Eddie McGuire makes on-air gaffe about Adam Goodes and King Kong

[SBYM]

Untrue, we have Archaerlogical existence as we have his bones, we have multiple contemporary sources by eyewitnesses, and he is mentioned by contemporary third parties.

We have none of that for Jesus.

EDIT: Regardless this is seriously digressing, I wont reply to your rebuttal on here but if you like we can continue the discussion through PM's.

Fair enough. We'll end it here. I'd just add;

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=m101AvpY0wkC&printsec=frontcover&dq=j d crossan&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7aqmUY6gOcPliAeY2oGwCg&ved=0CGAQ6AEwBw

The archaeological/historical evidence is there, obviously it's just not as blatant and of a different kind for Jesus as it is for Edward II.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I've heard Monkey before, never Ape though

LOL

 

[The Passenger]

This is getting ridiculous and over the top now.

give him a bake for saying something stupid and move on.

 

[biggiemediums]

Also, it wasn't racist so some of you need to get off your high horses and just admit that you would take anything Eddie says and use it against him. You all hate him.

 

[Davo63]

Are you saying Goodes isn't smart enough to know the term used is also used to describe large hairy men? which Goodes is.

I for one have never heard that tern used to describe an Aboriginal before, and i'm sure i'm not the only one, HarryO and NicNat have both condemned the comment, but they aren't Aboriginals, has any other Aboriginal AFL player condemned the comment?

Goodes says he was called an Ape at school, so i can understand him being upset by it and it probably was used in a racial way towards him at school, but it's far from being a mainstream racist insult in Australia IMO (and i went to preston east tech during the 80s, so i've heard all the racist comments), as i said, he should have given the girl the benefit of the doubt when he realised she was a child.

If the girl called him a fellow-Abbo-monkey or any of the common racists names i would agree with him 100%, but that wasn't the case.

So "monkey" would be 100% racist but "ape" would be 0% racist. Right...

 

[T2B_]

Why would you even think about what colour he is?

And before you say that you were just making a point, there is no substantial reason for you to make this qualifying statement.

Erm, I was replying to a post claiming that a lot of the dislike of Harry O is grounded in racism, which made me realise that even though I dislike Harry O, I never once thought "Oh gee...Harry O is black!" or anything to do with his skin colour, and is definitely nothing to do with why I dislike him and I imagine/hope others are in pretty much the same boat.

It's pretty simple, no need to over-react. People getting hysterical is why this thing with Eddie has turned into the media circus it has.

 

[EXNICKS]

What comedy? I don't that shit funny. Laughing at ourselves, is that what it is? That's why there are so many 'jokes' about anglo-saxons out there.

No, racism has done nothing by divide. What's truly divisive is people who think some races should be subject to derision for the sake of comedic relief.

Whatever happened to basic human equality?

So you havent heard of Jokes of the Irish? The winging Pom, Wogs out of work.
As I thought, Head in the sand!

 

[Ant_]

AFL has a set a precedent on these issues

 

[Monkey King]

No
You asked me a series of questions that you thought may paint me out as " acting superior "
It backfired on you

Oh dear. What is it with you blokes that you think you can just insist and demand the meaning of others words. No. Sorry. I know exactly what my point was ... after all, I am the one who made it. Looks like your "shoe-walking" abilities aren't so flash after all.

You were acting superior to people whose backgrounds you know nothing about. Claiming they are ignorant and don't know how to "walk in another's shoes", while you are not ignorant (let's say knowledgeable) and do know how to walk in another's shoes.

The meaning was all prefaced by the initial question - What about those who scoff and use the term "political correctness" but aren't deflecting their own mistakes or prejudices? Are they also ignorant fools who will never be able to walk in another's shoes?

Meaning what if there is a world where people don't agree with you, but you don't, in reality, hold any air of superiority in your thinking. I then went on to ask you a number of questions to demonstrate the potential range of experience of those of whom you make your claims. You see, the world is far more dynamic than "if you don't agree with me you're ignorant and your thinking is inferior".

So if you want to take me on about this subject and cause yourself further embarrassment my friend, I've got all day

You've embarrassed no one but yourself.

 

[skipper kelly]

Plenty of people have lost their jobs for on air gaffes. Eddie won't.

He is is a media person. Media people make a living off other peoples misery. But, Eddie won't be going anywhere as he has too much value to his employers.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

The thought police need to give it a rest......and before you arrive in force my wife is indigenous and barracks for the Swans!

Uh oh, we've got a double threat here guys. You're going to leave many in this thread gnashing their teeth in anger and confusion at how to deal with you.

How can they continue to pat themselves on the back for being so righteous and neo-politically-correct when you're in the room?

You're ruining the thread, and I think you should leave.

 

[the distributer]

So "monkey" would be 100% racist but "ape" would be 0% racist. Right...

Yes, what other reason would you call a black person a monkey for?

 

[Roby]

Are you saying you don't know that even quite recently, aboriginals were considered closer to apes than humans? (I am so tired of repeating this point.)

Need to read more widely. Get off BF and get down to the local library. Try the Australian History section.

The Distributer hasn't read anything or nor will.

 

[raffrox]

What about those who scoff and use the term "political correctness" but aren't deflecting their own mistakes or prejudices? Are they also ignorant fools who will never be able to walk in another's shoes?

A second round of questions at this point regarding your shoe-walking abilities ... given you've taken such a stance of superiority and all - Have you ever had involvement with remote Indigenous communities? Have you ever lived abroad longterm in cultures different to your own? Have you ever had a longterm relationship with someone of a different race or culture to yourself? Do you have children who share an ethnicity different to your own? Have you ever sacrificed even half a year in the service of those from another race or culture who are less fortunate than yourself?

More misguided words perhaps?

Does it have to be a remote community? Does that make it more Aboriginal?

Good grief. Do you even know what you are talking about?

 

[EXNICKS]

No, people like you do nothing but divide.

The action of celebrating one race over another is RACISM!
Have not the Anglo Saxons contributed to this country?
Where is their Round?
Where is the GREEK round, the Irish Round, etc ,etc
How about the Jewish Round?
You people fail to see that pointing out the differences in Race encourages racism.
I dont look at a dark colored person as "A Dark Colored Person" I see them as a person, you on the other hand can see the differences, therefore you are the racist! I see no difference!

 

[the distributer]

The Distributer hasn't read anything or nor will.

I'm glad Goodes put that big bad 13yr old girl in her place, i just hope he doesn't have nightmares over the incident, she is the face of racism in Australia after all lol, bloody pathetic.

 

[Roby]

I've heard Monkey before, never Ape though, and i went to a high school with a large % of Aboriginals, i've heard the term used to describe African Americans on Tele, but i've never heard it regarding Aboriginals, everywhere's different though i suppose.

The world does not revolve around you.

 

[Mile High Tiger]

I don't think what Eddie was trying to say was racist at all.

I think he was trying to say that in less "enlightened" times, promoters of the show would have used the current media focus on the word ape to promote the King Kong show and that they would have been prepared to exploit Adam Goodes to achieve this aim. I think he was actually being critical of past attitudes on the matter of racism and exploitation.

But then, I don't really like Eddie so I'm happy to see him thrown under a bus and I'll just pray I never jumble my words and end up in a similar position.

I think he was referring to those lame promo pics the Herald Sun always do with a photo of two people facing off in mock boxing poses or whatever. In this case, a real ape v a man who'd been badly insulted by the same tag. I don't think he was being racist but it was astoundingly ill-timed and inappropriate.

I very much opposed to racism but I think this one was more a clumsy gaffe than Eddie McGuire revealing some deep-seated racist traits.

 

[SprooseMoose]

Also, it wasn't racist so some of you need to get off your high horses and just admit that you would take anything Eddie says and use it against him. You all hate him.

I'm a Pies supporter and I think he's a fantastic president. I think if there's one thing we can learn from the past week its that it doesn't often matter if he is racist, or what his intentions are. The end result from his words was the same regardless.

Whether he meant it or not, his words caused people a lot of hurt. Even Eddie has acknowledged this. Given the timeliness of his comments and the platform on which he made then, the public reaction is appropriate.

 

[Sprout]

Deep breath needed. As unbelievably stupid as his comment was, this isn't grounds for stepping down. Would be an overreaction in my view.

 

[RuFiO]

I think Eddie and Matt Rendell should come together and draft more aboriginal players at this draft to make up for his comments.

 

[Chief]

Is your friend male or female? Gay or straight? Young or old? Rich or poor? Dog person or cat person?

Tough one, let's just figure out how many groups we're potentially offending here first.

See, this is the problem. People who don't want there to be a line feigning ignorance about where the line is, and where it gets fuzzy.

Giving a mate crap about their weight? Fuzzy.

Shouting out 'ape' at Goodes over the fence? Line crossed. No question.

Get it yet?

 

[Monkey King]

Me neither.

I have no need to table my CV on BigFooty. I know exactly where I stand in answer to those questions. Hence why I chuckle when I've been met with posts telling me I am a bleeding heart, leftist, politically correct do-nothing blowhard, and don't know how to walk in others shoes. I just find the need of so many to insult and categorise those who represent empathy and human dignity the greatest irony to themselves.

Disregarding your parody not making much sense, I am not sure why you post this to me. All I've ever advocated is that true understanding between people is not one-directional.

 

[Collingwoodity]

But he will only do it if the Collingwood Board members think he should. Weak and gutless flog in my view. He should man up and take responsibility for his own actions and not rely on others to make the decision for him. Poor leadership IMO.

That's fine for you to have your opinion and share it with everyone.

My opinion is that he made a mistake, a rather embarrassing one and he has now made his mea culpa.

My opinion of you can be taken as a quote from your own op: Weak and gutless flog.

If you feel so strongly about Eddie's presidency then become a collingwood member and vote to oust eddie as president.

 

[ziad]

all just publicity for his radio show.
not much different to his GWS falafel comment - ah! so there is a consistent thread