Geelong rorting the system

[PhatBoy]

Dank and Robinson were completely above board and transparent during their years at Geelong. The incredible list wide bulk up over the pre-season in 2007 was due to eating veggies and doing weights.

Yeah that’s a good point. We fell a kick and a half short of the threepeat lions in 2004 in the prelim and lost to the premiers because of Nick Davis in 2005 then suddenly got too small to compete in 2006 and got big again in 2007

 

[boncer34]

Yeah that’s a good point. We fell a kick and a half short of the threepeat lions in 2004 in the prelim and lost to the premiers because of Nick Davis in 2005 then suddenly got too small to compete in 2006 and got big again in 2007

Don't be absurd. Geelong were always big enough to compete, it was the completely on the books training program of veggies and weights that saw them get the extra size in 2007.

 

[PhatBoy]

Don't be absurd. Geelong were always big enough to compete, it was the completely on the books training program of veggies and weights that saw them get the extra size in 2007.

You’ll end up in the paddle boat with Blaisee and Aristotle and Smasha soon

 

[cryptor]

Well if he’s actually doing something doesn’t that make it easier to digest?
I personally would have assumed he’d literally turn up and speak for 15 minutes at 1-2 corporate events and that would be it

If he's actually contributing and getting renumerated in line with what any other suitably qualified person would be getting without this existing link and without any other form of kickbacks then sure, fair play. But by his own admission senior coaching is a stressful existence. If people are being honest with themselves then his contributions are probably going to be very limited and more in line with what you've suggested.

And if that's the case then why would Morris bother with putting him on their books? They could already get him to speak at corporate events under the existing sponsorship arrangement. Perhaps they now contribute less sponsorship dollars for the same return, or contribute the same or more and get significantly more value than they did previously. In either case they'll essentially just be paying him to do his primary role of senior coach at Geelong and occasionally pop-in to do some corporate events which he was probably already doing previously.

It is possible the whole arrangement is legitimate, but it's very clear why people think this stinks of cap rorting.

 

[Sttew]

Picking up spelling and grammatical errors isn't going to save Geelong from the reckoning

I'm still waiting for you to explain what's "happening again"??

 

[Sttew]

It is possible the whole arrangement is legitimate, but it's very clear why people think this stinks of cap rorting.

Very clear? How so? I bet you subscribe to the "guilty before being proven innocent" mantra.

Do you honestly think Scott and the Club would allow the media release of his appointment to be so public if it was not above board? Just think about that for five seconds...

AFL allows coaches to be paid outside of soft cap

AFL clubs have got their wish and will be able to pay senior coaches up to 20 per cent of their salary outside the soft cap from next year.

www.espn.com.au

 

[HairyO]

Still not sure what Elixuh is implying. Nowhere is it stated a coach cannot earn income from other sources. Hell, all 18 Clubs are now allowed to pay 20% of the coaches salaries outside the soft cap.

Did we hear Elixuh lauding Scott for taking a massive pay cut during Covid so others within the club could keep their jobs? Of course not.

And what about Ross Lyon appearing on an Uber Food advertisement? Didn't see any post from you on that. Or Scott and other coaches appearing on Fox Footy on a regular basis as panel members?

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What is the point of having pay caps if everyone can just get jobs with the sponsors?

Get rid of caps altogether ?

 

[Sttew]

Reverse rorting?

AFL coach's extraordinary salary sacrifice

Reeling club blown away by selfless gesture

www.nine.com.au

 

[Art Vandelay_]

What is the point of having pay caps if everyone can just get jobs with the sponsors?

Get rid of caps altogether ?

Probably a restriction of trade legal requirement.
Just because it is professional sport doesn't mean you'd be allowed to prevent people earning money from a 2nd job.

Hence why 3rd party player deals are also included, but have to represent fair value for the work they do.

 

[HairyO]

Probably a restriction of trade legal requirement.
Just because it is professional sport doesn't mean you'd be allowed to prevent people earning money from a 2nd job.

Hence why 3rd party player deals are also included, but have to represent fair value for the work they do.

They can have a 2nd job. But if its related to the club then it counts towards the cap.

Is Geelong paying less of Scott's salary now?

Who decides "fair value"? If Jai Newcombe gives a speech at a major sponsor can it be factored at Bill Clinton level fees if the sponsor sees Newcombe at that level of importance? Does Laura overrule and drop it to Al Gore level ?

 

[PhatBoy]

Was there this much of a fuss when John Longmire sold his house at more than a million dollar profit after just 9 days on the market through Realestate.com - one of Sydney’s major sponsors? I bet he paid a huge agency fee for that.

If you look hard enough you will find whatever you want to find.

 

[cryptor]

Very clear? How so? I bet you subscribe to the "guilty before being proven innocent" mantra.

Do you honestly think Scott and the Club would allow the media release of his appointment to be so public if it was not above board? Just think about that for five seconds...

AFL allows coaches to be paid outside of soft cap

AFL clubs have got their wish and will be able to pay senior coaches up to 20 per cent of their salary outside the soft cap from next year.

www.espn.com.au

Not sure why you've included that link that says clubs are allowed to pay senior coaches up to 20% of their salary outside of the soft cap. That's got absolutely nothing to do with club sponsors paying the senior coach to do a C-suite role that they just created while also acknowledging that their senior coaching role will remain their primary responsibility.

And I said it's very clear why people think this stinks of cap rorting. Not that it's very clear that this is cap rorting.

I also said this could be legitimate. But we won't know until it is investigated.

 

[HairyO]

Was there this much of a fuss when John Longmire sold his house at more than a million dollar profit after just 9 days on the market through Realestate.com - one of Sydney’s major sponsors? I bet he paid a huge agency fee for that.

If you look hard enough you will find whatever you want to find.

This is the problem. The AFL doeant look hard. They dont want to know.

Yet another issue swept under the bulging rug.

 

[Sttew]

Not sure why you've included that link that says clubs are allowed to pay senior coaches up to 20% of their salary outside of the soft cap. That's got absolutely nothing to do with club sponsors paying the senior coach to do a C-suite role that they just created while also acknowledging that their senior coaching role will remain their primary responsibility.

And I said it's very clear why people think this stinks of cap rorting. Not that it's very clear that this is cap rorting.

I also said this could be legitimate. But we won't know until it is investigated.

You haven't responded to my actual post. How is it rorting? Rorting implies fraudulent behaviour.

As I posted earlier your view clearly is that Scott and GFC are rorting the system until it is proven otherwise.

 

[cryptor]

You haven't responded to my actual post. How is it rorting? Rorting implies fraudulent behaviour.

As I posted earlier your view clearly is that Scott and GFC are rorting the system until it is proven otherwise.

I already explained why the arrangement could be viewed as cap rorting. It's on this page. You laugh reacted and quoted the last line of the post. Presumably the only line you actually read.

 

[Toffee Lion]

I come to see Elixuh rile up Cats supporters, I leave pleased.

 

[Giant Pete]

You don’t realise they’re essentially exactly the same thing? A company paying someone - or persons plural - to be an ambassador or billboard for their company via a sponsorship or in one case, a token role?

Be very interesting to know the amounts that are getting paid.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Still laughing at the Morris Finance one. I saw it this morning on social media and just kept scrolling, completely thinking it was just another joke account.

 

[Cam Payne]

Get rid of the soft cap and let Geelong employ all of its players as player / coaches. You know it's good for the game.

 

[HairyO]

Get rid of the soft cap and let Geelong employ all of its players as player / coaches. You know it's good for the game.

Pretty sure West Coast have by far the most money so could give 20 players $1m a year, pay each assistant coach $1m a year with the main coach on Clarko money, and they'd never lose.

This is why we have caps. So that it creates as level a playing field as possible.

If the AFL says nothing, you can be sure all the rich clubs are going to do it just as brazenly.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Quote funny Toffee Lion how the last 12-24 months watching you melt about BL falling short, a poor start to the season and especially Everton's all round ineptitude made me somewhat sympathetic. Wanting to pack it in is a position no fan enjoys.

Yet now you've seen some success you've gone down the suck-hole path. Elixuh is top 3 worst contributors site wide.

As for this thread. 10 pages of jealous losers.
We're clean. Deal with it.

 

[Sttew]

I already explained why the arrangement could be viewed as cap rorting. It's on this page. You laugh reacted and quoted the last line of the post. Presumably the only line you actually read.

Still waiting for you tell us what's "happening again"? What is happening again? Why have you avoided answering that question?

 

[Cam Payne]

Pretty sure West Coast have by far the most money so could give 20 players $1m a year, pay each assistant coach $1m a year with the main coach on Clarko money, and they'd never lose.

This is why we have caps. So that it creates as level a playing field as possible.

If the AFL says nothing, you can be sure all the rich clubs are going to do it just as brazenly.

WC have too much integrity to do that. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Toffee Lion]

Quote funny Toffee Lion how the last 12-24 months watching you melt about BL falling short, a poor start to the season and especially Everton's all round ineptitude made me somewhat sympathetic. Wanting to pack it in is a position no fan enjoys.

Yet now you've seen some success you've gone down the suck-hole path. Elixuh is top 3 worst contributors site wide.

As for this thread. 10 pages of jealous losers.
We're clean. Deal with it.

That's an incredible personal post in response to a tongue in-cheek comment that targeted nobody, apologies if I upset you.

I'm not sure if I ever melted about the Lions falling apart though, I've been openly critical of Fagan (Proved me wrong) but that's it. Everton's ineptitude is spot on though, feel free to stay sympatheic in that department, a flag in the AFL doesn't wash away the blue stain.

Elixuh is an excellent contributor on this site though.