Frawley to Join Hawks. (Pick 3 to the Dees)

[Mitchell19]

Got a link or source for that?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-as-compensation/story-fni5f8ge-1227081173430

"A handful of clubs believed Frawley’s Hawks contract — believed to be worth $2.2 million across four years — could only net the Demons an end-of-first-round selection."

 

[Sprout]

Great get for Hawthorn but geez, pick 3 for Frawley? In what world is he better than GAJ or Buddy?

In no world.....its all about ripping off the top teams and over compensating the bottom teams....equalisation and all that.

How often will we see Buddy or Ablett type deals, and when they do occur, where are they going to go? Buddy went to another premiership contender. Ablett went to an expansion club that has been designed to become a premiership contender. Dangerfield may become an exception, but I'll be surprised.

If you don't account for ladder position with compensation under this FA bullshit, then equalisation is dead and buried, because you are cementing clubs to the bottom as players walk out the door.

I'm sorry the Hawks fans are so distraught about getting a late first rounder as opposed to an early first rounder for Buddy. Maybe you can watch replays of the GF to ease the pain a little bit.

Baby steps. You'll get through it.

 

[Black Dynamite]

Compensation has nothing to do with how good a player is, it is all about his age and the contract offered.
People seem to be linking it with how good the player may or may not be which is not the case.
That said Frawley was seen by Hawthorn, Geelong and Fremantle as good enough to make a serious play for, so maybe he is better than some give him credit for.
He will definitely make Hawthorn a better side.
They are the real winners as they add a fully developed AA KPD and pay nothing for him in relation to their draft situation.

 

[Iago]

Frawley getting 2.2 Mill over 4 years.

So by my maths that is less money and less years than the Straight Setters.

But more per annum.

 

[melbournemartin]

In no world.....its all about ripping off the top teams and over compensating the bottom teams....equalisation and all that.

Given the trend is for good players to leave struggling teams to go to premiership contenders, then yes, the system is setup to cater for that.

 

[KHutch]

AFL needs to make player salaries public to have any semblance of transparency, especially with FA and a history of salary cap rorts across the league.

You are aware of all the players who have left Hawthorn at the end of 2013. The only "quality" player we got this year was McEvoy. The rest were fringe players or rookies. Buddy, Savage, Young, Ellis, Bailey, Guerra, Osborne would have taken up a decent amount of money.

 

[hk89]

AFL Hawks at it again

You do realise the "AFL Swans" taunt arises because of the extra cap space the AFL has given you over the last 20 years? And by 'given' I mean literally given, they actually pay for it, rather than coming out of Swans revenue (which is lucky as most years you would make a loss if you had to cover it yourselves). In what way is our ability to afford Frawley due to a contribution from the AFL? If anything it is a gift from the "AFL Swans" created by creating a big buddy sized hole in our total player payments (cleverly preserved by upfronting of contracts this year).

 

[KHutch]

No point arguing about the compensation for this because either people are too stupid to understand the system or are just plain sooks

But anyone arguing that Frawley isnt a gun hasnt watched Melbourne play, despite our horrible defense Chip could always be trusted to take Walker, Hawkins, Cloke etc and Would often beat them, now playing in a team that is going to provide support I can almost guarantee he will go AA again

I agree, its a fairly basic system, calculated on the tier of the player and the finishing position of the team they are leaving. The pick number is irrelevant in the outcome, its about the system compensation.

 

[Mercy Seat]

Got a link or source for that?

Graham Wright, hawthorn list manager said last night on Sports Today that hawthorn offered less money and less years than the cats.

He chose the hawks because he wants to win premierships.

 

[KHutch]

I think a lot of people are going to look silly calling Frawley a spud. When was the last time a player had a good year in the last year of their contract before leaving. Ablett, Franklin, Cloke (even though he stayed), Goddard, etc, all had relatively poor years by their standards in the their contract year. I am confident that he will be a good player, in a very good defensive unit.

Also I can't believe people are sinking the boots into Melbourne. This club has been on the bottom of the ladder for 8 years. They need all the help they can get. They probably should have been given the priority pick, and then given an end of first round for Frawley. It is not good for the competition having the same team on the bottom of the ladder for so long.

It is also easy for hero's to say that it is Melbourne's fault that they are so poor and they shouldn't be given help from the AFL, when it's not your team.

They've been on the bottom for 8 years, why hasnt anything come from all the high draft and priority draft picks? The AFL has even given them an experienced good coach. Short of just telling other teams to forfeit, I'm not sure how much more they should get.

 

[MC_9]

They've been on the bottom for 8 years, why hasnt anything come from all the high draft and priority draft picks? The AFL has even given them an experienced good coach. Short of just telling other teams to forfeit, I'm not sure how much more they should get.

Exactly. Does AFL just wipe their hands of it now, and go oh well. We tried.

Granted they have been managed poorly. But this is the whole point of the priority pick system. To help teams that can't off the bottom of the ladder. They need to more help to get off the bottom of the ladder.

I really hope that in the next few year Melbourne are able to replicate Port Adelaide rise. Their supporters don't deserve to have their team perennially on the bottom of the ladder.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

You are aware of all the players who have left Hawthorn at the end of 2013. The only "quality" player we got this year was McEvoy. The rest were fringe players or rookies. Buddy, Savage, Young, Ellis, Bailey, Guerra, Osborne would have taken up a decent amount of money.

I was making a more general comment not specifically referring to Hawthorn.

 

[TazHawk15]

I'm sorry the Hawks fans are so distraught about getting a late first rounder as opposed to an early first rounder for Buddy. Maybe you can watch replays of the GF to ease the pain a little bit.

Baby steps. You'll get through it.

We are distraught.

I suppose winning 12 Premierships in a touch over 50 years will help us cope.

 

[HolyWars]

Didnt fire a shot till a 23/24yo...one AA 4 yrs ago.
Injuries and long patches of form where he didnt just get beaten..he got murdered.

but lets not pretend hawthorn are getting one of the games best defenders. They'll need to do a lot of work with him to get him up to the standard of others. Been a witches hat for long periods of his career and we've all cut him slack due to feeling sorry for the Dees.

Kurt Tippett.

 

[greennick]

Compensation has nothing to do with how good a player is, it is all about his age and the contract offered.
People seem to be linking it with how good the player may or may not be which is not the case.
That said Frawley was seen by Hawthorn, Geelong and Fremantle as good enough to make a serious play for, so maybe he is better than some give him credit for.
He will definitely make Hawthorn a better side.
They are the real winners as they add a fully developed AA KPD and pay nothing for him in relation to their draft situation.

Buddy's contract was longer, bigger, he is better, he has more awards, etc. In no way is Frawley worth more than Buddy.

They need to remove the link to the club's finishing position. And then decrease what they give overall, it shouldn't be full compensation for a player leaving. There is no way Melboune would have gotten pick 3 if it was a trade. Not one club would give that up for Spud.

Buddy should have been a mid first round and that should be the top pick. Frawley should be an end of first round at best.

 

[thetank]

Pick 3 a fair outcome for the Dees.

I think Pick 1 would have been fairer, however them's the breaks.

Brayshaw and Petracca with Picks 2 and 3 and Dees will be storming up the ladder in 2015.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Has Frawley officially gone yet or do Sydney still have enough time to put him on an 11 year colotract

 

[Syd]

How often will we see Buddy or Ablett type deals, and when they do occur, where are they going to go? Buddy went to another premiership contender. Ablett went to an expansion club that has been designed to become a premiership contender. Dangerfield may become an exception, but I'll be surprised.

If you don't account for ladder position with compensation under this FA bullshit, then equalisation is dead and buried, because you are cementing clubs to the bottom as players walk out the door.

I'm sorry the Hawks fans are so distraught about getting a late first rounder as opposed to an early first rounder for Buddy. Maybe you can watch replays of the GF to ease the pain a little bit.

Baby steps. You'll get through it.

So crap club = priority pick?
Good club =get screwed?

Maybe the formula should be to equate compensation to fair trade value instead?

 

[Tulip]

The great man;

Big move from Leppa, what a hero.

Just on appropriate compensation, one of the best midfielders in the league is 24 years old and wants to come to Brisbane - why won't they give the Magpies a fair price? Relax your flaps Justin, and turn off the PR machine. Pick 5 rather than 4 won't be the difference between Beams and no Beams, but actually paying something close to the value of an elite young mid would be.

 

[Tulip]

ITT: Zingers.

"Melbourne will waste the picks"

"Why was my double Premiership side poorly compensated? Woe be me"

 

[Baby Duck]

Graham Wright, hawthorn list manager said last night on Sports Today that hawthorn offered less money and less years than the cats.

He chose the hawks because he wants to win premierships.

He joined too late. No more flags after this years for a while I'm sorry.

 

[Hawthorn1314]

He joined too late. No more flags after this years for a while I'm sorry.

Yeah okay. How did the Geelong VFL club go in the reserves, Box Hill made the GF this year for a second successive year after debuting 8 players in the seniors.

Of all clubs to talk about declines it had to be a Geelomg fan LOL.

Hawthorn just secured a former #2 GWS pick, a day after securing Frawley and a week after winning back to back flags. As for Geelong

 

[flinchfree]

This theory relies on a player and his manager accepting below what they know he could get and Sydney deceptively short changing a huge portion of their list. It's amazing how this and the "ambassador payments are worth 500k each" shite are lines that got developed on bigfooty and are now trotted out as fact.

Don't you understand...the highest possible compensation Tier 1 is the pick following your first round pick.
Hawthorn's 1st round pick was 18....therefore its compensation was pick 19.

Melbournes first round pick is pick 3 its compensation is pick 4

The AFL's compensation is in place to protect the teams down the bottom of the ladder and rip of the teams that are higher on the ladder.
Its the only part of free agency that the AFL could control in terms of equalisation.

Sorry Dipper, you're wrong.
Read those rules you quote again.
There is room for the committee to make the allocation of a pick, at whatever number they want, if they feel the standard form of the rules have not adequately or appropriately addressed the player's move to a different club.
Band one shmand one.

Please, please make sure you keep this incredibly important point in mind before being such a blowhard to every other poster who rightly comments that the pick allocations for Frawley and Buddy were not analogous.

 

[nineteen eighty]

I'll get in early declaring the Hawks will be the big winners from this trade period. Frawley and now O'Rourke coming out and saying he wants to join them.

 

[melbournemartin]

I'll get in early declaring the Hawks will be the big winners from this trade period. Frawley and now O'Rourke coming out and saying he wants to join them.

Good on em. It's reverse tanking.

Other teams tried to lose games to get top draft picks. Hawthorn wins games and has top draft picks want to play for them two years after drafting, inevitably costing them lower picks in a trade.