Free Agency Compensation must be abolished

[iameviljez]

This is actually a fallacy. Most teams have lost free agents and most teams have gained free agents. It’s not just players leaving small/shit clubs to big/good clubs.

Yeah, but the Big Fish almost all shift up the pecking order (especially if you include Jeremy Cameron and Dangerfield, who were both RFA but the clubs indicated they'd match/actually matched).

The other big fish who moved (regardless of success) would be Lynch, Frawley, Lake, McKay, Vickery (!!), Daniher, McStay, and, arguably, Wells. There is Buddy Franklin, who admittedly moved from strong club to strong club, but he was a unique contract and a unique case.

The likes of StKilda and North get to fight over the leftovers.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Bottom clubs are getting pillaged by bigger more successful clubs.

Free agency can stay. Just not the top 10 picks compo handed out by AFL House.

Start compo at pick 11. Not linked to your ladder position. That's a start.

And no discounts for getting access to top line players.

I'd make 3 changes rather than remove compensation.

1. Compensation starts at end of R1. That way all clubs get to select at least 1 footballer first.

2. Compensation only for RFA. UFA for not being inside top 25% paid at the club shows club under values player. At tenure they've got 10 years service out of player.

3. Lower salary floor to 85-90%. Bottom clubs can that way build cash to match RFA offers. As well as attract their own FA talent.

 

[Handsuper47]

I'd be more okay with it if it's at the end of the first round

 

[TurnoverMerchant]

I’ve been saying this for years but why does the AFL compensate teams for losing Free Agents? The rest of the competition should not be disadvantaged because a club lost a free agent. Not only will it remove another grey area for the game in the AFL’s secret formula for awarding compo but surely the club is already being compensated by having that players salary removed from their cap. If you are freeing up $800-$1milfrom your cap you are in a good position to go out and grab your own free agent.
AFL is full of compromises everywhere however this is one that must be removed.

It's because 'freeing up salary' is not all that. A club like mine could just lose players for nothing via free agency and not be able to replace the players lost as we have no pulling power.

 

[iameviljez]

A club like mine could just lose players for nothing via free agency and not be able to replace the players lost as we have no pulling power.

Or perhaps, more accurately, that your pulling power only exists when you're winning flags, unlike the biggest clubs in each state.

 

[iameviljez]

I'd be more okay with it if it's at the end of the first round

Yeah, ditto. Multiple picks if you're losing a genuine superstar.

 

[TurnoverMerchant]

Yet, Battle is a far better footballer than Ben McKay for which north were awarded pick 3.

For the last time, the free agency compensation is about the value of the player to the PAYING club. They clearly don't have to be elite, but the paying club has to meet an objective threshold in order to net a certain 'band' return for the club losing the player.

 

[iameviljez]

For the last time, the free agency compensation is about the value of the player to the PAYING club. They clearly don't have to be elite, but the paying club has to meet an objective threshold in order to net a certain 'band' return for the club losing the player.

yes, we know. We also think that the system is broken when Ben McKay nets p3.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Been saying this for a long time.
Introduce pre-agency. Allow teams to trade players with 1 yr before free agency left. Abolish compensation

 

[iameviljez]

Been saying this for a long time.
Introduce pre-agency. Allow teams to trade players with 1 yr before free agency left. Abolish compensation

Teams can trade players with 1 year left already. Arguably this is already what's happening with out of contract players who aren't free agents.

 

[oak79]

100% it should he scrapped.

And if you're worried about helping top teams, make a rule RTA can't go to top 8 teams, via free agency. If a top 8 team wants someone, they have to trade.

Unrestricted can go anywhere. Still no compo

 

[oak79]

yes, we know. We also think that the system is broken when Ben McKay nets p3.

And pushes every other team down. It's ridiculous

 

[rapidfire7]

Comical how everyone else has to suffer as a result of a FA move.

The more moves, the more suffering (although there obviously isn't compensation absolutely every time).

You might as well be part of it to share in some of the spoils, otherwise it's just lose, lose, lose.

 

[oak79]

It's because 'freeing up salary' is not all that. A club like mine could just lose players for nothing via free agency and not be able to replace the players lost as we have no pulling power.

Then a club like yours need to find a way to attract players.

That shouldn't be at the expense of every other club via the current compo pick scam.

 

[iameviljez]

And pushes every other team down. It's ridiculous

Hence why I think it should be shifted to go between the pick rounds, at the very least.

 

[Altum Volantes]

100% abolish it.

The ‘compensation’ is more room in the cap to pursue someone who actually wants to play for you.

Absolutely ridiculous set up, often rewarding poor management.

 

[rapidfire7]

Hence why I think it should be shifted to go between the pick rounds, at the very least.

I personally think it shouldn't exist, but that is something in the middle at least.

 

[rapidfire7]

100% abolish it.

The ‘compensation’ is more room in the cap to pursue someone who actually wants to play for you.

Absolutely ridiculous set up, often rewarding poor management.

I might be wrong, but pretty certain there are no free agency compo rules in other sports leagues around the world.
Seems to be another horrible Aussie speciality.

 

[Coach_Required]

Wonder how Eagle fans are feeling right now.

Last year pick 1 and their 2nd pick got pushed out to about 30.

This year pick 3 and their 2nd pick currently is around 25.

AFL working its magic.

 

[Obeanie1]

This is actually a fallacy. Most teams have lost free agents and most teams have gained free agents. It’s not just players leaving small/shit clubs to big/good clubs.

Grading the 49 AFL free agents who have moved clubs in the last 10 years

We've gone through the 49 players who have moved via free agency in the last decade and given them a grade.

www.sen.com.au

A fair few average players that have generated some over the top compo picks in that list.

So apart from Franklin leaving for the biggest contract in AFL history what gun free agents have left big clubs?

 

[Ross]

Yeah, but the Big Fish almost all shift up the pecking order (especially if you include Jeremy Cameron and Dangerfield, who were both RFA but the clubs indicated they'd match/actually matched).

Dangerfield was actually the opposite case in 2015, Crows made finals and we missed out. It's why we had to trade for him, the compensation pick the Crows would have got (14) was clearly worse than our first round pick (9).

It's actually a huge flaw in the system but nobody cared with the Dangerfield trade because it involved us and everybody else was wanting us to fall down the ladder anyway. Shit will hit the fan though when, for example, a big name RFA wants to go home and leaves a powerful Vic club in the top four for a non-Vic club in the bottom six only for the top four Vic club to match the bid and extract a top five draft pick.

The AFL will claim nobody could have ever seen this scenario coming and react late as always, then 'fix' it by making changes that introduce several other ways for teams to game the system.

 

[Obeanie1]

Wonder how Eagle fans are feeling right now.

Last year pick 1 and their 2nd pick got pushed out to about 30.

This year pick 3 and their 2nd pick currently is around 25.

AFL working its magic.

We feel like fans of a second class club watching AFL pet clubs playing grand finals and winning premierships getting AFL assistance and discounts nearly every year when they don't need it.

So we are pretty dirty at the AFL ATM.

But the VAFL has been doing this for a very long time so we were used to the BS but it just seems to be getting worse every year.

Just rename the cup the AFL Assistance Cup. If you aren't on the end of that gravey train you are just there to make up the numbers.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Teams can trade players with 1 year left already. Arguably this is already what's happening with out of contract players who aren't free agents.

Player still has to agree. I mean reams can trade them anywhere with 1 year left, but the offset is no compo

 

[iameviljez]

Dangerfield was actually the opposite case in 2015, Crows made finals and we missed out. It's why we had to trade for him, the compensation pick the Crows would have got (14) was clearly worse than our first round pick (9).

That's true, I forgot we missed finals that year. Clearly I'm not used to it

 

[iameviljez]

Player still has to agree. I mean reams can trade them anywhere with 1 year left, but the offset is no compo

Of course the player has to agree. We aren't anywhere near no-say trades yet, thank ****.