Moved Thread Garry Ablett Matthew Kennedy & God

[juss]

Funny how people focus on defending the homosexuals but no one cares for those poor fornicators and drunks.

I'm pretty sure Ablett and Kennedy dont hate the prototype of the youth of western society for the last 100 years. Maybe it's possible a like of a status isn't tied to vindictive hatred of everything?

 

[gavaniacono]

fornicators

Is it just me, or is that not a lovely word when enunciated slowly and crisply?

 

[Stratton_Gun]

If you don't believe in god it wouldn't be offensive. In the last few years, being gay seems to be the topic of choice for SJW's. There's a bunch of other things on that list. I drink, don't necessarily believe in a god, have lied before and all I think is that Izzy is a little odd to be that religious. Cant say I'm offended at all. Rugby aus have sold him out for sponsoring $$$ so they can try and seem moral.
Genuinely is anyone in this thread offended by it or once again or we all being offended on behalf of others?

 

[theyellowsash]

Are we really up in arms about something a player clicked like on?

Outrage culture at it again

When it has to do with demonizing a significant part of the population then yes it's worth being outraged.

If it had been about Muslim sharia law instead of Christian sharia law in sure you'd be joining the lynchmob

 

[Farrand]

Think freedom of speech is important whether people agree with the opinion or not, and in this day and age people are getting vilified for not having the "right" belief. This is in no way condoning Folau, GAJ or Kennedy but they are entitled to their beliefs as wrong and misguided as they may be. There is a mentality developing these days in that it is difficult to voice an opinion in fear that the reaction will be negative and it will ultimately destroy a persons social standing and reputation. This atmosphere of fear is why we sometimes the wrong opinion is becoming socially acceptable and the populist view. For example, it is acceptable to punch a nazi. Great in theory but it is never acceptable to punch anyone. Violence only leads to more violence.

That being said, the social media construct as a normal way of life for people these days means that their needs to be accountability, responsibility and education on the proper use of sharing opinions in such a wide public spectrum. As role models to children and adults their is a responsibility to be inclusive and objective to every aspect of peoples lives and these three plus any other person (in the public eye or not) who liked Izzy's post must be accountable to their actions. Education is important going forwards and think tanks need to be developed to create educational programmes that teach people the idea of inclusiveness and acceptance and how to portray themselves thusly on social media.

I don't think these three are inherently bad people and subsequently guidance and forgiveness is important to ensure they can be educated to understand their role in life and that people are very different, need nurturing and role models to look up to when they are going through difficult times that required acceptance.

 

[00Stinger]

When it has to do with demonizing a significant part of the population then yes it's worth being outraged.

If it had been about Muslim sharia law instead of Christian sharia law in sure you'd be joining the lynchmob

Not really.

Had it said I hope they die or something similar then yes. But saying they will be going to some pretend place after they die who really gives a ****?

It also quoted a few other types of people which I would fall into and I still dont give a ****

 

[sr36]

Genuinely is anyone in this thread offended by it or once again or we all being offended on behalf of others?

A question I often ask myself is: Is the rate of being offended really this high, or do we just all enjoy standing on a soap box shouting out our views and shouting down any views that disagree with us?

 

[theyellowsash]

Not really.

Had it said I hope they die or something similar then yes. But saying they will be going to some pretend place after they die who really gives a ****?

It also quoted a few other types of people which I would fall into and I still dont give a ****

Wishing for eternal torture is pretty bad. He and anyone who believes this is scum and it's barely less than Nazi propaganda

 

[Seeds]

If you're comparing homosexuality to paedophilia, you are seriously deranged

So what if he compares it on one aspect? Dont end discussion because you are irrationally triggered due to an association. Everything is comparable.

 

[Seeds]

Wishing for eternal torture is pretty bad. He and anyone who believes this is scum and it's barely less than Nazi propaganda

He didnt wish it. He said thats what god decrees. You get the difference right?

 

[juss]

Wishing for eternal torture is pretty bad. He and anyone who believes this is scum and it's barely less than Nazi propaganda

He didnt wish it on them. He just stated that's what he thinks will happen based on his religious beliefs, then promoted the religious "save yourself there is still time repent" message. He didnt say I hope you all burn in hell.

 

[theyellowsash]

He didnt wish it. He said thats what god decrees. You get the difference right?

He wouldn't be posting (or liking) if it he didn't believe it. By putting it out there in public he is saying this is what i believe. Ie i believe that gay people deserve eternal torture.

 

[Seeds]

He wouldn't be posting (or liking) if it he didn't believe it. By putting it out there in public he is saying this is what i believe. Ie i believe that gay people deserve eternal torture.

He said god wants gay people to have eternal torture. Not him. Again do you get that in his mind he and god are not the same being and in his mind, as in all christians, there is only one god so he doesnt get to choose which god to follow?

On a seperate note. Do you only think its offensive that his god wants gay people to have eternal torture? Is it fine for god to give the 7 other groups eternal torture?

 

[The Joker]

Damian Barrett thinks we are owed an explanation, are you ****ing serious Barrett.

Using your media privileges to "bully" people into giving a story is just as bad a liking some flogs post.

**** Folau, **** GAJ and **** you too, Barrett!

P.S. I'm so glad you put your name in the heading, means I can pass right by your shit!

 

[theyellowsash]

He said god wants gay people to have eternal torture. Not him. Again do you get that in his mind he and god are not the same being and in his mind, as in all christians, there is only one god so he doesnt get to choose which god to follow?

On a seperate note. Do you only think its offensive that his god wants gay people to have eternal torture? Is it fine for god to give the 7 other groups eternal torture?

No, but drunks havent been oppressed like gay people have

 

[demondavey]

What is a spiritual conviction ?

George Pell

 

[Seeds]

No, but drunks havent been oppressed like gay people have

First you didnt respond to the first question. Do you understand god and folou are different beings in his mind? Gods will is not his wish. He is jist warning people of what he thinks god will do to them.


Athiests have. Adulterers have. Those having sex outside of marriage have. All these groups have been greatly oppressed by religions. Particularly in the past but still in many parts of the world today.

In any case why does oppression by others make Folous oppression worse? He is an individual. His only responsibility should be to his own actions and not those of others.

 

[demondavey]

Something for you to ponder. If the roles were reversed and an openly gay player posted something similar about devout Christians, I bet my bottom dollar said player would not have his contract torn up. In fact he’d probably be hailed a hero for, as a gay man, having the “courage” to stand up for what he believes. This is just one of the many accepted double standards in our new age bulldust PC world.

Person from a majority speaks out against a minority - sacked.
Person from a minority speaks out against a majority - hero.

What you don’t understand is that it comes down to bullying. When a majority person makes a hateful remark or opinion, they are oppressing a minority further and bullying them. When a minority member speaks up they are being heroic, because they’ve got the balls to stand up for themselves.

It’s called majority and minority for a reason. The majority isn’t oppressed, the majority has weight in numbers, a minority doesn’t.

As far as your PC bullshit call, well some things are deemed to be in appropriate and out of line because they are just offensive. I love how the far right feel so oppressed because they are told to keep quiet when being hateful and oppressive, yet they use the free speech or political correctness line to plead their case.

It’s not free speech, it’s hateful and aggressive behaviour that isn’t tolerated.

 

[mikey127]

Just wish Christians followed their thought process through and went after pedophiles too, instead of always focusing on homosexuals as being wrong and the work of Satan etc.

I know a church that recently reported some suspicious behaviour a round kids to police. It was handled between the Church and the police and will never be heard about through the media like when it's covered up so don't assume child grooming or abuse reported by churches cause it is

 

[demondavey]

He can be convinced otherwise, but he has no choice of what it would take to convince him.

Of course he has a choice, he chooses to follow ‘Jesus’, therefore he takes on these extreme views.

 

[madrigal]

It’s called majority and minority for a reason. The majority isn’t oppressed, the majority has weight in numbers, a minority doesn’t.

The majority believe in equality for homosexuals not persecution, that makes Folau in his position the minority, so all those who have attacked him by your own standard are the ones bullying, marginalising and being hateful.

 

[demondavey]

No I never said people cannot change that is just you being dense. When someone becomes convinced that their beliefs do not align with reality they change.

If I walk into a room and see a dog, I have no choice to believe that there is no dog in the room, the belief is automatic.

Well that’s a simplistic analogy, and you call me dense.

 

[demondavey]

The majority believe in equality for homosexuals not persecution, that makes Folau in his position the minority, so all those who have attacked him by your own standard are the ones bullying, marginalising and being hateful.

Nice try.

Basically Folau is spreading and promoting a hateful message re how gay people should be treated. That’s offensive and hurtful to a gay person. My majority v minority argument was in response to the other poster.

But good attempt at a twist.

 

[madrigal]

Well that’s a simplistic analogy, and you call me dense.

It is a simplistic analogy that is the point of analogies to simplify things. Unfortunately you still don't understand that belief is not a choice so I believe the label is apt.

 

[kozi]

What you don’t understand is that it comes down to bullying. When a majority person makes a hateful remark or opinion, they are oppressing a minority further and bullying them. When a minority member speaks up they are being heroic, because they’ve got the balls to stand up for themselves.

It’s called majority and minority for a reason. The majority isn’t oppressed, the majority has weight in numbers, a minority doesn’t.

As far as your PC bullshit call, well some things are deemed to be in appropriate and out of line because they are just offensive. I love how the far right feel so oppressed because they are told to keep quiet when being hateful and oppressive, yet they use the free speech or political correctness line to plead their case.

It’s not free speech, it’s hateful and aggressive behaviour that isn’t tolerated.

My point was that everyone should be dealt with equally by their employer. You’re saying person A) is in a minority so they have more rights than person B) who’s in a majority.

I’m all for equality and have been all my life. You may think you also are but the views you put forward are against it. My call that this bulldust PC world has lost its way still stands, and this sort of crap is a prime example of it.