Free kick count in Grand Finals - Victorian vs Non-Victorian teams?

[Jables]

How did you earn as many free kicks as us in 2014 when you were barely playing football?

Grand Finals are well umpired 99% of the time, let it go. 2016 GF was not well umpired, we all know that.

 

[_M_16_]

Is anyone surprised swans fans are the biggest ratio in here??

Nope, USED to love the Swans and their fans. Thought they were a great club with humble and good to talk to fans. But since the Grand Final they have become the most bitter, bitchy and deluded fans on here. Swipe at any Bulldogs fan they can. Seem to think they were the best team last year and the Grand Final should have been theirs rightfully. Despite the Bulldogs playing better for most of the game, the Bulldogs own wastefulness inside 50 kept the score close

Getting tired of defending our worth last season. We would 100% be inside the top four this year and many years with last years win loss ratio, beat EVERY TEAM but Geelong, and won seven games interstate was it? You will rarely find a Premier with that kind of stat line. We were very good, without being great

Unfortunately every single premier people try and find a way to shit on their success. People stupidly believe their is legit bias and attempts to help certain teams and other stupid conspiracy theory BS

Swans and Eagle fans are the biggest hypocrites, regularly on top of the free kicks for ladder year in and year out. So let them bitch and make excuses all the want. Without COLA, their academies which they stack players not even from the zones originally (at one getting top ranked players despite making finals before rules were changed), and bending as much loopholes as they can, Swans wouldn't be anywhere near a good team. Want to bitch about assistance, they need to look no further than themselves

Get over it, you legit lost the Grand Final to a better team on the day. No need to flood every forum whining about the same stuff over a year on

 

[Scotland]

We lost the free kick count in 1992, 1994 and 2006 and won it in 1991 and 2005. 2015 ****ed that trend though.

 

[ZingerB]

Not sure of the 1st 2 but the Port Hawks game you got to get over mate. In the last 3 minutes Port receive 2 very soft frees. The first is to number 47 (sorry I don't know who that is) Has his back to the play stopping Spangher going to the ball but gets the free! Then the Polec free against Roughead. Wow! Close to the perfect tackle but yep a bit of in the back. Minute late Ebert marks, plays on kick smothered by Hodge. As they turn Ebert clearly holds Hodge - play on! Jonas dives in Stratton tackles with Hodge assistance. Hodge gets the free when it should have been Stratton. Very harsh but certainly equivalent on technicality to the two previously mentioned Port frees. Last 10 seconds ball kicked to Ports 50, Monfries holding Lake's arm - play on. Lake falls on it and holds it in. That's it! Time to cut the mythology, face the facts and realise it was 3-9 in the first quarter and 13-16 overall as to why they lost and nothing to do with umpiring.

You got gifted 2 goals in the 1st half that weren't paid the other way, and you were repeatedly allowed to dive on the ball. The holding the ball was just embarrassingly umpired that game with about 75% of the decisions being incorrect. Like, I know everyone talks about the Western Bulldogs throwing in 2016, but the 2014 PF was at a whole new level. Okay we get a goal from a throw, as did you, but every time we got some momentum, someone like Spangher dived on the ball in a way that was holding the ball 20 years ago. Then Boak gets a ridiculously harsh HTB the other way just to make sure we know our place.

 

[Damon_3388]

Has anyone ever thought to consider whether the free kicks were valid, or would that actually require some thought and proper analysis, that may possibly kill any notion of bias?

 

[HairyO]

2014
Sydney - 18
Hawthorn - 18

2015
Hawthorn - 14
West Coast - 13

We flogged both foreigners in those games. How the hell did we not have a massive free kick advantage???

Anti-Hawthorn bias by AFL proven.

Cheers mate !

 

[Scotland]

We flogged both foreigners in those games. How the hell did we not have a massive free kick advantage???

Anti-Hawthorn bias by AFL proven.

Cheers mate !

Seen the free kick count from 2007?

 

[HairyO]

Seen the free kick count from 2007?

Port moral victors?

 

[craig crowing]

Has anyone ever thought to consider whether the free kicks were valid, or would that actually require some thought and proper analysis, that may possibly kill any notion of bias?

So lets use Geelong Vs Crows figures.
We won by 61 points and over by half time , so how with logic can you understand
Cats -- 23 with Crows --- 17
Then put in Selwood and Danger got 11 free kicks between them.
But even if wanted to argue against those figures.
How could you look at game or replay and honestly say that Selwood deserved most of his frees.

 

[Scotland]

Port moral victors?

Clearly rigged for the fairytale drought to end.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Quality vs Quantity- frees that directly lead to goals would be a lot more interesting.

 

[theyellowsash]

Quality vs Quantity- frees that directly lead to goals would be a lot more interesting.

on the weekend in our game where were only 2 goals from free kicks from memory (1 each). i dont count the first one to himmelberg as he was about to mark it anyway

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Don't waste your time looking at free's paid, its the unpaid free's which can ultimately influence a game and the juicy part is, it doesn't appear on any list of stats.
Play on...

 

[Banyo Bloods]

stupid conspiracy theory BS

Swans and Eagle fans are the biggest hypocrites, regularly on top of the free kicks for ladder year in and year out.

Back that up champ about the Swans

 

[RUNVS]

2001
Brisbane - 22
Essendon - 19

2002
Collingwood - 24
Brisbane - 16

2003
Brisbane - 13
Collingwood - 18

2007
Geelong - 28
Port Adelaide - 25

2012
Sydney - 10
Hawthorn - 21

2013
Hawthorn - 14
Fremantle - 13

2014
Sydney - 18
Hawthorn - 18

2015
Hawthorn - 14
West Coast - 13

2016
Sydney - 8
Western Bulldogs - 20

2017
Richmond - 24
Adelaide - 19

So it is

Victoria - 8
Draw - 1
Non-Victorian - 1

 

[Chism]

The actual count means squat and the ones the Umpires blatantly ignore mean more as well as the moment of the game they occur in.

Tigers got the rub of the Green today for sure in that 2nd Qtr but whether or not it directly affected the outcome is debatable but it sure helped them along the way.

Stevic and Meredith being given this game had me shaking my head during the week when they announced it but it is what it is and congrats Tigers.

 

[MJ_Dogs]

I just looked up the stats (of free kicks) of every Grand Final between a Victorian and non-Victorian team since 2000 and this is what I got

2001
Brisbane - 22
Essendon - 19

2002
Collingwood - 24
Brisbane - 16

2003
Brisbane - 13
Collingwood - 18

2007
Geelong - 28
Port Adelaide - 25

2012
Sydney - 10
Hawthorn - 21

2013
Hawthorn - 14
Fremantle - 13

2014
Sydney - 18
Hawthorn - 18

2015
Hawthorn - 14
West Coast - 13

2016
Sydney - 8
Western Bulldogs - 20

So that is

Non-Victorian - 138 free kicks
Victorian - 162 free kicks

Or

Non-Victorian - 46% of free kicks
Victorian - 54% of free kicks

It also means of the 9 Grand Finals with Victorian and Non-Victorian teams playing since 2000, the Victorian team have won 7 of them (free kick wise), the non-Victorian team has won it once and there was one draw.

What are the reasons for this, and could this be a problem for Adelaide next week?

Sooking still ey? Not good enough

 

[Power Raid]

umpiring was certainly interesting today but the result was decided by the pressure of the tigers

 

[RUNVS]

umpiring was certainly interesting today but the result was decided by the pressure of the tigers

Definitely not saying that it cost Adelaide the game as Adelaide were awful after quarter time, but the lopsided nature of the Victorian teams winning the free kick count almost every single time is becoming a joke. It is one of the many advantages of getting to play the Grand Final in your home state (often home ground) no matter what.

In the most important game of the year, too often a match has started in an unfair position because the team that actually should have the home ground advantage is actually playing at their oppositions home ground.

 

[DroopStDanny]

2001
Brisbane - 22
Essendon - 19

2002
Collingwood - 24
Brisbane - 16

2003
Brisbane - 13
Collingwood - 18

2007
Geelong - 28
Port Adelaide - 25

2012
Sydney - 10
Hawthorn - 21

2013
Hawthorn - 14
Fremantle - 13

2014
Sydney - 18
Hawthorn - 18

2015
Hawthorn - 14
West Coast - 13

2016
Sydney - 8
Western Bulldogs - 20

2017
Richmond - 24
Adelaide - 19

So it is

Victoria - 8
Draw - 1
Non-Victorian - 1

Give it up ya sook.

 

[RUNVS]

Give it up ya sook.

Charming.

So you don't think the fact that the Grand Final is played in Melbourne, potentially being a big disadvantage to teams who deserve to be playing at their home ground matters?

A lot of people like to talk about equalisation, but oddly enough, this, the biggest issue with equalisation of them all, is actually ignored.

 

[Sedat!]

Umpire whingeing is the domain of deadshits and losers

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

Early in the game crows were on top.
The umps got Richmond back in it and then on top

But as the game went on Adelaide got smashed

 

[SHill Shall]

Don't waste your time looking at free's paid, its the unpaid free's which can ultimately influence a game and the juicy part is, it doesn't appear on any list of stats.
Play on...

Eddie Betts second quarter!

 

[SHill Shall]

Charming.

So you don't think the fact that the Grand Final is played in Melbourne, potentially being a big disadvantage to teams who deserve to be playing at their home ground matters?

A lot of people like to talk about equalisation, but oddly enough, this, the biggest issue with equalisation of them all, is actually ignored.

It's got to the stage now where we should acknowledge that its the AFL - GF played in the city that has the team that earned it. Will take a lot of unscrambling for the VFL, but it will happen in time.