany watch that chanel so i changed it and xplained why she also siad good luck " well let me tell you the TV still has not tuned into 7 and it wont..

 

[Roughie]

Idols to good to miss

 

[subfocus99]

What does annoy is people who think they have the right to stick there snotty nose into other peoples private lives and pass judgement.

And i certainly do not contest that. Hutchy chasing Cuz for example, disgrace.

 

[marto9000]

i was told of the names today by an afl player and they are 2 really big names

 

[kirbatron]

hmmm.. i received an attachment that had the seven names on it..

however one of the big names that i was originally told was not on that list...

i'm sure what i was sent was garbage .. dunnooo

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

Re: What this all means....

Convenient how she just found these documents don't you think??
You don't just leave confidential documents in a street.

funny thing is she said she found the place shut , the place that was meant to be shut is a 24hr clinic so she lied though he teeth ! from what i hear

 

[Pessimistic]

hmmm.. i received an attachment that had the seven names on it..

however one of the big names that i was originally told was not on that list...

i'm sure what i was sent was garbage .. dunnooo

Snow white and her seven dwarves ?

 

[Pessimistic]

Those of u refusing to watch 7, I hope you go the whole hog and refuse to buy the Ferral Hun as well. They are at court as well trying to override the injunction.

Gonna be tough when desperate hosewives comes back

 

[Mojo]

Gonna be tough when desperate hosewives comes back

Why do they still show Mash on tv! OMG it's sooo crap! Arrghh..

 

[Bulldog4life]

Re: We are the Family Club

Go and get your 1 premiership cup out of the museum and take a look at it. You will never see another one.

I think you'll find he's not a Bulldog supporter. Have a look at his previous posts. Posts nothing on our board. One of these strange people, and there are many on BigFooty, who claim they follow a specific team when you just know they don't.

 

[Bulldog4life]

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Re: We are the Family Club
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bombers1234
ive got news for u mate. you ARE the new eagles. all the shit that ppl have been giving the eagles is now gonna be all directed towards you guys..have fun

Its true....the fact all these hawks supporters starting these threads shows they need self-reassurance so the attacks are getting to them.


Sorry guys for my last post didn't explain much. This is the poster I'm referring to. Cheers.

 

[macdaddio]

i was told of the names today by an afl player and they are 2 really big names

by knowing these players names does it change how you feel about them or the club?

i only know the club but have no idea of the players involved..


i,m very curious as to why these players and the club are not taking legal action againts C7...