Traded Dylan Shiel [traded with future 2nd to Essendon for #9 and future 1st round pick]

[Strapping Young Lad]

There is no way that Hawks will get both of those players. Saying you will is just being delusional. As there aren’t many players of value that Hawks would trade I can’t see them getting anything of value to get the deals done.

I feel like you copied this post from a JOM or Tom thread in 2016.

 

[TylerDurden]

By the way Blues, don’t trade away your 2019 pick 1 at this rate. Rowell carving em up today and a pick 1 certainty next year.

 

[CFC_#17]

I feel like you copied this post from a JOM or Tom thread in 2016.

Neither of those player were contracted.

 

[jooce8891]

Except of course all those players that contributed nothing, to the 2 win season.

or maybe the majority of them are 18-20 year olds trying to help but cant do enough because of the age?

 

[newblueo]

Why on earth would we swap pick 8 for 2 second rounders?

Was just a example man. Pick 14 an 25 for 8..

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Neither of those player were contracted.

That’s nice, dear.

 

[Forty3]

By the way Blues, don’t trade away your 2019 pick 1 at this rate. Rowell carving em up today and a pick 1 certainty next year.

I’ll take one Bianco please.

 

[TallyHawk]

I hope the AFL does the right thing and offers Hawthorn some priority or compensation type picks to help them get Shiel and Wingard over the line. They've been down for too long and it's not good for the competition having them out of a Grand Final for so many consecutive years.

You make a great point.


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[carlton2dabone]

I feel like you copied this post from a JOM or Tom thread in 2016.

You do realise that the only reason hawks got JOM was because my club did your club a favour at literally the last minute of trade week.

Without SOS and Bolton helping his old mentor Clarke out, JOM never gets to hawks.

So please, don’t use JOM trade to validate your delusions about getting both Wingard and Shiel lol

 

[Iceman!]

You do realise that the only reason hawks got JOM was because my club did your club a favour at literally the last minute of trade week.

Without SOS and Bolton helping his old mentor Clarke out, JOM never gets to hawks.

So please, don’t use JOM trade to validate your delusions about getting both Wingard and Shiel lol

Blues fans keep trotting this out... The Blues did us no favours, they came out of that trade well. Professional AFL clubs don't make bad trades to help out mates.

 

[Great8]

I feel like you copied this post from a JOM or Tom thread in 2016.

And you can’t see the difference.
Mitchell was out of contract and Swans had no leverage at all.
GWS and Port will want two first rounders each for their contracted players. Your pick 14 plus next years first would be required to get just one of them. Hawthorn are a very well run club and I’d think they would baulk at that and wait until they are FA’s next year and pick them up for far less

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

And you can’t see the difference.
Mitchell was out of contract and Swans had no leverage at all.
GWS and Port will want two first rounders each for their contracted players. Your pick 14 plus next years first would be required to get just one of them. Hawthorn are a very well run club and I’d think they would baulk at that and wait until they are FA’s next year and pick them up for far less

You can only hope.

 

[Dave]

Why on earth would we swap pick 8 for 2 second rounders?

Particularly to assist in obtaining a player we are supposedly interested in.

 

[Holy Rioli]

That’s nice, dear.

It feels like GWS are asking Shiel to move on because of their salary cap situation - reckon our 1st rounder and a small amount of pick shuffling will get that one done - same cost at Mitchell.

Wingard - Port want 2 1st rounders, but they have put him on the table, he didn't ask to leave. Reckon a future 1st and a 2nd rounder this year (and possibly one of our fringe SA talls in O'Brien, Brand or Schoey) gets the job done. Port still end up better off than FA compo in 12 months time.

Wonder how much we get for Rioli if he decides to play on next year? Might have more picks for a 3rd role player type to come in.

Reckon we can easily get both deals done.

 

[Giant Strides]

It feels like GWS are asking Shiel to move on because of their salary cap situation - reckon our 1st rounder and a small amount of pick shuffling will get that one done - same cost at Mitchell.

GWS has said it's increasingly confidant of retaining Shiel - no way will a single Hawks' first rounder will suffice.

 

[Procrastinator35]

GWS has said it's increasingly confidant of retaining Shiel - no way will a single Hawks' first rounder will suffice.

Because it's becoming increasingly obvious that none of Carlton, Essendon or St.Kilda have been able to sway him.....LOL.

 

[Giant Strides]

Because it's becoming increasingly obvious that none of Carlton, Essendon or St.Kilda have been able to sway him.....LOL.

So you agree that Hawks won't get him for a solitary first rounder.

 

[Procrastinator35]

So you agree that Hawks won't get him for a solitary first rounder.

That's not what I said.....If GWS don't want to deal with us, then we'll just pick him up next year for free anyways.

 

[Bostonian]

Because it's becoming increasingly obvious that none of Carlton, Essendon or St.Kilda have been able to sway him.....LOL.

This is prime example of "made up stuff" on the internet kids.

 

[SurreyBlue]

This is prime example of "made up stuff" on the internet kids.

Let them enjoy Bostonian.....we’ll be back at the right time.

 

[hk89]

Neither of those player were contracted.

From memory, I don't think either of them were about to become RFAs next year either.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Hawthorn only just got the currency together to get the JOM deal done in the end (including having lost Brad Hill to get them one of the picks they used to get pick 10) and he along with Titch was OOC, so they would be massively up against it to get both Shiel and Wingard this offseason.

Their picks would not be of great interest to either Port or GWS, and they won't be able to trade their future 2nd if they trade their future first, so they'll really only have two firsts and a 2nd, and that won't even come close, I don't imagine.

 

[hk89]

And you can’t see the difference.
Mitchell was out of contract and Swans had no leverage at all.
GWS and Port will want two first rounders each for their contracted players. Your pick 14 plus next years first would be required to get just one of them. Hawthorn are a very well run club and I’d think they would baulk at that and wait until they are FA’s next year and pick them up for far less

Exactly. Swans did have leverage, and in fact could been seen to have had more leverage than GWS will have next year which pushes GWS to decide if 1 more year with Shiel on the list is worth more or less than a compo pick and the cap relief. Sydney could have told Hawthorn to piss off and send Mitchell to the draft if we completely low-balled them. That is more leverage than GWS will have next year if GWS can't afford to (or don't want to) match offers.

 

[hk89]

Hawthorn only just got the currency together to get the JOM deal done in the end (including having lost Brad Hill to get them one of the picks they used to get pick 10) and he along with Titch was OOC, so they would be massively up against it to get both Shiel and Wingard this offseason. Their picks would not be of great interest to either Port or GWS.

Situations are very different though. Cochrane was deemed crazy enough to send JOM to the draft and get nothing if it meant he felt he was sending a message to predator clubs, and that forced us to go beyond what we probably planned. In this situation if GWS play hard ball this year, we (and the other potential destination clubs) know they can just wait it out. GWS are in a much better position if Shiel is impatient or if their cap problems are not that severe. If Shiel is patient and their cap problems are severe, then GWS are not in a very strong position despite Shiels in-contract status.

I think the situation we are seeing now with no nomination made may be the result of a game of chicken between GWS and the other players. Shiel's suitors may suspect GWS do indeed need to move him for cap space, and GWS doesn't want to blink and admit that so are hoping he chooses a club with a lot to trade to. If GWS blinks first and ask him to leave instead of Shiel nominating it massively weakens their position. If he eventually chooses Hawthorn and GWS really need the cap relief then Hawthorn are in the box seat at the negotiation table, especially if Shiel is happy to play another year if GWS don't accept what Hawthorn puts on the table this year.

 

[WWSD]

Hawthorn only just got the currency together to get the JOM deal done in the end (including having lost Brad Hill to get them one of the picks they used to get pick 10) and he along with Titch was OOC, so they would be massively up against it to get both Shiel and Wingard this offseason.

Their picks would not be of great interest to either Port or GWS, and they won't be able to trade their future 2nd if they trade their future first, so they'll really only have two firsts and a 2nd, and that won't even come close, I don't imagine.

Hawthorn can easily get a trade done if they decide on who they deem to be more important going forward. Is it Shiel or is it Wingard? There’s plenty of time to come up with a reasonable trade that works out well for all parties involved. If they focus on just one player they can get a trade done this off-season and there’s a fair chance one of those two will be at the Hawks next month.