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2023 AFL Trade Period and the AFL Draft

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Current draft picks: done
2024 draft picks: 1st, 2nd, 4th (Fre), 4th (GC), 4th (WBU)

List changes:
Out: 7 - Ed Curnow (Ret), Plowman (Ret), O'Brien (Del), Philp (Del), Honey (Del), Fisher (Trade), Dow (Trade)
In: 6 - Rob Monahan (IIR-CatB), Elijah Hollands (Trade), Orazio Fantasia (DFA), Ashton Moir (pick 29), Billy Wilson (pick 34), Matthew Carroll (Rookie pick 15)
Uncontracted: 0.
Retained SSP Players: 2 - Cincotta, O'Keeffe
Upgraded Rookie: 1 - Cottrell

List status:
Senior - 36 (36-38)
Rookie - 6 (0-6)
Cat-B Rookie - 2 (0-2)
Total - 44 (44)

Free spots - 0

Note - Matt Duffy (Ireland) not included - assumption is he was not listed after injuring knee.

List Lodgment Dates: OPEN
Tue 31-Oct: List Lodgment 1 COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: Father/Son, NGA, Northern Academy bidding nominations close COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: International Scholarship Listed players inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Thu 9-Nov: List Lodgment 2 COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Father/Son Primary List lodgment close COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Players not registered for 3 years inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: International Players inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Wed 22-Nov: List Lodgment 3 (post National draft) COMPLETE
Thu 23-Nov: FINAL List Lodgment (post PSD & Rookie drafts) PENDING

The Draft:
Mon 20-Nov
Time 7pm: National Draft Round One COMPLETE
Tue 21-Nov
5.45pm - 6.30pm: Selection Trade period COMPLETE
7pm: National Draft Round Two to completion COMPLETE
Following completion of draft: Rookie Promotion to Primary List COMPLETE
Following completion of draft: Delisted Free Agency Period (3) COMPLETE
Wed 22-Nov
Northern Academy and NGA Academy eligible Pre-Selected Rookie and Father-Son Pre-Selected Rookie player nominations
3pm: AFL Pre-season Draft COMPLETE
3.20pm: AFL Rookie Draft COMPLETE

Supplementary Selection Period (SSP): PENDING
Mon 27-Nov 9am: SSP starts (players must have been on AFL list previously OR nominated for 2023 draft)
Mon 19-Feb 5pm: SSP ends


Draft Nominations: CLOSED
Tue 10-Oct 9am: AFL Draft Nominations open COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: Out-of-contract listed AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft) COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov 3pm: AFL Draft Nominations close COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Delisted AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft) COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Non-retained rookie list player draft nomination close COMPLETE

Player and Selection Trades: CLOSED
Mon 9-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Commences – Players & Selections COMPLETE
Wed 18-Oct 7.30pm: AFL Trade Period Closes – Players & Selections COMPLETE
Mon 23-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Opens – Selections Only COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: AFL Trade Period Closes –Selections Only COMPLETE

Delisted Free Agency Periods: CLOSED
Wed 01-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences COMPLETE
Wed 08-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes COMPLETE
(see also period 3 under "The Draft" section below)

Restricted/Unrestricted Free Agency Trades: CLOSED
Fri 6-Oct 9am: AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period Commences COMPLETE
Fri 13-Oct 5pm: Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period COMPLETE
Mon 16-Oct 5pm: AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends COMPLETE

Draft Combines: CLOSED
Fri 6-Oct to Sun 8-Oct: National Draft Combine COMPLETE
Sun 8-Oct: Victorian State Combine COMPLETE
Sat 14-Oct: SA/NT State Combine COMPLETE
Sun 15-Oct: WA State Combine COMPLETE

6-Oct
1. James Jordon to Sydney as UFA. Melbourne receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (40)
2. Matt Flynn to WCE as UFA. GWS receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (41)
8-Oct
3. Joel Hamling to Sydney as UFA. Fremantle do not receive any compensation.
9-Oct
4. Tom Doedee to Brisbane as RFA. Adelaide receive end of 1st round compensation (pick 20)
5. Pick Swap: GCS trade picks 5, 48, 53 and future 3rd (GC) to WBU in return for picks 11, 18 and future 1st rd (WBU)
6. Pick Swap: Freo trade pick 25 and future 2nd rd to Port for future 1st (Port)
7. Todd Goldstein to Essendon as UFA. No compensation for North Melbourne.
10-Oct
8. Ben McKay to Essendon as RFA. North Melbourne receive 1st round pick as compensation (3)
9. James Harmes to Western Bulldogs. Melbourne receive a future 3rd rd pick (WBU)
11-Oct
10. Dylan Stephens to North Melbourne with pick 26. Sydney receive a future end of first round (pick 19) and this year's pick 45.
11. Pick Swap: Melbourne receives pick 11. Gold Coast get 14, 28, 36 in return.
12. Chris Burgess and pick 14 to Adelaide. Gold Coast get picks 24 and 27.
13. Pick Swap: North Melbourne receive pick 18. Gold Coast gets future end of first round (pick 20) comp pick.
14. Brodie Grundy to Sydney. Melbourne receive pick 47 and future second round pick (Syd)
15. Taylor Adams to Sydney. Collingwood receive pick 34.
16. Zac Fisher to North Melbourne with pick 17. CARLTON receive picks 22 and 26.
13-Oct
17. Jade Gresham to Essendon as RFA. St Kilda receive end of 1st round compensation (pick 21)
18. Toby Pink to North Melbourne - delisted free agent.
19. Tom Fullarton to Melbourne. Brisbane receive pick 47 in return.
14-Oct
20. Tyler Brockman to West Coast Eagles. Hawthorn receive picks 44 and 63 in return.
16-Oct
21. Bigoa Nyuon to North Melbourne. Richmond receive pick 65.
22. Lachie Schultz to Collingwood. Fremantle receive pick 34 and a future first round pick (Col) in return.
23. Liam Henry and future round four (Fre) pick to St Kilda. Fremantle receive a future 2nd (StK) and future 4th (StK).
17-Oct
24. Shane McAdam to Melbourne. Adelaide receive a future second round pick (Mel) in return.
25. Multi-trade
.... CARLTON: Give - Paddy Dow, future 3rd (Car), future 4th (Car). Receive - future 3rd (Ess), future 4th (Fre), future 4th (WBU)
.... Essendon: Give - 52, future 3rd (Ess). Receive - pick 35, future 4th (Car)
.... St Kilda: Give - Nick Coffield, picks 35, 56, future 4th (Fre). Receive - Paddy Dow, pick 40, future 3rd (Car)
.... Western Bulldogs: Give - pick 40, future 4th (WBU). Receive - Nick Coffield, picks 52, 56
18-Oct
26. Ivan Soldo to Port Adelaide with pick 50. Richmond receive picks 41, 49 a future 2nd round (Fre) and future 4th round (PA).
27. Jack Ginnivan pick 39, future 2nd (Col) and future 4th (Col) to Hawthorn. Collingwood receive pick 33, future 2nd (Haw), future 3rd (Haw)
28. Jordan Sweet to Port Adelaide. Western Bulldogs receive pick 50 in return.
29. Esava Ratugolea to Port Adelaide. Geelong receive picks 25, 76 and 94.
30. Elijah Hollands to CARLTON with pick 28 and future 4th (GC). Gold Coast receive pick 26 and future 3rd (Ess).
31. Jacob Koschitzke to Richmond. Hawthorn receive pick 49.
32. Jack Billings to Melbourne. St Kilda receive a future 3rd round pick (Mel).
33. Multi-trade
.... Brisbane: Give - Jack Gunston, picks 47, 61, future 2nd round (Bri). Receive - Ryan, 39, 54, future 4th (Haw).
.... Hawthorn: Give - Brandon Ryan, picks 39, 54, future 4th round (Haw). Receive - Gunston, 47, 61, future 2nd (Bri).
34. Mabior Chol to Hawthorn with pick 62. Gold Coast receive a future 2nd round pick (Bri).
35. Massimo D'Ambrosio to Hawthorn. Essendon receive pick 61, future 4th round (Col)
36. Multi-trade
.... Essendon: Give - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, pick 73, future 4th round (Ess), future 4th round (Car). Receive - Xavier Duursma
.... Port Adelaide: Give - Xavier Duursma. Receive - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, 73, future 4th round (Ess), future 4th round (Car)





Nominated:
Elliott Himmelberg to GWS (Trade) - staying at GWS

Mooted:
Buku Khamis - staying at Dogs
Dylan Shiel
Clayton Oliver - Ade/Gee - staying at Melbourne
Ollie Wines
Dan McKenzie - Suns?
Scott Lycett
Tom Clurey
James Borlase
Brynn Teakle
Josh Sinn
Orazio Fantasia - GWS?
Sam Hayes
Harrison Petty


Potential DFA and Retiree moves:
TBA

Missed Out on trades:
TBA




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ajb72 said:
Geez.

Half this thread sounds like toddlers crying over not getting new shiny toys, when we have an equivalent, or better version of the toy already.

Take * for example. If they get all of McKay, Goldstein, Grisham and Duursma. Does it even improve them? Goldstein is a backup ruck, are you going to play both of Draper and goldy? Unlikely. Duursma has been fringe at PA for the last two seasons. Hasn’t been the same player since the injuries started and he and Grisham are what they have a lot of already. The only plus is McKay and he has spent a lot of time not playing with injuries so there is a fairly big risk there.
It looks to me they are all in on trying to win the off season cup again.


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Personally I’m wrapped Essendon are getting these B-C grade players and paying them handsomely. They will clog up their salary cap for the foreseeable future and keep them from prying out any of our key players when they come out of contract. Also it will ensure that Essendon never properly bottom out so they’ll be stuck in no man’s land with a list not capable of winning a flag for even longer. Same goes for St Kilda. Our list in contrast to both (and many) is in the sweet spot in terms of talent and age. I don’t think we have to do anything too drastic creative from here to win a flag and even if we do need a few pieces they are more around the edges rather than overpaying for Ben McKay or Jade Gresham or even Lachie Schultz. I can sense really good things are around the corner for us.
 
Aphrodite said:
Hawks received picked 19 for Buddy.

How the * is Ben worth pick 3 compo pick!


What a farce!
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It's a circus... nothing we don't already know.

We live in a world where policy and procedure overcome common sense.

It's quite obvious that there should be other factors to consider when making these decisions such as:

Number of games played
Career coaches votes
B&F finishes
Any other indicators that reflect the quality/contribution of the player and the on field impact they've had

I wouldn't be surprised if this is all part of the plan to merge them with Tassie...
 

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Compo picks are stupid full stop.

But if they are going to exist, it should be based on the current club's contract offer - not what the receiving club offers.

You should be compensated for what you lose, not what for the other club is gaining. If you don't rate the player, why are you getting paid for losing them?

In theory you could be about to delist a player and get compensation for losing them... That's the insanity.
 
Beyond Blue said:
Personally I’m wrapped Essendon are getting these B-C grade players and paying them handsomely. They will clog up their salary cap for the foreseeable future and keep them from prying out any of our key players when they come out of contract. Also it will ensure that Essendon never properly bottom out so they’ll be stuck in no man’s land with a list not capable of winning a flag for even longer. Same goes for St Kilda. Our list in contrast to both (and many) is in the sweet spot in terms of talent and age. I don’t think we have to do anything too drastic creative from here to win a flag and even if we do need a few pieces they are more around the edges rather than overpaying for Ben McKay or Jade Gresham or even Lachie Schultz. I can sense really good things are around the corner for us.
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Overpaying for high-profile, never-quite-filled-potential type players with injury histories?

Because you have cap space to spend somewhere and can't attract genuine superstars?

Sounds like Carlton of 3-4 years ago.

And that's not a good place to be... Unless it's *, and then it's a GREAT place to be!!!
 
Soapy V said:
With everything going on I would hope that we are at least having conversations with names like Duursma, Henry, Brockman to see exactly where they are at. You never know
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isn't the Brockman request about family & support, has super young twins or something like that.

The general sentiment I still agree with, even if not for any reality of it happening but to at least put some more pressure on the nominated clubs, try and increase the trade/contract value, etc.
 
BigFrizz36 said:
The FOMO sentiments on here reminds me of how a couple of years ago plenty on here were convinced that Brander was potentially the solution to all of our problems .
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I don't remember that but I do remember all the out of proportion insistence that we simply must draft Zac Fisher. I know he did more for us than Brander did where he was but all the same, different types seem to get treated differently when they don't tun out to be the players we hoped/thought they would be.
 
Beyond Blue said:
Personally I’m wrapped Essendon are getting these B-C grade players and paying them handsomely. They will clog up their salary cap for the foreseeable future and keep them from prying out any of our key players when they come out of contract. Also it will ensure that Essendon never properly bottom out so they’ll be stuck in no man’s land with a list not capable of winning a flag for even longer. Same goes for St Kilda. Our list in contrast to both (and many) is in the sweet spot in terms of talent and age. I don’t think we have to do anything too drastic creative from here to win a flag and even if we do need a few pieces they are more around the edges rather than overpaying for Ben McKay or Jade Gresham or even Lachie Schultz. I can sense really good things are around the corner for us.
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Getting a Ben McKay on a decent sized contract is a great get if he stays healthy. He'd only clog their list if he can't stay on the park.

Quality KPPs get paid well and usually have a high cost. The fact that they got him without using a draft pick is a big win.

Compare this to our acquisition of Williams for example.
 
The Return of the Paf said:
I don't remember that but I do remember all the out of proportion insistence that we simply must draft Zac Fisher. I know he did more for us than Brander did where he was but all the same, different types seem to get treated differently when they don't tun out to be the players we hoped/thought they would be.
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Brander was a list clogger at the eagles who went on to be a list clogger at the giants before being delisted.

In between many thought that he should be our list clogger

Austin works quietly and tries to subtly improve areas that we have weaknesses in (e.g. Acres, Hollands, Cerra, Saad) . Helped by some of SOS 's better decisions our list management team have seen us go from 13th to 9th to 3rd in the last three years.

I'm happy to continue to back them in.
 

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Soapy V said:
Austin has also said they are open to anything that might happen. You never know
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Exactly and Austin should be opportunistic it would be negligent otherwise, its early yet, just getting a little fidgety.
I'd have a go at snaring Ginnivan at 185/80kg for low price, talented and fairly durable we must take advantage of having quite exceptional tall forwards in Charlie and Harry, this is rare and a clear advantage, some magic at their feet would make a difference. Motlop & Durdin are talented but still young and inexperienced, Owies is Ok not convinced long term.
 
BigFrizz36 said:
Brander was a list clogger at the eagles who went on to be a list clogger at the giants before being delisted.

In between many thought that he should be our list clogger

Austin works quietly and tries to subtly improve areas that we have weaknesses in (e.g. Acres, Hollands, Cerra, Saad) . Helped by some of SOS 's better decisions our list management team have seen us go from 13th to 9th to 3rd in the last three years.

I'm happy to continue to back them in.
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I remember the few but not the many.
 
Soapy V said:
North now have 2, 3, 14 and 20. Surely, the Blues are trying to get some sort of upgrade with Fisher deal?

Pick 16 for 14 and 42?
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Have you got this the other way round? Doesn't it make more sense to be Pick 14 for 16 + 42? I'm a few pages behind so sorry if someone else has pointed it out already.
 
Ash24 said:
Have you got this the other way round? Doesn't it make more sense to be Pick 14 for 16 + 42? I'm a few pages behind so sorry if someone else has pointed it out already.
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Our first pick as it currently stands is Pick 17 and then our next is Pick 69. Norf have Pick 15 and Pick 44.
 
ajb72 said:
Geez.

Half this thread sounds like toddlers crying over not getting new shiny toys, when we have an equivalent, or better version of the toy already.

Take * for example. If they get all of McKay, Goldstein, Grisham and Duursma. Does it even improve them? Goldstein is a backup ruck, are you going to play both of Draper and goldy? Unlikely. Duursma has been fringe at PA for the last two seasons. Hasn’t been the same player since the injuries started and he and Grisham are what they have a lot of already. The only plus is McKay and he has spent a lot of time not playing with injuries so there is a fairly big risk there.
It looks to me they are all in on trying to win the off season cup again.


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I honestly couldn't care less that Ben McKay is heading off to *, it's the compo pick that Norf will receive.

These compo picks are totally flawed as is the system.

Needs a total overhaul!
 

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