Roast Footy Fan Bashed At The MCG

[magpiewarrior]

Re: Footy fan bashed at MCG

This just isn't the case.

I think way too many people have been sucked in by movies and television as to what jumping in actually means and what happens in these situations. In particular, we've been taught that they guy trying to break it up is "neutral" and won't be set upon by either side. This just isn't true. And we're not talking about a black eye or even a broken nose, you could well end up with an irreparably scarred face, stab wounds or brain damage.

I had this chat as a teenager with a guy a few years older who more than knew how to take care of himself. He basically said: look, it's a great thing to want to help out...but if you're going to jump in, you do so with the understanding that an attempt at making peace will often fail. And if it fails, you better be prepared to go all out, whether that means throwing an elbow to the face or snapping fingers or whatever else. And if you do go all out, you better be prepared to face criminal court and possibly even prison time, because good samaritans aren't immune to the trappings of the Law.

All of which is to say, if you see someone being set upon, call the police, call for help, but keep a safe distance. And if you do want to jump in, make sure you really understand what that may involve.

MDC I get where you're coming from but the idea of staying a safe distance etc. is not the answer. People get bashed senseless, sometimes irrepairably so, while we wait for the authorities to respond (not blaming the authorities as such simply stating the facts). The problem that you point out is only valid because only one person steps in. If these peices of human excrement, that think it's fair game to bash anyone that they outsize or out-number, then the only answer is to make sure that they realise that they are the ones that will be outnumbered once they start being w*nkers. These gutless turds only behave like this because they are confident that if anyone steps in it will only be one or two. If they realise that all able bodied folk in the vicinty are going to step in, their gutless nature will hold them in check or else the sheer overwhelming numbers will see them being restrained until the authorities can respond and take them into custody.
Once upon a time the response from people would have automatically been such that, those committing these dog acts, would have known that they were going to be quickly overwhelmed. Not any more because we are all given the advice to stay out of it, don't get involved etc. This atitude has become endemmic and is the reason that many of the more appalling crimes even take place. Crims and w*nkers alike become more and more brazen for this very reason.
That's my rant on my soapbox.

 

[Swooop]

You're allowed to tell your version of events.

There's also a very different version of events posted by a Collingwood poster on the Carlton board, post # 49, who was one row away and saw things unfold for an hour or so before the final blow up.

I would point out he only joined BF the other day and this was his/her first post, so no known posting history or credentials known...

But it was a version that sounded honest and genuine and put things in a very different perspective ( still not good, but not as sickenly bad as what the official version sounded)

 

[Gak Attack]

Re: Footy fan bashed at MCG

The anti-collingwood vibe in the main board thread is over the top atm.

My prayers to the Blues guy who was set upon.

Someone mentioned having a alcohol-free round. That could be interesting, but will never happen because of the $$$$$$ the AFL will miss out on or have to compensate alcohol for loss of income.

Another poster mentioned how scared kids get when witnessing yelling, swearing and at times, physical violence whilst watching a footy match.
Today at the Dees / Lions game, 3 Dees supporters (who weren't drinking) were over-the-top (including a lot of swearing) with their verbal attacks on the Dee players, the Lions players and the umps.
Quite a few families were there and some kids were actually crying due to these ******* antics.
They were told to calm down by a few of us (including me), but continued with the antics. MCG staff told them to quieten down and ONLY then did they behave.

So it isn't always alcohol that causes these issues, just idiots with small brains.

It's one bad blight on the game, while 99% or more of us are fine at the footy there are just some bogans who can't get through their simple brains that there are others about. It's not just groups of youngsters too, even 2 Granny's can be bad(not in a violent way), I was at a game a few years ago and two old ladies were yelling some foul stuff out and my old girl asked them ease up and she just copped an earful even though she was supporting the same team. At the end of the day every club has feral supporters and they seem to breed like rabbits and produce more of them, 1 strike ban them for the season and 2 gone for life.

Does anyone know if the MCG employs any plain clothes security to keep an eye on things?

 

[Bingles]

There's also a very different version of events posted by a Collingwood poster on the Carlton board, post # 49, who was one row away and saw things unfold for an hour or so before the final blow up.

I would point out he only joined BF the other day and this was his/her first post, so no known posting history or credentials known...

But it was a version that sounded honest and genuine and put things in a very different perspective ( still not good, but not as sickenly bad as what the official version sounded)

If that sounded genuine then I'll go he. It sounded like somebody very scared of getting into trouble over something that they were a party to rather than genuine information.

 

[Swooop]

If that sounded genuine then I'll go he. It sounded like somebody very scared of getting into trouble over something that they were a party to rather than genuine information.

Yes that's how it appears it was interpreted on your board.

Rightly or wrongly... who'd know.

TBH, it sounded as plausible to me as the official version, which sounded almost too bad to be true. But maybe that's just my wishful thinking on behalf of humanity.

You could also argue if he was scared of getting into trouble he'd not have joined BF to just give his version.

Obviously I'd have no idea what happened, all I'm saying I thought it sounded an honest opinion...and then another poster came on here to say she also thought the thruth was very different to the published story.

These are observer opinions...other witness observer opinions would be interesting to hear.

I guess it will all come out in the fullness of time, and let's hope when it does, firm action is taken and let's also hope some really strong messages come out form this with actions to make recurrences less likely.

eg should people have a lower threashold for ringing the crowd control number and the AFL employ more security people or curb alcohol sales.

 

[Ed D]

To be blunt, people don't normally get bashed for no reason, let alone in public. Drugs/alcohol could have played a major part in this, or perhaps something was said or done, who knows? In saying that it still doesn't make it right for what happened and physical violence should never be the answer at a game of football.

 

[kevind]

If that sounded genuine then I'll go he. It sounded like somebody very scared of getting into trouble over something that they were a party to rather than genuine information.

There are a few things about this case that don't make much sense. Particularly that a 23 year old suspect was apparently questioned by the police and let go.

Surely an arrest should have been made.

If the opossing view of what was supposed to have happened is true, there should be hundreds of witnesses , as the poster claimed the Carlton guy climbed over seats to get at the '5 guys'. Police are apparently calling for witnesses so that poster has an easy path to confirm what they were claiming as being true.

No reason as yet to doubt the Carlton victim, but let's wait until all the facts are out.

 

[Swooop]

There are a few things about this case that don't make much sense. Particularly that a 23 year old suspect was apparently questioned by the police and let go.

Surely an arrest should have been made.

If the opossing view of what was supposed to have happened is true, there should be hundreds of witnesses , as the poster claimed the Carlton guy climbed over seats to get at the '5 guys'. Police are apparently calling for witnesses so that poster has an easy path to confirm what they were claiming as being true.

No reason as yet to doubt the Carlton victim, but let's wait until all the facts are out.

The facts will come out, and I strongly suspect they will put a completely reverse angle on this story we have been given so far.

And kevind you are right, if he did climb back over a couple of rows of seats to get to the five guys, and then started throwing punches, before he received some back, there will indeed be witnesses to that.

 

[Helfarch]

I thoroughly enjoyed all the vitriol, threats and outlandish punishments suggested in this thread.

Seriously, did none of you wonder why what the guy claimed to have said changed with every interview? Why there were no elderly women to be found?

 

[Swooop]

I thoroughly enjoyed all the vitriol, threats and outlandish punishments suggested in this thread.

Seriously, did none of you wonder why what the guy claimed to have said changed with every interview? Why there were no elderly women to be found?

What different versions have come out from the guy or other official channels so far?

In fairness, we all formed our initial opinions based on the the story as reported in the media.

It won't be long before eye witness accounts start coming out, which may well see a radical change of people's views after that initial story we were fed, where, very appropriately, we were all sickened and disgusted by it.

If so, media credibility is going to take another nosedive after this.

Hopefully the real truth comes out, so appropriate action can be taken against the instigator(s).

 

[jemmma]

I was there when the fight happened. The reason why no old ladies have come foward is because there were no old ladies being harassed. The guy in hospital, who played the hero turned victim, lied about everything, includng his children being scared.
It's too late though, unless more witnesses come foward and say what really happened, he will be let out as a hero who was hit because he was sticking up for old ladies (WHICH DID NOT HAPPEN!)
I'm not making this up because I don't want the 5 guys to get in trouble they were definitely in the wrong too. But I got hit by this guy since they brought the fight next to me and were oblivious that I was there, and to see him lie, like he did, really angered me.
post 49 on the Carlton board, referring to this fight is telling the truth.
Please understand where I'm coming from