Enjoy missing the rest of the finals Greene, you scumbag

[Ricky_Lake]

Its like our Judicial system unfortunately, the punishment does'nt fit the crime

 

[Dogs till i die]

Still can’t believe we sat back and let Bont cop all that.

Bloody weak!

We sat back too when JJ was copping it every week a season or two ago.

This team lacks some grunt when it gets tough with Libba the closest we have now that Clay Smith has gone.

Stop being nice.

 

[Pagnoccolo C]

I don’t understand why Bontempelli didn’t get up like a raging bull?!? That pos has just gouged his eye, smashed his head on the ground then trots away like nothing happened and Marcus did absolutely nothing!!! Got me f’d. Ok you can be disciplined but you gotta draw the line somewhere. So every opposition player is watching this and thinking oh well we can do whatever we want to this bloke next year.

Any retaliation by Bont or any of our blokes and they would have been reported, free kick paid and fifty metre penalty applied immediately. It’s GWS we’re talking about here.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Look beyond your self interest, sense of justice or whats in the spirit of the game and take in the bigger picture of the AFL's stated want to have the biggest names on the biggest stages. There is no way known the AFL jeopardise their trust fund babies chances of getting a desperately needed marketing boost in NSW should they continue to win and make it to the Grand Final. A task that will be infinitely more difficult should Green be rubbed out.

Prepare yourself, its been clear for years that the tribunal system is a completely different and much more lenient one during the finals series than it is during the regular home and away segment of the season. He'll get a week at best.

However, I see a hefty fine and stern warning coming Tobe's way.

 

[Anja_Nees]

TOBY'S TRACK RECORD
Total: 16 charges

Suspensions: Six matches

Fines: $18,850

2012: Made ineligible for the NAB AFL Rising Star after he was suspended for one match for an ugly bump on Brisbane veteran Jed Adcock.

2012: Fined $1200 for his role in a melee during Greater Western Sydney's clash with Melbourne.

2013: Cops a $1950 fine for making reckless contact with an umpire in a game against Gold Coast.

2014: Was fortunate to walk away with a one-match suspension for striking Adelaide midfielder Richard Douglas, with the offence classified as a level-three sanction.

2014: Fined another $1200 for engaging in a melee, this time against the Western Bulldogs.

2015: Hit with a $1500 fine for spitting in the direction of Richmond midfielder Anthony Miles.

2015: Another year, another $1500 fine for engaging in a melee, this time against Fremantle.

2016: Fined $1000 for misconduct, having pushed Port Adelaide youngster Brendon Ah Chee into a fence.

2017: Hit with a $1000 misconduct fine in the pre-season, having given Sam Wright a slap to the face late in the game.

2017: Fined $1000 for striking Port Adelaide midfielder Dan Houston, with the charge graded as low impact to the head.

2017: Hit with a two-match striking suspension after clipping Western Bulldogs midfielder Caleb Daniel with an extremely late spoil attempt.

2017: Forced to serve another two-match suspension after striking Richmond defender Alex Rance to the jaw with a jumper-punch.

2017: Controversially offered a $1500 misconduct fine for his 'Jackie Chan' kick to the face of Western Bulldogs forward Luke Dahlhaus.

2018: Fined $2500 for misconduct, having appeared to drop his knee into Sydney midfielder Isaac Heeney during their elimination final.

2018: Fined another $2500 for misconduct the very next week during a semi-final against Collingwood, where he was involved in a back-and-forth with midfielder Taylor Adams.

2019: Slapped with a $2000 fine for striking, having handed Melbourne midfielder Clayton Oliver a tummy tap in an off-the-ball incident.

That charge sheet is horrendous but what stands out is the number of vile little incidents.

Spitting, throwing a player into a fence, a ‘late spoil’, slapping, Jackie Chan kicking to the face, knee dropping and now gouging/scratching.

By giving him small fines for most of these incidents, which are shrapnel to a player on $600,000+, they’ve given him license to keep going.

 

[dogwatch]

Clearly the physical damage isn't as bad as the the Gaff hit on Brayshaw, but on the other hand Gaff's hit was just a brain snap, whereas the things Greene often does are premeditated and planned. That should play into the suspension that is handed down.

This is the problem with relying so heavily on whether the player was injured badly or not. Brayshaw suffered a terrible injury so although it was in the run of play and Gaff never intended anything like that level of injury the AFL threw the book at him (it was definitely stupid and reckless).

Meanwhile Bont walks away with both his eyeballs still in their sockets so there's a risk the AFL will say it's no biggie, despite the fact that Greene intentionally attacked the head and gave him the facial treatment after not even being involved in the original tackle.

There can be little doubt that in GWS's planning they saw that Bont was a potential match winner and they were instructed to do whatever they could to put him off his game. Getting de Boer to tag him was just the start of it. Everybody would be encouraged to unsettle Bont, hence the Himmelberg punch and numerous acts of holding and scragging when the umpire didn't have a good sight of it. But surely even Leon should have realised what giving carte blanche would mean in the case of Greene. There ought to be some scrutiny placed on the GWS coaching hierarchy for this (but there won't be) which is probably why the likes of Bartel are trying to get in early.

People wondering why Bont didn't arc up need to remember two things: 1. He doesn't play temperamentally, and 2. He would have known the whole aim was to unsettle him and take his mind off his footy - retaliating or losing his rag would have delighted GWS and played right into their hands. Kudos to him for getting up and getting on with his game (there was good footage of him doing this after the Himmelberg hit too). However I still would have liked a few more players to fly the flag to let GWS know they can't get away with that.

The AFL now needs to consider whether its marquee players are going to be protected from this sort of sh*t or not. Himmelberg being let off with a fine was just the start. If Greene gets off it's open slather in future.

Big moments coming up for the MRP. Don't stuff it up.

 

[maddog37]

That charge sheet is horrendous but what stands out is the number of vile little incidents.

Spitting, throwing a player into a fence, a ‘late spoil’, slapping, Jackie Chan kicking to the face, knee dropping and now gouging/scratching.

By giving him small fines for most of these incidents, which are shrapnel to a player on $600,000+, they’ve given him license to keep going.

It’s pretty messy. Spitting, kneeing and now eye gouging. Recalcitrant.

 

[dogwatch]

TOBY'S TRACK RECORD
Total: 16 charges

Suspensions: Six matches

Fines: $18,850

2012: Made ineligible for the NAB AFL Rising Star after he was suspended for one match for an ugly bump on Brisbane veteran Jed Adcock.

2012: Fined $1200 for his role in a melee during Greater Western Sydney's clash with Melbourne.

2013: Cops a $1950 fine for making reckless contact with an umpire in a game against Gold Coast.

2014: Was fortunate to walk away with a one-match suspension for striking Adelaide midfielder Richard Douglas, with the offence classified as a level-three sanction.

2014: Fined another $1200 for engaging in a melee, this time against the Western Bulldogs.

2015: Hit with a $1500 fine for spitting in the direction of Richmond midfielder Anthony Miles.

2015: Another year, another $1500 fine for engaging in a melee, this time against Fremantle.

2016: Fined $1000 for misconduct, having pushed Port Adelaide youngster Brendon Ah Chee into a fence.

2017: Hit with a $1000 misconduct fine in the pre-season, having given Sam Wright a slap to the face late in the game.

2017: Fined $1000 for striking Port Adelaide midfielder Dan Houston, with the charge graded as low impact to the head.

2017: Hit with a two-match striking suspension after clipping Western Bulldogs midfielder Caleb Daniel with an extremely late spoil attempt.

2017: Forced to serve another two-match suspension after striking Richmond defender Alex Rance to the jaw with a jumper-punch.

2017: Controversially offered a $1500 misconduct fine for his 'Jackie Chan' kick to the face of Western Bulldogs forward Luke Dahlhaus.

2018: Fined $2500 for misconduct, having appeared to drop his knee into Sydney midfielder Isaac Heeney during their elimination final.

2018: Fined another $2500 for misconduct the very next week during a semi-final against Collingwood, where he was involved in a back-and-forth with midfielder Taylor Adams.

2019: Slapped with a $2000 fine for striking, having handed Melbourne midfielder Clayton Oliver a tummy tap in an off-the-ball incident.

FWIW I think he also got a 5 match club suspension for his involvement in the security guard incident in 2014.

 

[godoggies15]

Giants to argue Greene not responsible for Bontempelli bruising

GWS star Toby Greene will front an AFL tribunal hearing in Melbourne on Monday evening, when he fights to remain a part of the Giants' premiership campaign.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Dogs 13]

This is the problem with relying so heavily on whether the player was injured badly or not. Brayshaw suffered a terrible injury so although it was in the run of play and Gaff never intended anything like that level of injury the AFL threw the book at him (it was definitely stupid and reckless).

Meanwhile Bont walks away with both his eyeballs still in their sockets so there's a risk the AFL will say it's no biggie, despite the fact that Greene intentionally attacked the head and gave him the facial treatment after not even being involved in the original tackle.

There can be little doubt that in GWS's planning they saw that Bont was a potential match winner and they were instructed to do whatever they could to put him off his game. Getting de Boer to tag him was just the start of it. Everybody would be encouraged to unsettle Bont, hence the Himmelberg punch and numerous acts of holding and scragging when the umpire didn't have a good sight of it. But surely even Leon should have realised what giving carte blanche would mean in the case of Greene. There ought to be some scrutiny placed on the GWS coaching hierarchy for this (but there won't be) which is probably why the likes of Bartel are trying to get in early.

People wondering why Bont didn't arc up need to remember two things: 1. He doesn't play temperamentally, and 2. He would have known the whole aim was to unsettle him and take his mind off his footy - retaliating or losing his rag would have delighted GWS and played right into their hands. Kudos to him for getting up and getting on with his game (there was good footage of him doing this after the Himmelberg hit too). However I still would have liked a few more players to fly the flag to let GWS know they can't get away with that.

The AFL now needs to consider whether its marquee players are going to be protected from this sort of sh*t or not. Himmelberg being let off with a fine was just the start. If Greene gets off it's open slather in future.

Big moments coming up for the MRP. Don't stuff it up.

Do GWS go to these levels of "physicality" with Danger, Martin, Fyfe, Cripps, etc. No, this was personal.

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

Look beyond your self interest, sense of justice or whats in the spirit of the game and take in the bigger picture of the AFL's stated want to have the biggest names on the biggest stages. There is no way known the AFL jeopardise their trust fund babies chances of getting a desperately needed marketing boost in NSW should they continue to win and make it to the Grand Final. A task that will be infinitely more difficult should Green be rubbed out.

Prepare yourself, its been clear for years that the tribunal system is a completely different and much more lenient one during the finals series than it is during the regular home and away segment of the season. He'll get a week at best.

However, I see a hefty fine and stern warning coming Tobe's way.

I fear you may be right. If the AFL came down HARD on Greene and gave him something like 6 weeks, it would be all over the papers. It’s almost in the AFL’s best interest to brush this one under the carpet and let him off with a fine.

 

[dogwatch]

Do GWS go to these levels of "physicality" with Danger, Martin, Fyfe, Cripps, etc. No, this was personal.

That's because they know they won't get away with it as easily.

And that's why we need some enforcers. It's hard when your average age is just 23 and a bit.

Cordy, B Smith, West, Libba and maybe Naughton and Lew Young might be good for it in a few years time though. Usually you look to your ruckman (eg Minson, Mumford) but Timmy just seems too nice.

 

[immortalmike]

The blame for this falls directly at the feet of the umpires. There shouldn't be a need for old type enforcers. The umpires should have been paying free kicks for holding from the first bounce. This just gave pieces of excrement like Green, Mumford and Himmelberg carte blanche to do whatever they liked after that.

 

[WallyStringhaus]

The blame for this falls directly at the feet of the umpires. There shouldn't be a need for old type enforcers. The umpires should have been paying free kicks for holding from the first bounce. This just gave pieces of excrement like Green, Mumford and Himmelberg carte blanche to do whatever they liked after that.

Spot on Mike. Protect the ball players and the illegal tactics stop instantaneously.

 

[Bald]

The blame for this falls directly at the feet of the umpires. There shouldn't be a need for old type enforcers. The umpires should have been paying free kicks for holding from the first bounce. This just gave pieces of excrement like Green, Mumford and Himmelberg carte blanche to do whatever they liked after that.

Agree 100% with this sentiment.

But we need to accept that when it comes down to it, the umpires can't be trusted to deal with these sorts of things so it's only natural to look towards the next best thing.

Can you only imagine if we had Luke Hodge on our team and he saw that?

 

[dergert]

Seriously, i dont want to be apart of this game anymore if this maggot gets anything less than two weeks.

This league embodies everything i hate.

 

[dergert]

We are softcocks for rolling over and taking it.

 

[Bodicifer]

Agree 100% with this sentiment.

But we need to accept that when it comes down to it, the umpires can't be trusted to deal with these sorts of things so it's only natural to look towards the next best thing.

Can you only imagine if we had Luke Hodge on our team and he saw that?

The umpires lost control of the game very early and never got it back. All they had to do was ping a couple of frees or throw a 50 in and it all would have stopped.

Toby Greene is a little prick, let's face it, so hopefully he misses this week and costs them the game. He needs to feel it.

 

[dogwatch]

The blame for this falls directly at the feet of the umpires. There shouldn't be a need for old type enforcers. The umpires should have been paying free kicks for holding from the first bounce. This just gave pieces of excrement like Green, Mumford and Himmelberg carte blanche to do whatever they liked after that.

Agree with this. And yet even with three umpires they don't see everything, such as the Greene incident. That's why video scrutiny is a good adjunct.

Old type enforcers (like Sutton, Dyer, even EJ) wouldn't last long under the current video scrutiny.

However modern players are pretty good at pushing close to the boundaries and knowing just where to stop. That's why a few physical enforcers are still necessary. For instance if Libba had been there and started hurling players around when they sat on our blokes after a free or a mark it might have started a melee, but at least it would have got the umpires realising they had a difficult game on their hands. That might have resulted in a few 50m penalties which should have been happening much earlier.

 

[Dogs Rule]

It would almost be worth one of our lads doing a Mark Yeates on Greene next time around.

Just belt the little p****. Will our player be suspended? Probably, but we can’t just sit back now, got to send a message of our own.

 

[NBates]

Seriously, i dont want to be apart of this game anymore if this maggot gets anything less than two weeks.

This league embodies everything i hate.

Well, don't listen to SEN either (you probably don't already, but they're saying there is no proof). Have turned off now. Will listen to Murph this arvo & see if he tows the same party line. Of course it's only a vested media interest - they want the grub to play as it's good for interest in upcoming games.

 

[compact72]

Interested in what you mean by that.

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We have 5 pages of outrage.

Interested in what you mean by that.

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Would be more outraged that the players allowed it to happen. They knew Bont was being targetted and done nothing. Same happened with JJ vs Melbourne

Greene is an absolute grubbed, and wish he would be rubbed out for good. Pretty sure everybody knows his an absolute grub but we did nothing about it

 

[NBates]

We have 5 pages of outrage.

Would be more outraged that the players allowed it to happen. They knew Bont was being targetted and done nothing. Same happened with JJ vs Melbourne

Greene is an absolute grubbed, and wish he would be rubbed out for good. Pretty sure everybody knows his an absolute grub but we did nothing about it

Agree, but there's a lot of younguns - they were more worried about how it feels to play in a final more than anything. As for the more experienced, none of our guys are that type are they? Libba our best shot & he wasn't playing. Maybe we'll pick up some guys with a bit of grunt in the off season.

 

[The_torpedo]

If the unlikely occurs and Greene gets off the AFL should know they will be setting a very dangerous precedent. Nothing would be off the table if it happened

 

[compact72]

Agree, but there's a lot of younguns - they were more worried about how it feels to play in a final more than anything. As for the more experienced, none of our guys are that type are they? Libba our best shot & he wasn't playing. Maybe we'll pick up some guys with a bit of grunt in the off season.

You either have that aggression or you don't. Doesn't matter how old you are

Everybody knew that they would be aggressive towards Bont and the rest of them. The fact we weren't ready or to dish it back is pretty bad IMO

Greene will get dealt with accordingly. I bet if it was once of our players, we would defend him as much as possible to avoid suspension. Should be focusing on what the dogs done wrong