EDFL Premier Division

[Stax on the mill]

Living on past glories! Whilst the club goes backwards! More uneducated dribble been spoken on this website.

2014 Ladder of Outgoing Player Expenses
1. Aberfeldie
2. Strathmore
3. Avondale Heights
4. Greenvale
5. Airport West
6. Essendon Doutta Stars
7. Pascoe Vale
8. Maribyrnong Park
9. Keilor
10. Northern Saints

2014 Final Ladder
1. Strathmore
2. Aberfeldie
3. Avondale Heights
4. Keilor
5. Greenvale
6. Airport West
7. Pascoe Vale
8. Northern Saints
9. Maribyrnong Park
10. Essendon Doutta Stars

There certainly seems to be some value in getting one key criteria in your CLUB structure right!

From what I've been told by club source who definitely knows you've got Strathmore probably 3 places too high on your list for player payments for 2014. Also Craig Clinnick would have been on nowhere near what some other coaches in this comp received.

It is all very well to say Keilor don't spend a lot on players, however McGuane would certainly have been on a hell of a lot more than Clinnick and most, if not all other coaches in the EDFL. So surely that has to be factored in when talking about clubs playing budgets.

That's not a knock on McGuane either, as he is an excellent coach, but Keilor have chosen to pay him extremely well, and have seemingly economised on player payments. That's their choice. They can't have it both ways.

 

[Shadow Master]

From what I've been told by club source who definitely knows you've got Strathmore probably 3 places too high on your list for player payments for 2014. Also Craig Clinnick would have been on nowhere near what some other coaches in this comp receive.

It is all very well to say Keilor don't spend a lot on players, however McGuane would certainly have been on a hell of a lot more than Clinnick and most, if not all other coaches in the EDFL. So surely that has to be factored in when talking about clubs playing budgets. That's not a knock on McGuane either, as he is an excellent coach, but Keilor have chosen to pay him very well, and have seemingly economised on player payments. That's their choice.

The Strathmore club source who definitely knows! is most probably sharing the figure that the club committee cares to share! You only have to go through Strathmore's playing list and add up the amount of $1000 plus per game players they have on their list and the bottom line just doesn't add up on the amount of outgoing funds they spend on players compared to the figure that they are willing to share with club members.

Strathmore have a number of third parties on top of their club sponsors that assist with player payments and good luck to them, but once you include the amount of money these third parties inject in to the player payment funds they are well and truly amongst the top two clubs in outgoing funds for player payments.

You are right, McGuane is probably one of the highest paid coaches in the EDFL and deservedly so, but the gap between what he is paid compared to other coaches in the league is far less than the gap between what Keilor FC spend on player payments and what the likes of Aberfeldie FC, Strathmore FC and Greenvale FC spend on player payments.

 

[Stax on the mill]

The Strathmore club source who definitely knows! is most probably sharing the figure that the club committee cares to share! You only have to go through Strathmore's playing list and add up the amount of $1000 plus per game players they have on their list and the bottom line just doesn't add up on the amount of outgoing funds they spend on players compared to the figure that they are willing to share with club members.

Strathmore have a number of third parties on top of their club sponsors that assist with player payments and good luck to them, but once you include the amount of money these third parties inject in to the player payment funds they are well and truly amongst the top two clubs in outgoing funds for player payments.

Beg to disagree. I could very easily go through 4-5 other clubs and find just as many, and in some other cases more of these $1,000 and above" players in their lineups that you are attributing to Strathmore. The supposedly highly paid players at the Mores are in most cases of less renown than those at some other clubs. In addition 13-14 in GF team were homegrown products. Of the top 6 teams only Keilor and Greenvale would have similar representation. Doubt if too many of those 13-14 are on big coin.

Don't think Mores are on their Pat Malone if what you are stating about third parties assisting with player payments is correct. I reckon most other clubs would have similar set up.

My point about outgoings on coaches stands. Can't imagine Clinnick receiving anything like McGuane, McPhee, Michael and probably Ghazi. That's fair enough, as their records as footballers certainly means they are more in demand as coaches. However their renumeration as coaches also forms part of football department budgets, but conveniently gets overlooked. Also if they are being paid a lot more as coaches than some others, then surely we should expect more of them as far as outcomes go. We certainly do when it comes to the higher paid players.

 

[Burgerdon]

Avondale Heights have signed Reece Miles(Melton South), Andrew Walsh (Airport West), Charlie Nastasi (Williamstown), Matt Grossman (Wangaratta), Tom Mendico (Epping) & Phil Smith (Overseas). Both the Grabowski brothers are off to the Northern Football League.

 

[Aucklander]

When's the fixture usually announced?

I've heard we could have a prelim one as early as next week.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

WELL WELL WELL.. ItsAllAboutME, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and that's what this forum is for, but to even mention some of the above names in the same sentence as Mick McGuane when comparing their individual abilities to coach the modern game of football has to go down as the most uneducated post I have ever read on this site.

Unfortunately Keilor FC hasn't been able to generate the income to spend on outgoing player payments such as the likes of the Aberfeldie FC, Strathmore FC and Greenvale FC in recent times. It has been Mick McGuane's ability to not only educate his playing list of the modern game but to also coach against opposition coaches on game day that has allowed this club to remain competitive in Premier Division, in doing so he was also able to bring success of the ultimate kind for this club against all odds.

Steve McPherson was a good coach in his own right but had the biggest budget in the league at the time at his disposal along with a pleather of talented juniors coming through so anything less than premierships would have been seen to be under achieving. I believe a Mick McGuane coached Keilor team made up of half of the Greenvale budget managed to defeat an undefeated Steve McPherson coached Greenvale in the 2008 Grand Final.

Anthony Rock is another good coach in his own right who had the biggest budget in the league with a pleather of talented juniors coming through, he was able to deliver the ultimate success in 2012 and 2013, a job well done.

Digby Morrell also had one of the biggest budgets at his disposal but managed to lose the unlosable Grand Final.

In all fairness to Phil Plunkett, Rick Horwood, James Garvey and Marc Quarrell, they would all be totally up against it when being compared against Mick McGuane in their ability to coach the modern game.

If and when the Keilor FC is able to match the level of outgoing player payments of its arch rivals, there will definitely be another level of unfairness for all to debate.

I don't know the inner workings of club finances however I doubt Greenvale had the highest budget when Super was at Greenvale winning flags, they were against Marby and Strathmore teams who had far more high profile players. Anthony Rock the same but added in with Aberfeldie with the highest budget.

Phil Plunkett won flags with Bundoora despite Montmerency and Heidleberg having much bigger budgets in a standard similar to EDFL, Although the BFL is below EDFL in standard coaching Sunbury to 3 flags was huge by Rick Horwood, James Garvey coached South Barwon to 2 flags in the GFL which is probably the best comp local comp in Australia so I reckon his ability in the modern game can't be questioned and Marc Quarrell took Shep Utd from second last to back to back premiers in the GVFL with one of the smallest budgets in the comp.

These are only in the leagues I have a small interest in, and doesn't include other powerhouse clubs like old xavs, Noble Park and Vermont in the EFL and Spotswood.

To say that McGuane is a far superior coach than all of these is laughable.

 

[coach me]

Was told today that former essendon player andy Lovett is looking for a club in the EDFL to play for in season 2015 which club would he best fit into

 

[Stax on the mill]

Was told today that former essendon player andy Lovett is looking for a club in the EDFL to play for in season 2015 which club would he best fit into

Has to be Mores. Great club and culture, and most importantly only club with enough room in their salary cap.

Just kidding.

 

[Burgerdon]

Was told today that former essendon player andy Lovett is looking for a club in the EDFL to play for in season 2015 which club would he best fit into

Abers reuniting him with some of his ex Essendon teammates

 

[milkman99]

I don't know the inner workings of club finances however I doubt Greenvale had the highest budget when Super was at Greenvale winning flags, they were against Marby and Strathmore teams who had far more high profile players. Anthony Rock the same but added in with Aberfeldie with the highest budget.

Phil Plunkett won flags with Bundoora despite Montmerency and Heidleberg having much bigger budgets in a standard similar to EDFL, Although the BFL is below EDFL in standard coaching Sunbury to 3 flags was huge by Rick Horwood, James Garvey coached South Barwon to 2 flags in the GFL which is probably the best comp local comp in Australia so I reckon his ability in the modern game can't be questioned and Marc Quarrell took Shep Utd from second last to back to back premiers in the GVFL with one of the smallest budgets in the comp.

These are only in the leagues I have a small interest in, and doesn't include other powerhouse clubs like old xavs, Noble Park and Vermont in the EFL and Spotswood.

To say that McGuane is a far superior coach than all of these is laughable.

James Garvey was a co coach and he inherited a premiership side to say his a better coach than McGuane is laughable

 

[Shadow Master]

Beg to disagree. I could very easily go through 4-5 other clubs and find just as many, and in some other cases more of these $1,000 and above" players in their lineups that you are attributing to Strathmore. The supposedly highly paid players at the Mores are in most cases of less renown than those at some other clubs. In addition 13-14 in GF team were homegrown products. Of the top 6 teams only Keilor and Greenvale would have similar representation. Doubt if too many of those 13-14 are on big coin.

Don't think Mores are on their Pat Malone if what you are stating about third parties assisting with player payments is correct. I reckon most other clubs would have similar set up.

My point about outgoings on coaches stands. Can't imagine Clinnick receiving anything like McGuane, McPhee, Michael and probably Ghazi. That's fair enough, as their records as footballers certainly means they are more in demand as coaches. However their renumeration as coaches also forms part of football department budgets, but conveniently gets overlooked. Also if they are being paid a lot more as coaches than some others, then surely we should expect more of them as far as outcomes go. We certainly do when it comes to the higher paid players.

Do the sums! Here is a list of players that frequent the field for Strathmore in 2014.
1. Todd Grima
2. Matthew Little
3. Adam Iacobucci
4. Daniel Jones
5. Andrew Horne
6. Robert Douglas
7. Adam Winter
8. Alex Grima
9. Alistair Rae
10. Aaron Heppell
11. Dale May
12. Ashley Arrowsmith
13. Sam Leech
14. Nathan Lyons
15. Karl Staudt
16. Richard Little
17. Matthew Knight
18. Mark Maric
19. Glenn Campbell
20. Giovanni Mazzeo
21. Marcus Stapleton
22. Joshua Rule
23. Leigh Wellington

You wouldn't get a lot of change from $20,000 on a weekly basis, add the remuneration for the coach as well as sign on fees and Strathmore FC have to be spending over $400,000 per season, that is a lot more than Keilor FC is spending including the remuneration of their club coach.

 

[Stax on the mill]

Do the sums! Here is a list of players that frequent the field for Strathmore in 2014.
1. Todd Grima
2. Matthew Little
3. Adam Iacobucci
4. Daniel Jones
5. Andrew Horne
6. Robert Douglas
7. Adam Winter
8. Alex Grima
9. Alistair Rae
10. Aaron Heppell
11. Dale May
12. Ashley Arrowsmith
13. Sam Leech
14. Karl Staudt
15. Richard Little
16. Matthew Knight
17. Mark Maric
18. Glenn Campbell
19. Giovanni Mazzeo
20. Marcus Stapleton
21. Joshua Rule
22. Leigh Wellington

You wouldn't get a lot of change from $20,000 on a weekly basis, add the remuneration for the coach and Strathmore FC have to be spending close $400,000 per season, that is a lot more than Keilor FC is spending including the remuneration of their club coach.

No you do the sums and tell us player by player how you arrive at the $400,000 you so blithely quote. You can even throw in Nathan Lyons as well. I don't reckon you are even close. For the record, Keilor are not 1 of the at least 4 clubs who I think spent more than Strathmore.

I realise that you weren't actually criticising Strathmore in your posts, far from it, but I think it important to correct what I believe are misconceptions.

 

[Outbackhack37]

Was told today that former essendon player andy Lovett is looking for a club in the EDFL to play for in season 2015 which club would he best fit into

Burnside

 

[Shadow Master]

No you do the sums and tell us player by player how you arrive at the $400,000 you so blithely quote. You can even throw in Nathan Lyons as well. I don't reckon you are even close. For the record, Keilor are not 1 of the at least 4 clubs who I think spent more than Strathmore.

I realise that you weren't actually criticising Strathmore in your posts, far from it, but I think it important to correct what I believe are misconceptions.

As you are the person with reliable knowledge from a source that should know, maybe you should put a figure along side each player and do the sums! Then we would be able to compare your figure, to the actual figure some of these players are more than happy to put out there for everyone to hear these days.

Don't forget to factor in sign on fees and the coaches remuneration!

 

[Burgerdon]

Do the sums! Here is a list of players that frequent the field for Strathmore in 2014.
1. Todd Grima
2. Matthew Little
3. Adam Iacobucci
4. Daniel Jones
5. Andrew Horne
6. Robert Douglas
7. Adam Winter
8. Alex Grima
9. Alistair Rae
10. Aaron Heppell
11. Dale May
12. Ashley Arrowsmith
13. Sam Leech
14. Nathan Lyons
15. Karl Staudt
16. Richard Little
17. Matthew Knight
18. Mark Maric
19. Glenn Campbell
20. Giovanni Mazzeo
21. Marcus Stapleton
22. Joshua Rule
23. Leigh Wellington

You wouldn't get a lot of change from $20,000 on a weekly basis, add the remuneration for the coach as well as sign on fees and Strathmore FC have to be spending over $400,000 per season, that is a lot more than Keilor FC is spending including the remuneration of their club coach.

Forgetting Mitch Purcell & Xavier Allison who were regulars in 2014 I see

 

[Stax on the mill]

As you are the person with reliable knowledge from a source that should know, maybe you should put a figure along side each player and do the sums! Then we would be able to compare your figure, to the actual figure some of these players are more than happy to put out there for everyone to hear these days.

Don't forget to factor in sign on fees and the coaches remuneration!

Nah, nice try, but I'm not going to get sucked in like that, even after several crownies. You're the one who quoted $400,000. I don't recall mentioning a $ amount. Just curious as to how you arrived at that figure, when I know it to be well and truly overstated. So now we're counting coaches remuneration are we?

 

[LFDE BACKWARDS]

No prizes for guessing who has or is about to interview Brock Mclean.

 

[Burgerdon]

No prizes for guessing who has or is about to interview Brock Mclean.

Watch Abers throw the cheque book at him

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Watch Abers throw the cheque book at him

So they should, he would be a huge addition to any footy club and his leadership might just be the difference.

 

[Prophetic]

So they should, he would be a huge addition to any footy club and his leadership might just be the difference.

I think all supporters would love to see him back, would be a brilliant thing for the club.

 

[coach me]

Watch Abers throw the cheque book at him

Not only him there is also a few more ex afl going there

 

[Shadow Master]

Watch Abers throw the cheque book at him

I'm lead to believe that Aberfeldie FC have put a five figure package on the table for Luke Blackwell to consider, consisting of the figures $60,000. Amongst the package is a sign on fee, match payments and living assistance.

Taking this package into account, I wonder what sort of packages they will put on the table for Brock McLean and Mark Austin to consider.

 

[footylover29]

I'm lead to believe that Aberfeldie FC have put a five figure package on the table for Luke Blackwell to consider, consisting of the figures $60,000. Amongst the package is a sign on fee, match payments and living assistance.

Taking this package into account, I wonder what sort of packages they will put on the table for Brock McLean and Mark Austin to consider.

Have heard the package for Blackwell is a lot larger then 60,000. Job has also been given to him by the club so including that Is closer to the 100,000 mark. A huge amount of money to play local football.

 

[Prophetic]

I'm lead to believe that Aberfeldie FC have put a five figure package on the table for Luke Blackwell to consider, consisting of the figures $60,000. Amongst the package is a sign on fee, match payments and living assistance.
Taking this package into account, I wonder what sort of packages they will put on the table for Brock McLean and Mark Austin to consider.

You've been lead up the garden path

 

[Prophetic]

Have heard the package for Blackwell is a lot larger then 60,000. Job has also been given to him by the club so including that Is closer to the 100,000 mark. A huge amount of money to play local football.

You have bad hearing