How much sway does project 2025 really have?
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Well it is a combination of like 70 conservative groups and a lot of it is based on stuff Trump has actually said he wants to do.
Will they be successful? I don’t know, I sure as hell hope not. But even if they are partially successful, it could set wheels in motion to be fully successful later.
The fact that they even want this should be a dangerous red flag in itself. Instead of “nah can’t happen”.
As others have said, it’s the frog in the boiling water approach, since trump things previously unthinkable for a president or presidential nominee to say or do are now normalised. Claiming every election is rigged is now just seen as something the GOP do.
Now has it effected day to day life in Australia and the western world as yet? For most, no. But the MAGA movement has enabled weird nationalists/racists to feel more ok to be out in the open, such is the influence on America here and worldwide.
I still think the risk (while real) is blown out of proportion. Project 2025 has a budget of $22 million while federal spending in the 2020 election was $14 billion.
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2020 election to cost $14 billion, blowing away spending records
The total cost of the 2020 election will nearly reach an unprecedented $14 billion, making it the most expensive election in history by far.
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I agree with that.
I still think the risk (while real) is blown out of proportion. Project 2025 has a budget of $22 million while federal spending in the 2020 election was $14 billion.
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2020 election to cost $14 billion, blowing away spending records
The total cost of the 2020 election will nearly reach an unprecedented $14 billion, making it the most expensive election in history by far.
I agree with that.
Well it’s overblown until it isn’t. The history of authoritarian or fascist takeovers is usually years of incremental planning, then things speed up.
If I told you in 2019 that there would be a riot at the capitol with a pro Trump mob chanting hang Mike pence, convinced the election was stolen from them, you’d have considered that hyperbole. Yet it happened.
How much sway do the Federalist Society and the Heritage Foundation have?
Fair enough. Is that something new though? Wouldn't conservative lobby groups work together for similar common goals at any time, including before 2016?
I see that Trump is a different kettle of fish to a career politician like Dubya and I agree he's more dangerous for a number of reasons including his willingness to form alliances with anyone who can help him get ahead.
Wouldn't these conservative groups pump more than a mere $22 million into project 2025 if they were serious about it?
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Yeah they could pump money into the $DJT meme stock, for example.
They did, look up Leonard Leo and the capture of the SCOTUS. I suggest Sen. Whitehouse floor speeches on the subject as a starter.
and handing over to Trump and the GOP their vetted court nominees for benches around the country.
There is a powerful, maybe more, mega-rich conservative cabal for want of a term that is actively working to shape the US political scene in their favor. You see the same names popping up connected to different instances of conservative politics.
How much of it is purely power and financial gain, or Christo-fascist type I can't say. But they are out there doing shit.
I am fairly convinced they are intertwined with the dereg lobby, but these groups go beyond lobbying.
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I thought they'd started nearly all wars back to the civil war. All major ones anyway (WW1,2, Vietnam). But the republicans have started a bunch too ... depends on the scale. Reagan led "military interventions," Granada for example. May as well be a war.
Yep
I mean there was a swap of internal policy positions at some point but their foreign policy hasn't changed since the revolution, no matter the party......democracy right
Another classic predicament here(so common these days), Fascist internal policy plus more isolationist foreign policy maybe(MAYBE?)
IDK, whatever tbh
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I knew a Palestinian activist who wanted Trump to be elected because they thought it would mean less stupid ME interventions and less support for Israel. They were spewing about him a few years later. Trump derangement syndrome was a thing but if you're a women's rights activist in the US then all that stuff you said before that election was right. He is backed by some genuinely regressive shit heads.
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I think it is more likely that not that Biden wins
Only probs:
- I thought Hilary was going to win in 2016
- I think it will be the effective end of democracy in USA if Trump does win (and that will put traditional allies of the USA like Australia and Western Europe in a potentially very tough spot)
Only probs:
- I thought Hilary was going to win in 2016
- I think it will be the effective end of democracy in USA if Trump does win (and that will put traditional allies of the USA like Australia and Western Europe in a potentially very tough spot)
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The actual fascist takeover in the US...
Was it ever not tbh, manifest destiny and all that
Ironically Nixon as well after he put in the EPA and OSHA, don't mess with the oligarchs
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Sorry, I couldn't tell whether this was a serious thread or a joke thread.Conversations along those lines belong here:
... and I rather think you know that.
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There's a fairly prominent stream of thought - from people who'd know - that Trump post Jan 6th is no longer merely doing a fascism, but is actually a fascist.
This has enough legs to cease being a joke.
Now, should you want to make a thread and you're capable of demonstrating that JFK was murdered to end democracy in the US - and you can demonstrate it to a satisfactory level that does not contravene the SRP's misinformation or conspiracy theories policy - I'd be extremely interested in reading it.
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