Father-son and Academy bidding

[Membling]

That's fair enough. But still why other supporters can't we vent on Bigfooty about AFL decisions?

Because it is largely directed at any swans supporter. Feel free to rail against the AFL.

Note: Don't agree with CoLA as CoLA. Also in favour of introducing a scheme which allows all clubs an academy in NSW/Qld to increase the junior rates in these areas. Also the NSW scholarship scheme was a failure...

 

[Agent93]

Hard to deny there's a go home factor in the league that needs to have some provision for balance with gws with jaskch, o'rourke and frost all wanting to come home this year and brisbane with last years 5 players heading home.

Given 55% of the league exists in southern Victoria, it's not hard to understand the lure. You've got:
- more jobs, meaning greater flexibility and security
- less travel
- more exposure, allowing for greater options post career

Anything to allow the non-traditional football states to attain locally bred players is a bonus.

 

[HPKS]

Because it is largely directed at any swans supporter. Feel free to rail against the AFL.

Note: Don't agree with CoLA as CoLA. Also in favour of introducing a scheme which allows all clubs an academy in NSW/Qld to increase the junior rates in these areas. Also the NSW scholarship scheme was a failure...

Until clubs are prepared to invest time & money into a scheme like the academy nothing will change. We will continue to hear the crying n whaling from the sideshow without any true ideas to improve a good system. A system where all clubs put in exactly the time n effort that Sydney has is a win win for everyone. Not that NSW scholarship garbage.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Hey guys - have heard waterman is on ice and is known to frequent tents with young ladies.

Let your recruiting managers know.. he's no good

 

[The Falcon Strike]

What happens if you want to bid on Heeney and Moore!

Guess you bid on one first. But if Carlton bid on Heeney with 6 (and someone has to with one of the first 16 picks!) do they then get to bid on Moore once Sydney pick Heeney.

Such a crazy system.

The system is actually well structured.

Carlon have Heeney as their first choice and bid 6. Sydney match with 17

Carlton now have their pick 6 back. So they go their second choice which is Moore. Collingwood match.

Carlton then go for their third choice which is to retain pick 6.

It then passes onto pick 7.

 

[Furn2]

Until clubs are prepared to invest time & money into a scheme like the academy nothing will change. We will continue to hear the crying n whaling from the sideshow without any true ideas to improve a good system. A system where all clubs put in exactly the time n effort that Sydney has is a win win for everyone. Not that NSW scholarship garbage.

Other clubs aren't allow to have academies, that the whole point.

 

[HPKS]

Other clubs aren't allow to have academies, that the whole point.

That's why I wrote "Until clubs are prepared to invest time & money into a scheme like the academy nothing will change". Not the old NSW scholarship crap, that was just cherry picking the best young talent. Under that scheme a player like Heeney probably would have never made it. This is what was so annoying with McChin not once did he propose a system that could help NSW/QLD improve the development of AR & not once did he talk about improving the game their. It was just plain chest puffing childish crap. A proper structured development program that develops & moves the game forward in areas where AR is not the number 1 sport is what he should have proposed. The academy is not just about getting a few players onto the 4 clubs lists its about moving the game forward because what had been put in place previously didn't work. Hawthorn is one club that is professional enough to do this but im not holding my breath waiting for others. BTW Hawthorn n The Saints should be allowed to have an academy exactly the same in NZ. Allow them to spend what they want with exactly the same draft conditions so that the game prospers over there. All clubs should be allowed to have developmental in areas where AR needs a structured developmental program to bring supporters, players n officials to the game in local areas. Its about the development of the game going forward.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

That's why I wrote "Until clubs are prepared to invest time & money into a scheme like the academy nothing will change".

WC and Freo largely fund the WAFL competition (and grass roots footy in WA)

So every player that comes from WA has come from an "academy" funded by our two clubs.

and yet we didn't get coniglio, swalllow, omeara...

 

[RUNVS]

WC and Freo largely fund the WAFL competition (and grass roots footy in WA)

So every player that comes from WA has come from an "academy" funded by our two clubs.

and yet we didn't get coniglio, swalllow, omeara...

Difference is that Western Australia is AFL heartland and most of the best athletes become AFL players. That is not the case in NSW and QLD.

 

[HawkintheTuarts]

WC and Freo largely fund the WAFL competition (and grass roots footy in WA)

So every player that comes from WA has come from an "academy" funded by our two clubs.

and yet we didn't get coniglio, swallow, omeara...

Which is a shame, because all of them would have been lost to WA's robust badminton circuit if WC and Freo didn't pluck them from obscurity and develop them in the WAFL.

 

[HPKS]

Difference is that Western Australia is AFL heartland and most of the best athletes become AFL players. That is not the case in NSW and QLD.

This is why I wrote "All clubs should be allowed to have developmental in areas where AR needs a structured developmental program to bring supporters, players n officials to the game in local areas" if the WCE, Freo, PA or any side are prepared to put money into our game to grow it and develop AR then they should receive some reward.

 

[HPKS]

WC and Freo largely fund the WAFL competition (and grass roots footy in WA)

So every player that comes from WA has come from an "academy" funded by our two clubs.

and yet we didn't get coniglio, swalllow, omeara...

Your club is the WAFL. Its the reason you exist. The WAFL decided to allow a side into the VFL under specific conditions and that is your club pays a large some of money to the WAFL. Its up to the WAFL what they do with that money.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Your club is the WAFL. Its the reason you exist. The WAFL decided to allow a side into the VFL under specific conditions and that is your club pays a large some of money to the WAFL. Its up to the WAFL what they do with that money.

And yet we don't get to keep the players we produce... which is the whole point.

And no... our club is not owned by the WAFL, it is owned by the WAFC which oversees both WC and Freo and also the WAFL

The WAFL is more like a brother than a parent

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Which is a shame, because all of them would have been lost to WA's robust badminton circuit if WC and Freo didn't pluck them from obscurity and develop them in the WAFL.

Who knows where they would go - it is unlikely we would still have a WAFL without WC and Freo.

The AFL contributes about $2m to WA footy.. Let the AFL pick up the tab for WAFL like it does the VFL and then we can keep our money for ourselves

Still, doesn't change the fact that we fund the development and don't keep the players. No different to Sydney.

The AFL should fund NSW academies and let Sydney and GWS access them as per normal via the draft

 

[HawkintheTuarts]

You failed to mention once what the young sportsmen would play here if it wasn't AFL.

There's no rugby league and the rugby union teams are all at the top level. Football is no threat with a amateur/semi-pro league.

The fact you were able to name top players at the top of the head just proves there's no need for academies in WA, there's already players being produced here. Same for the other traditional football states.

 

[eastfreo75]

Does anyone know the player order on the bidding system? The order may affect the result.

 

[Kummerspeck]

WC and Freo largely fund the WAFL competition (and grass roots footy in WA)

So every player that comes from WA has come from an "academy" funded by our two clubs.

and yet we didn't get coniglio, swalllow, omeara...

So West Coast and Freo set up a system that they entirely oversee and have to come up with the sponsorship and almost 100% of the funding for in an area where they have to compete for resources and talented juniors with three other codes with deeply entrenched local pathways?

This is ridiculous, the academy has been going for five years and the first high level draftee it looks like producing has said he wouldn't be playing football if the academies didn't exist. This isn't some kid who'd come this far of his own accord then was snapped up at the last second. Is it a bonus for the Swans? Yeah, sure. Does it even out the list building disadvantage of being based in NSW and having to import 75% + of the list? No chance.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

So West Coast and Freo set up a system that they entirely oversee and have to come up with the sponsorship and almost 100% of the funding for in an area where they have to compete for resources and talented juniors with three other codes with deeply entrenched local pathways?

This is ridiculous, the academy has been going for five years and the first high level draftee it looks like producing has said he wouldn't be playing football if the academies didn't exist. This isn't some kid who'd come this far of his own accord then was snapped up at the last second. Is it a bonus for the Swans? Yeah, sure. Does it even out the list building disadvantage of being based in NSW and having to import 75% + of the list? No chance.

Can't be too big a disadvantage when you've made 4 grand finals in 10 years...

My point remains the same - the ideas of academies are great in areas like nsw.. They should be funded and run by the afl, not by Sydney

 

[RUNVS]

Can't be too big a disadvantage when you've made 4 grand finals in 10 years...

My point remains the same - the ideas of academies are great in areas like nsw.. They should be funded and run by the afl, not by Sydney

Take that to the AFL. The Swans are just doing what the AFL asked us to do.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Take that to the AFL. The Swans are just doing what the AFL asked us to do.

Seems to take a lot of pushing for the AFL to tone down advantages to NSW.

Still it isn't a Sydney issue, if it was WC i'd be running with the advantage as long as I could. However the AFL should be the one running the talent pathways

 

[replicant]

Seems to take a lot of pushing for the AFL to remove the existing equalisation measures that they and all the other clubs agreed were necessary for NSW.

Still it isn't a Sydney issue, if it was WC i'd be running with the advantage as long as I could. However the AFL should be the one running the talent pathways

Fixed that for you.

 

[HPKS]

And yet we don't get to keep the players we produce... which is the whole point.

And no... our club is not owned by the WAFL, it is owned by the WAFC which oversees both WC and Freo and also the WAFL

The WAFL is more like a brother than a parent

You do not produce them. The academy takes players that otherwise would never play a game of AR and improves theirs & their family n friends awareness of AR which in turn produces a larger following of AR. It's not the scholarship scheme it involves a lot more than PRODUCING players.

 

[Kummerspeck]

My point remains the same - the ideas of academies are great in areas like nsw.. They should be funded and run by the afl, not by Sydney

They tried putting the AFL in charge, it failed dismally. They tried giving all clubs the chance to set up their own recruitment systems in NSW for a price cheaper than the bidding that was done now, and none of the clubs took part in any development, they just cherry picked the kids they thought were best and ignored everything else.

 

[HawkintheTuarts]

Can't be too big a disadvantage when you've made 4 grand finals in 10 years...

Read the post you're responding too...

This is ridiculous, the academy has been going for five years and the first high level draftee it looks like producing has said he wouldn't be playing football if the academies didn't exist.

So it's CLEARLY not the academies that are the reason Sydney are successful at the moment or "making 4 grand finals in 10 years"

 

[Crawb]

WC and Freo largely fund the WAFL competition (and grass roots footy in WA)

So every player that comes from WA has come from an "academy" funded by our two clubs.

and yet we didn't get coniglio, swalllow, omeara...

Does the WAFL only produce 3% of the drafting talent out there? I don't think so. You have a great monopoly being in an AFL dominated two-team town and there is plenty of decent WA talent to draft from come draft day. Not so much of that local talent in NSW/Qld...hence the academies.