Player Watch Fischer McAsey - Steps Away from Football, Not Returning

[Danger in Texas]

I am a Murray fan.

Still raw but I am pretty comfortable in his ability to perform at the level.

Need to see a lot more offensive development from either him or Butts these next few seasons, though. I'm a fan, but you can't have your two KPDs both averaging under 10 touches a game in today's landscape (unless the rest of your defence is filled with elite rebounding players)

 

[StickerMan]

Need to see a lot more offensive development from either him or Butts these next few seasons, though. I'm a fan, but you can't have your two KPDs both averaging under 10 touches a game in today's landscape (unless the rest of your defence is filled with elite rebounding players)

Which is where i think where Milera going back and development if Worell will assist greatly.

Just cross everything for no injuries

 

[kirky]

A very disappointing result for Fischer and the club.
What I don't understand was the club giving him another 2 year extension when he obviously didn't want to be here

Do we know that as at the end of 2021 or has he directly said that?

 

[GROTTO]

I just want to remind people that McAsey isn’t being delisted, but retiring due to mental illness. He isn’t seeking AFL opportunities elsewhere. There is a clear distinction between a dud player who can’t get an AFL gig and a potential AFL player who’s mind has been messed up due to life’s circumstances.

Why the need to hang his retirement and blame it all on Hamish/club? If McAsey retires due to concussion or severe physical condition, do we blame the club too?

Was he a bad pick? In hindsight, yes. Was he a dud from day 1? I think this is something that no one can know how much of the mental illness has impacted his footy development, only except McAsey himself. But for some on here to ignore the fact mental illness can affect peak performances is showing superficial awareness of what mental illness is all about.

He is only 21, I can see him returning to the AFL or at least attempting to return.

 

[Tas]

Durdin was as highly rated as McAsay as a kid, North was lauded for landing the “slider” of the draft when we got him.

He was a nice size, good mover, good tank, brave enough, decent enough leg speed and an excellent kick for a tall defender.

He just can’t mark the football, which is a real problem in modern football with the game built around intercept marks and possessions.

It’s why he’s been tried so much in the ruck over the years throughout all levels.

He definately wasn’t a “shocker”, some North fans would still have him.

He certainly was/is a good VFL player hence why he’s back in the AFL system.

I think Durdin was a bit unlucky to be let go when we did, given some of the potatoes we kept on. He developed well in the VFL with McKay and Ben fit into the side really well. I am not sure what happened to Sam, but from watching the games he was rock solid 90% of the time and unfortunately for him that remaining 10% was like deer in the headlights bad, he would drop easy chest makes literally right after taking a great pack mark, he would kick the ground when trying to chip a ball, he would try and transfer play and hit the opposition on the chest, it was just momentum-killing bad errors I felt were more psychological than ability related.

I am really happy for him that he got it together last year in the SANFL and had a good year, hope he can make the most of it at Carlton.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I just want to remind people that McAsey isn’t being delisted, but retiring due to mental illness. He isn’t seeking AFL opportunities elsewhere. There is a clear distinction between a dud player who can’t get an AFL gig and a potential AFL player who’s mind has been messed up due to life’s circumstances.

Why the need to hang his retirement and blame it all on Hamish/club? If McAsey retires due to concussion or severe physical condition, do we blame the club too?

Was he a bad pick? In hindsight, yes. Was he a dud from day 1? I think this is something that no one can know how much of the mental illness has impacted his footy development, only except McAsey himself. But for some on here to ignore the fact mental illness can affect peak performances is showing superficial awareness of what mental illness is all about.

The point about us not knowing how much his mental health affected his performances is fair enough but I'm not sure that absolves our recruiters. Psychological assessment is part of what they do.

 

[GROTTO]

The point about us not knowing how much his mental health affected his performances is fair enough but I'm not sure that absolves our recruiters. Psychological assessment is part of what they do.

I would argue its one of the biggest criteria they use to determine whether to draft a certain player or not.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I would argue its one of the biggest criteria they use to determine whether to draft a certain player or not.

Especially so for clubs outside of Victoria looking to recruit from there.

 

[Mutineer]

More of a pure ‘talent ID’ issue than anything, combined with us feeling the need to target who we thought was the best KPD in the draft to fill a list need, even if was a reach

Just a matter of us convoluting things that year

On this pure talent I.D. how many KPD's drafted have both been AA's at the National Carnival and their Nationals team's M.V.P. (Vic Metro) remembering Vic Metro supplied pick 1 (Matt Rowell) and pick 2 (Noah Anderson) in that year's draft......

 

[Danger in Texas]

On this pure talent I.D. how many KPD's drafted have both been AA's at the National Carnival and their Nationals team's M.V.P. (Vic Metro) remembering Vic Metro supplied pick 1 (Matt Rowell) and pick 2 (Noah Anderson) in that year's draft......

I'll bump this post I made a couple of months back

For instance (and I’ll admit my judgement here was incorrect, too) - McAsey won Metro MVP. But the KPF competition he faced in the champs for instance wasn’t very strong at all, on reflection - in fact, no real KPF’s got selected in the U18 AA team, and the only non-VM guys you could really call KPFs that got drafted in the top 40 were Georgiades (injured most of his 18th year) and Comben (played as a ruck in the champs)

Not that McAsey didn’t impress, he wouldn’t have gotten drafted nearly as high as he did otherwise - just some random thoughts, on reflection

Was it more a lack of general KPF talent that year, rather than McAsey really performing incredibly well?

 

[Mutineer]

I would argue its one of the biggest criteria they use to determine whether to draft a certain player or not.

Strangely it was his Vic Metro/Sandringham Dragons/ teammate Josh Worrell that had some reputed red flags re mental health but he's settled in really well now. Of course looking at it from the outside he looks way more outgoing than McAsey.

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[Mr MysteryGuest]

A very disappointing result for Fischer and the club.
What I don't understand was the club giving him another 2 year extension when he obviously didn't want to be here

That's almost 2 years ago, things change

 

[Mutineer]

I'll bump this post I made a couple of months back

Was it more a lack of general KPF talent that year, rather than McAsey really performing incredibly well?

Vic Metro coaches and Talent management team couldn't have thought so to give him their M.V.P. of the Carnival over Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson?

Vic Metro's coaching group that year was made up of some pretty bloody good past players Brett Allison, Travis Cloke, Ross Smith Martin Allison and Michael Rizzio...no mugs there.

Edit : McAsey and Worrell both played pretty well in that year's U18's All Australian team that defeated the Casey Demons VFL team..

 

[Danger in Texas]

Vic Metro coaches and Talent management team couldn't have thought so to give him their M.V.P. of the Carnival over Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson?

Still doesn't change the fact he beat down on low-rated opponents during those Champs

Allows for an impressive, Champs-best performance by a KPD, but a false indicator of what his actual talent might've been (as I said, I got tricked there too)

 

[Mutineer]

Still doesn't change the fact he beat down on low-rated opponents during those Champs

Allows for an impressive, Champs-best performance by a KPD, but a false indicator of what his actual talent might've been (as I said, I got tricked there too)

C'mon D.I.T. McAsey was always highly rated right through his junior football...i.e. AFL Academy

 

[Scorpus]

I'll bump this post I made a couple of months back

Was it more a lack of general KPF talent that year, rather than McAsey really performing incredibly well?

Great insight. I think it shows the limitations of the (otherwise great) Victorian underage system. Can only play against the small group of players in your age group either in the Vic system or Nationals, versus say in SA where players might get a chance at SANFL level

 

[1990crow]

Also who gives a damn about how "happy" they look. Lever looked super happy.

In the future I want the players we draft to be happy to picked by us.

 

[Mutineer]

Great insight. I think it shows the limitations of the (otherwise great) Victorian underage system. Can only play against the small group of players in your age group either in the Vic system or Nationals, versus say in SA where players might get a chance at SANFL level

Who is the last KPD drafted from SA that played League footy?

And btw in pre covid times plenty of NAB League players played several VFL games in their draft year.

 

[1990crow]

Who is the last KPD drafted from SA that played League footy?

And btw in pre covid times plenty of NAB League players played several VFL games in their draft year.

SA hasn't produced very many good key defenders over the past decade.

 

[Mutineer]

SA hasn't produced very many good key defenders over the past decade.

Brennan Cox would be the best by a fair margin

 

[Danger in Texas]

C'mon D.I.T. McAsey was always highly rated right through his junior football...i.e. AFL Academy

Not saying he wasn't, he obviously showed traits that made me, you and obviously some AFL recruiters think he was worthy of a first-round pick - no mean feat. Arguably one of the best contested marks of the ball I've seen at that level

Just that the accolades (such as U18 AA and MVP), given who he faced, mightn't have been the best indicator of his actual talent level, particularly in hindsight

 

[jackster83]

Who is the last KPD drafted from SA that played League footy?

And btw in pre covid times plenty of NAB League players played several VFL games in their draft year.

Leek Aleer I'm guessing.

 

[Mutineer]

Leek Aleer I'm guessing.

And even he was drafted as an over-ager and I'm pretty sure he didn't play any League the 1st year he was eligible to be drafted?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

In the future I want the players we draft to be happy to picked by us.

That’s definitely an increased focus by us in last 2-3 years

 

[Scorpus]

SA hasn't produced very many good key defenders over the past decade.

Really only Brennan Cox, Harrison Petty and Charlie Ballard who are getting regular AFL games - and Cox played forward underage