Free Agency Compensation must be abolished

[Coach_Required]

We feel like fans of a second class club watching AFL pet clubs playing grand finals and winning premierships getting AFL assistance and discounts nearly every year when they don't need it.

So we are pretty dirty at the AFL ATM.

But the VAFL has been doing this for a very long time so we were used to the BS but it just seems to be getting worse every year.

Just rename the cup the AFL Assistance Cup. If you aren't on the end of that gravey train you are just there to make up the numbers.

I think it's the CFL personally, as soon as you win it, the CFL change the rules, so it's designed against you. Whether that be actual game interpretations or off field decisions that impact your club from using resources. I can see why you think it's a VFL thing though as most of the really poor teams in the comp the past 20 years have been Vic teams so the CFL leg up seems very biased.

I could go on as to why I think Richmond wasn't as favoured as you'd think, but then I can't be bothered arguing on here.

 

[iameviljez]

We feel like fans of a second class club watching AFL pet clubs playing grand finals and winning premierships getting AFL assistance and discounts nearly every year when they don't need it.

So we are pretty dirty at the AFL ATM.

Does crystal meth inhibit sperm counts for past players? Asking for a friend.

 

[lordbob]

Not surprised a fan from a Melbourne based club would say this.

It is the non-Victorian clubs that suffer from this more, and it is also harder for the non-Victorian clubs to get free agents too. Teams like GWS and Gold Coast would be screwed if Free Agency compensation was not a thing.

Tell me a club that has suffered more than the one who lost buddy franklin for a packet of chips

 

[Coach_Required]

Tell me a club that has suffered more than the one who lost buddy franklin for a packet of chips

Yep, another example as to why I think the comp is the CFL. As soon as your team is successful the AFL will find a way to disadvantage you. Total manipulation, every year its compromised against one team more than the others.

 

[BF Tiger]

St Kilda get pick 8 for Josh Battle

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Josh Battle

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26

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12.9

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9.0

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3.9

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5.0

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2.4

4star

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196.8

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11.0

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7.3

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3.8

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4.0

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1.8

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142.8

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10.8

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6.2

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3.4

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2.0

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175.6

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Pick 8 becomes a handy player.

Pick 8 becomes a free agent.

Pick 8 leaves St Kilda for a better club.

St Kilda gets pick X for pick 8.

The cycle continues.

 

[YouBeauty]

AFL's secret formula for compensation is no different from the rules that are 'interpreted' each week. Everything is based on 'feel' and is very subjective.

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

Pick 8 compensation for Battle is so obviously indefensible it is verging on farce.

If teams are going to be compensated at that level going forward, why would any team ever sign anyone on more than a one year contract? Given players can't actually be held to their contracts if they insist on leaving, and given you get more compensation if they are free agent than you would on the trading block, you're actually better off putting the entire list on rolling one year contracts.

And if you're getting superior compensation once they are a free agent, why would any team in their right mind bother trading a contracted player? Even if they are flat out refusing to pick up a football, You're actually better off just keeping them on the list until their contract expires.

 

[lordbob]

Clubs should never be in a position where they are better off for a player going through free agency.

Increase the threshold and remove band 1. If buddy only got the equivalent of band 2 then no one should be band 1.
(I know buddy went band 1, but because hawks were premiers, their band 1 and band 2 were the same thing pretty much)

 

[Astro35]

If they (afl) are too gutless to abolish it - then at least protect the first round and only have compo picks from 2nd round on.

 

[Obeanie1]

Clubs should never be in a position where they are better off for a player going through free agency.

Increase the threshold and remove band 1. If buddy only got the equivalent of band 2 then no one should be band 1.
(I know buddy went band 1, but because hawks were premiers, their band 1 and band 2 were the same thing pretty much)

Band 1 should start at pick 11.

And then at least the top 10 picks are safe from compo manipulations from colluding clubs.

That would be a nice start.

Not terribly difficult change to make.

 

[marcus1232]

I might be wrong, but pretty certain there are no free agency compo rules in other sports leagues around the world.
Seems to be another horrible Aussie speciality.

NHL and NFL both have compensation picks

 

[Rod Stroker]

Yet, Battle is a far better footballer than Ben McKay for which north were awarded pick 3.

LOL! "far better" based on what?

 

[iameviljez]

Tell me a club that has suffered more than the one who lost buddy franklin for a packet of chips

Oh piss off.

You lost Buddy, but you got Lake, Frawley, Vickery (hahaha), and Amon.

Compare that to clubs like GWS who just keep losing players.

 

[bzparkes]

You boys had plenty of opportunities to trade ya old established talent for picks

Gee, would be mighty nice to have had first round FS/academy picks at a discount though...

 

[cherrypie]

Not surprised a fan from a Melbourne based club would say this.

It is the non-Victorian clubs that suffer from this more, and it is also harder for the non-Victorian clubs to get free agents too. Teams like GWS and Gold Coast would be screwed if Free Agency compensation was not a thing.

It’s big-club bias, not Vic-bias.

Take for example us, our biggest free agency signings have been Suckling (injury-prone 27yo) and Jones (retired 31yo playing in the QAFL).

 

[cherrypie]

Oh piss off.

You lost Buddy, but you got Lake, Frawley, Vickery (hahaha), and Amon.

Compare that to clubs like GWS who just keep losing players.

Lake was not a free agent

 

[LordLucifer]

No FA compo

No F/S discounts

Clubs can trade players where & when they like as long at they are in the top half of the pay scale

All non-finalists get an extra draft pick prior to the first round

 

[bluespooner]

LOL! "far better" based on what?

Based on the fact that Battle has a footballer's IQ and can kick and handball comfortably. He can also use his non-dominant side and has the flexibility to play forward.

Most of these basic football skills Ben Mckay does not have and your own supporters used to refer to him as 'magoo'. North supporters couldn't believe their good fortune when the AFL awarded them the defacto priority pick which ended up as pick 3 in last year's draft.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

'WhY aReN'T WeST CoAsT aNd NoRtH nOt ImProvIng?!'

Because the teams that are finishing top 4 are getting three extra picks at the end of the first round for compo picks and taking talent away from them.

 

[Rod Stroker]

Based on the fact that Battle has a footballer's IQ and can kick and handball comfortably. He can also use his non-dominant side and has the flexibility to play forward.

That's nice. You omitted probably the most important skill for a defender; to mark or spoil, and keep the ball out of the hands of the oppositions best forwards. McKay does it better than most. Certainly better than Battle.

Most of these basic football skills Ben Mckay does not have and your own supporters used to refer to him as 'magoo'. North supporters couldn't believe their good fortune when the AFL awarded them the defacto priority pick which ended up as pick 3 in last year's draft.

It wasn't a priority pick.
It was pick 3, but that wasn't as bad as 8 for Battle, because McKay was the most in-demand KPD on the market.

 

[iameviljez]

Lake was not a free agent

Oh that’s right - he was a pre agent wasn’t he

 

[magpielicious]

Have no issues with players becoming free agents and being able to move clubs. The club the player moves to needs to compensate the club losing the player. It shouldnt be the responsibility of the other clubs to compensate the club losing the player.

 

[bluespooner]

Oh that’s right - he was a pre agent wasn’t he

They also lost a bloke who went on to become a norm smith medalist - the compensation was a pick in the 40s.

 

[lordbob]

Oh piss off.

You lost Buddy, but you got Lake, Frawley, Vickery (hahaha), and Amon.

Compare that to clubs like GWS who just keep losing players.

we traded for lake.
So buddy < frawley + vickery + amon?

tell me a club that would make that trade

but you've missed my point entirely.

If buddy is compensated with pick 19, no other player should get better compensation.

 

[Atomboy]

Clubs should never be in a position where they are better off for a player going through free agency.

Increase the threshold and remove band 1. If buddy only got the equivalent of band 2 then no one should be band 1.
(I know buddy went band 1, but because hawks were premiers, their band 1 and band 2 were the same thing pretty much)

Sorry what ?. You are saying that the club who is losing a player shouldn’t get adequate compensation ?.

Why not then just also remove the salary cap and turn it into the Premier League where the top 4-5 big clubs just poach players and remain at the top perpetually ?!.