Football Related Random Thread - PART 2

[M Malice]

All I have to say is I love wearing our Indigenous merchandise.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I expect to cop some flak for this.

And I do not know how to phrase this appropriately.


I know there are many Aboriginal people with lighter skin, but I find most of the “welcome to country elders” that represent the AFL very “white”, and they don’t really represent the traditional owners of our land, to my eyes.

The government actively kidnapped indigenous children as part of a systematic policy to breed out their dark skin over generations.

I’d start there to try and frame your understanding.

Then consider that cultural and kinship connections can be measured in many different ways other than very Eurocentric understandings such as the colour of your skin or in eugenics adjacent benchmarks based on fractions and “bloodlines”.

And if you want to go further back in time, consider that 100 years after European settlement, the indigenous population had been reduced by approximately 90 percent.

Colonial Frontier Massacres, Australia, 1780 to 1930, v3

The chances of a line of descendants surviving the violence and disease of settlement, then at least half a century of frontier msssacres, then not sexually intermixing with non-indigenous people (either via the Stolen Generations, sexual assault on the frontier, or voluntarily) by the year 2022…

Pretty remote.

It’s a very odd critique to put out there.

 

[Elixuh]

I expect to cop some flak for this.

And I do not know how to phrase this appropriately.


I know there are many Aboriginal people with lighter skin, but I find most of the “welcome to country elders” that represent the AFL very “white”, and they don’t really represent the traditional owners of our land, to my eyes.

Instead of making ignorant comments and prefacing it by some wet fish “I’m going to cop some flak for this” why don’t you educate yourself?

Really shit comment briztoon. Stick to talking about the draft.

 

[briztoon]

Instead of making ignorant comments and prefacing it by some wet fish “I’m going to cop some flak for this” why don’t you educate yourself?

Really s**t comment briztoon. Stick to talking about the draft.

How is it a shit comment when it sounded like two of the participants on different nights, sounded like they were reciting a learned script and didn’t actually know the language they were speaking.

Hollow Knight I am very much aware of what happened to Aboriginal peoples in Australia. Back in the 80’s my mother did an Aboriginal rangers course, and I traveled all over QLD with my mum, visiting many communities and sites, learning about their cultures and their histories.

I am saying that it would be nice to see people more representative of the traditional owners of our land, rather than people that could be mistaken for being European.

 

[BRAB]

How is it a s**t comment when it sounded like two of the participants on different nights, sounded like they were reciting a learned script and didn’t actually know the language they were speaking.

Hollow Knight I am very much aware of what happened to Aboriginal peoples in Australia. Back in the 80’s my mother did an Aboriginal rangers course, and I traveled all over QLD with my mum, visiting many communities and sites, learning about their cultures and their histories.

I am saying that it would be nice to see people more representative of the traditional owners of our land, rather than people that could be mistaken for being European.

Why are you questioning the aboriginality of somebody just because of the way they look?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Hollow Knight I am very much aware of what happened to Aboriginal peoples in Australia. Back in the 80’s my mother did an Aboriginal rangers course, and I traveled all over QLD with my mum, visiting many communities and sites, learning about their cultures and their histories.

I am saying that it would be nice to see people more representative of the traditional owners of our land, rather than people that could be mistaken for being European.

Well I raised specific historical context to explain why what you feel to be “representative” isn’t actually accurate, nor possible in most cases.

I don’t think you really seem interested in engaging with it which now makes me question your motives in the original post.

As a history teacher, I gave your intentions the benefit of the doubt but your follow-up now makes me wonder.

 

[rye]

the colour of an aboriginal Australian's skin does not determine how connected they are to their indigenous heritage

 

[Nunez]

How is it a s**t comment when it sounded like two of the participants on different nights, sounded like they were reciting a learned script and didn’t actually know the language they were speaking.

Hollow Knight I am very much aware of what happened to Aboriginal peoples in Australia. Back in the 80’s my mother did an Aboriginal rangers course, and I traveled all over QLD with my mum, visiting many communities and sites, learning about their cultures and their histories.

I am saying that it would be nice to see people more representative of the traditional owners of our land, rather than people that could be mistaken for being European.

I didn't think you could make a shit take even worse, but here we are.

 

[Elixuh]

How is it a s**t comment when it sounded like two of the participants on different nights, sounded like they were reciting a learned script and didn’t actually know the language they were speaking.

Hollow Knight I am very much aware of what happened to Aboriginal peoples in Australia. Back in the 80’s my mother did an Aboriginal rangers course, and I traveled all over QLD with my mum, visiting many communities and sites, learning about their cultures and their histories.

I am saying that it would be nice to see people more representative of the traditional owners of our land, rather than people that could be mistaken for being European.

So in summary, you would like Indigenous people to appear and act in a way which confirms your stereotypes of Indigenous people? Your views are ****ed dude.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

How is it a s**t comment when it sounded like two of the participants on different nights, sounded like they were reciting a learned script and didn’t actually know the language they were speaking.

Hollow Knight I am very much aware of what happened to Aboriginal peoples in Australia. Back in the 80’s my mother did an Aboriginal rangers course, and I traveled all over QLD with my mum, visiting many communities and sites, learning about their cultures and their histories.

I am saying that it would be nice to see people more representative of the traditional owners of our land, rather than people that could be mistaken for being European.

So you're wondering why representatives of traditional lands that have are now urban areas dominated by the descendants of European immigrants aren't more dark-skinned like those in more remote communities? And you're also asking that they should engage in some more pubic speaking training?

Perhaps give it all a bit more thought.

 

[chopperduck]

Seems like the issue might be what your view of what traditional land owners should look like, rather than how white they actually are.

 

[briztoon]

Well I raised specific historical context to explain why what you feel to be “representative” isn’t actually accurate, nor possible in most cases.

I don’t think you really seem interested in engaging with it which now makes me question your motives in the original post.

As a history teacher, I gave your intentions the benefit of the doubt but your follow-up now makes me wonder.

It’s quite possible in Brisbane. The welcome to country at the Gabba in the 2020 final we played is an example.

There are no motives to my original post. I’m incredibly shallow in that regard, in what I say is exactly what I mean.

It’s very simple, almost all the AFL’s welcome to country are performed by very “white“ Aboriginals. I would like to see them performed by people who are more representative of the traditional owners of our lands.

 

[briztoon]

So you're wondering why representatives of traditional lands that have are now urban areas dominated by the descendants of European immigrants aren't more dark-skinned like those in more remote communities? And you're also asking that they should engage in some more pubic speaking training?

Perhaps give it all a bit more thought.

Ever visited the office under the cafe on Mt Gravatt?

There are plenty of dark skinned Aboriginals in Brisbane, certainly in Perth as well.

 

[martinson]

I don't pretend to be as educated as some of the learned people here on this issue but I'm privileged to live half my life in the Far North and have done a little work in the indigenous communities here and seen things I would never have wished to witness , other things that are heartwarming and a cause for optimism , and heard many stories of the past.

I take it all in. I don't have any answers as to the future.

 

[Elixuh]

It’s quite possible in Brisbane. The welcome to country at the Gabba in the 2020 final we played is an example.

There are no motives to my original post. I’m incredibly shallow in that regard, in what I say is exactly what I mean.

It’s very simple, almost all the AFL’s welcome to country are performed by very “white“ Aboriginals. I would like to see them performed by people who are more representative of the traditional owners of our lands.

People don't usually self-report these kind of things, credit to you my dude, credit to you.

 

[briztoon]

the colour of an aboriginal Australian's skin does not determine how connected they are to their indigenous heritage

You are correct.

But that’s not what I was trying to highlight.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Ever visited the office under the cafe on Mt Gravatt?

There are plenty of dark skinned Aboriginals in Brisbane, certainly in Perth as well.

Well, I'm sure they'd be happy to hear your suggestions on the matter.

I'm not commenting any further on this patently ludicrous point of view. My neck is tired from shaking my head.

 

[western royboy]

Seems like the issue might be what your view of what traditional land owners should look like, rather than how white they actually are.

Reflective of a cohort of people sadly like my parents…ignorant fools fed stereotypes by a complicit media, like a form of indoctrination

 

[briztoon]

I didn't think you could make a s**t take even worse, but here we are.

What, that I have an issue that two of the welcome to country I watched this weekend, sounded like they were performed by people who didn’t naturally speak the language?

 

[Nunez]

What, that I have an issue that two of the welcome to country I watched this weekend, sounded like they were performed by people who didn’t naturally speak the language?

Yes. It's an extremely shit take.

 

[Nunez]

Honestly, imagine telling an indigenous person they're not indigenous enough to do the welcome to country. ****ing hell.

 

[McIvor]

<insert Grandpa Simpsons gif? lol

 

[briztoon]

People don't usually self-report these kind of things, credit to you my dude, credit to you.

You’ll have to explain that to me in a less nuanced way.

 

[Hollow Knight]

What, that I have an issue that two of the welcome to country I watched this weekend, sounded like they were performed by people who didn’t naturally speak the language?

Gee, now I wonder what historical events could have limited the transfer of culture, language, customs and traditions, making it desperately difficult for subsequent generations to desperately hold on to what was stolen from them.

 

[briztoon]

Honestly, imagine telling an indigenous person they're not indigenous enough to do the welcome to country. ******* hell.

I don’t mean that at all.

So you have no problem with someone learning the lines of a language they’re not potentially familiar with, performing such a ceremony.