Lot of people have little idea on what builds a successful club. You don't strengthen a club by ripping out its heart. Ablett and Milburn will leave, that's all. If the kids are good enough they'll break in. Retire Ling, Corey? Goodness me.
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Ive thought all year that Geelong should go down the youth route
after this year.
They are perfectly placed to cash out on quality kids to boast their
list - which has the foundations of some already quality kids.
Move out Hawkins - as he is unreliable and just not good enough.
Mackie - because his value is up and he is a selfish player who cannot
play the team game.
Bartel - Id be on the phone to Sheedy, Jimmy is great but if you can
move both him and Ablett for picks, Id do so.
Ablett - see above, plus Gary does need a new challenge.
Build a side around Varcoe, Selwood, Stokes, Taylor.
Big mistake keeping Blake - and moving on Mumford, hindsight is a
wonderful thing, I guess they couldnt see it.
after this year.
They are perfectly placed to cash out on quality kids to boast their
list - which has the foundations of some already quality kids.
Move out Hawkins - as he is unreliable and just not good enough.
Mackie - because his value is up and he is a selfish player who cannot
play the team game.
Bartel - Id be on the phone to Sheedy, Jimmy is great but if you can
move both him and Ablett for picks, Id do so.
Ablett - see above, plus Gary does need a new challenge.
Build a side around Varcoe, Selwood, Stokes, Taylor.
Big mistake keeping Blake - and moving on Mumford, hindsight is a
wonderful thing, I guess they couldnt see it.
Yep Ghost of Grinter let's do all that, makes perfect sense, weakening the team is the way forward. It's the Melbourne blueprint.
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Well, without Ablett, your side is done - wont make top 4 next year
and will struggle to make an impact the year after.
Instead of being content to be competitive - post Ablett - why not
plan ahead for your next tilt.
Players with trade value should be at least considered tradable.
Its about looking forward and preparing for more success.
Geelong are in a very good position to trade, their players value atm
would still be up, probably above what they should be worth.
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typically dominant teams fall off a cliff face anyway.
couple this with the loss of your superstar
a very aging, and slowing down senior player list
a game plan that has been superceded.
writing meet wall.
couple this with the loss of your superstar
a very aging, and slowing down senior player list
a game plan that has been superceded.
writing meet wall.
1 prelim loss and the sky is falling in.
4. They still have many players in their side that has good trade value for picks.
But however I think they should do that at the end of next year. They are not as strong as they were the previous years, but I still believe that if a few things go their way they could snatch one next year. If there is even a small chance of getting a premiership next year they should go for it.
It is hard to build a side that is as dominent as Geelong has been and it appears that people think it happens as a natural cycle in the AFL. The truth is it's not. If it was then we won't have teams that has gone 40-50 years without a premiership......or teams that make the finals only twice in 25+ years
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1 prelim loss and the sky is falling in.
which part do you disagree with?
One of the worst things about winning a flag is the realisation that you are probably further from the next flag than 15 other clubs.
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Good post. Geelong have had a good run and now they are going to have to take 3-4 years to rebuild. I wouldn't expect another flag inside 6 years.
Depends. If your team is clearly dominent then they could win another the following year or the year after that. I am pretty sure that when Brisbane originally won in 2001 they thought they couldn't in 2002 or 2003. The same with Geelong. But if a club comes in as an underdog with an aging list then that may be the case.
They had a bad night but more pertinent to the argument Collingwood were fantastic and made Geelong look slow.
Shit happens.
They finished 2nd in the H & A, lost the prelim loss and people are talking about getting rid of or calling these players liabilities.
Ling - Has always been slowish.
Bartel - FFS.
Hawkins - Was having a great year until got injured.
Corey - Injured. Probably should have not played this year.
Ottens - Not his best game but a proven finals performer
Hunt - FFS
Scarlett - FFS
Enright - Wasnt he AA this year
Podsiadly - Struggled
Mooney - Probably yes.
Stokes - FFS
Chapman - Wasnt he AA this year.
SJ - Wasnt he AA this year
I've probably left some out.
BF Kneejerk at its finest.
Geelong have plenty of good young players coming through. Obviously when you have a great side which was challenging for a 3rd flag in 4 years you pick your best side which got you there.
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1 prelim loss and the sky is falling in.
If you need reminding, the Lions won 3 flags and contested 4 GFs in a row. Please advise what happened to the Lions in 2005 and has happened to them ever since (and they still had J Brown and a few others).
Defence rests.
what a terrible performance.
You can't throw the baby out with the tubwater. Bit of an overreaction here.
Collingwood have a great gameplan that will be picked through over the offseason the same way Hawthorns was which will see them become less dominant. The cats are still a great side IMO and have every chance of competing for a flag next year.
The reason Geelong has been up for so long has been because of the quality of it's players not a great gameplan like the Hawks, Saints and Collingwood have managed while Geelong have been good.
This thread will look silly next year when the cats are sitting top 4 primed for another assault on a flag.
Collingwood have a great gameplan that will be picked through over the offseason the same way Hawthorns was which will see them become less dominant. The cats are still a great side IMO and have every chance of competing for a flag next year.
The reason Geelong has been up for so long has been because of the quality of it's players not a great gameplan like the Hawks, Saints and Collingwood have managed while Geelong have been good.
This thread will look silly next year when the cats are sitting top 4 primed for another assault on a flag.
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Agree with 90% of the posts on here. We have won 2 flags in three seasons, if someone told me that in 06' I would have laughed, if someone told me that we would win 1 flag then suck for the following 5 years I would take it. We had a good run, but in this day and age you can only last so long. We are in a great position to start rebuilding around an elite group of core players, we have some good young kids coming through and some ageing stars which can act as mentors for the next year or 2 before moving on. Add the fact that we could very well have a few first round picks up our sleeve thanks to concessions, and things are looking up.
Like someone else said the worst thing we can do is try and hold on to former glory like Essendon early in the decade. We were dominant, but other have caught up.
Like someone else said the worst thing we can do is try and hold on to former glory like Essendon early in the decade. We were dominant, but other have caught up.
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problem is shit doesn't happen.
none of this addresses any of the very valid points made.
the facts are:
- teams do tend to drop off the cliff face. especially dominant teams
- Geelong is an aging and very mature team. slow by their own admission
- their superstar seems bound for sunnier climes
- Thompson himself says their gameplan has been superceded.
- St Kilda were the dominant team of 2009 & Collingwood of 2010.
none of this is shit happens. I do agree, that I don't necessarily think they should sell off the family silver for the sake of it, but dominant teams do not decline gracefully. and this one is as precarious, if not more, than most.
Definately need to move on some players.
Milburn and Ling for sure.
Ottens
I'd try and trade hunt, corey, enright, mooney etc
Geelong are too old and slow it's better to have a big clean out and get some draft picks over slowly bottoming out.
I think at least 4 players should move on and probably 4 next year also.
Milburn and Ling for sure.
Ottens
I'd try and trade hunt, corey, enright, mooney etc
Geelong are too old and slow it's better to have a big clean out and get some draft picks over slowly bottoming out.
I think at least 4 players should move on and probably 4 next year also.
Trade value?
What trade value??? I think some are kidding themselves.
The Cats will want to keep all their good young players, and their old players like Ottens, Mooney, Ling etc no one will want.
Sure if Ablett goes they will get some picks.
But basically what will happen, or needs to happen, is Geelong just needs to say thanks very much to their older players...have them retire and start trying to rebuild their next team.
If they try and "hang-on" they will only create an anchor that players like Bartlel, Selwood etc will have to lug around.
What trade value??? I think some are kidding themselves.
The Cats will want to keep all their good young players, and their old players like Ottens, Mooney, Ling etc no one will want.
Sure if Ablett goes they will get some picks.
But basically what will happen, or needs to happen, is Geelong just needs to say thanks very much to their older players...have them retire and start trying to rebuild their next team.
If they try and "hang-on" they will only create an anchor that players like Bartlel, Selwood etc will have to lug around.
They following guys will be all finished up by 3 years time. Over the next couple of years they should make the following changes. They are lucky that they have drafted well the last few years so have players ready that I expect will make an impact.
Milburn, Darren - Andrew Mackie
Scarlett, Matthew - Jeremy Laidlaw
Mooney, Cameron - Mitch Brown
Ottens, Brad - Dawson Simpson
Wojcinski, David - Taylor Hunt
Ling, Cameron - Simon Hogan
Podsiadly, James - Tom Hawkins
Enright, Corey - Daniel Menzel
Chapman, Paul - Steven Motlop
Rooke, Max - didn't play anyway
Corey, Joel - Mitch Duncan
Hunt, Josh - who cares
And last but not least if he leaves:
Ablett, Gary - hope to find a freak with the picks you get for him.
If Gary leaves then they should really try and speed the changes along. Also they should consider letting Bomber go as his hand picked group and game plan has been superceeded.
Milburn, Darren - Andrew Mackie
Scarlett, Matthew - Jeremy Laidlaw
Mooney, Cameron - Mitch Brown
Ottens, Brad - Dawson Simpson
Wojcinski, David - Taylor Hunt
Ling, Cameron - Simon Hogan
Podsiadly, James - Tom Hawkins
Enright, Corey - Daniel Menzel
Chapman, Paul - Steven Motlop
Rooke, Max - didn't play anyway
Corey, Joel - Mitch Duncan
Hunt, Josh - who cares
And last but not least if he leaves:
Ablett, Gary - hope to find a freak with the picks you get for him.
If Gary leaves then they should really try and speed the changes along. Also they should consider letting Bomber go as his hand picked group and game plan has been superceeded.
Shit does happen sometimes. Great players and great teams rise above it. Obviously a couple will retire and some of the younger ones, Duncan, Hunt etc will become regulars. Others will emerge. Some will be fitter than this year etc etc.
As proven this year they still have the players to challenge. Why would they not try again next year with the basis of the team that has been so successful? . Its all about winning flags. Better to try and fail than to never try at all. (old cliche but one that should be thought about more in footy).
Anyway my main issue is the kneejerk reaction to 1 loss.
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Yep hindsight is a wonderful thing.
But as was watching last night I couldn't help thinking the pies this year have benefitted from just falling short the last couple & became ruthless, lockyer, o'bree, fraser, presti, r shaw a couple of years before that, medhurst, all blokes MM had been very loyal to but as there was no success no debt was owed.
Cats on the other hand had premiership hero's.
Some though should of got the S King treatment.
Keep Mummy - let otto or blake go
Milburn retire
Leave T hawk as a FF don't pick up J Pod but get in a younger KPP
Mooney should prob go now though was right to keep
Corey & Ling what to do
They will remain competative but need a big freshen up.
Pies played it on pies terms all night
But as was watching last night I couldn't help thinking the pies this year have benefitted from just falling short the last couple & became ruthless, lockyer, o'bree, fraser, presti, r shaw a couple of years before that, medhurst, all blokes MM had been very loyal to but as there was no success no debt was owed.
Cats on the other hand had premiership hero's.
Some though should of got the S King treatment.
Keep Mummy - let otto or blake go
Milburn retire
Leave T hawk as a FF don't pick up J Pod but get in a younger KPP
Mooney should prob go now though was right to keep
Corey & Ling what to do
They will remain competative but need a big freshen up.
Pies played it on pies terms all night
We will be fine....will slide a bit, naturally, but given the large crop of kids we have coming through (courtesy of having no money to purchase depth players!!) ill decline won't be in the same order of a West Coast.
If it plays out that Gary goes - that will be a huge loss that we won't be able to cover. However, i have all the confidence in the world that we can deliver a new game style and bring through a new crop of champions. Am very excited already about Mitch Brown, Mitch Duncan, Allen Christensen, Daniel Menzel and Taylor Hunt. Plenty of opportunites down the highway....
If it plays out that Gary goes - that will be a huge loss that we won't be able to cover. However, i have all the confidence in the world that we can deliver a new game style and bring through a new crop of champions. Am very excited already about Mitch Brown, Mitch Duncan, Allen Christensen, Daniel Menzel and Taylor Hunt. Plenty of opportunites down the highway....
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It's the way the were dismantled. They did have a bad night but that was forced on them by Collingwood, it was definitely changing of the guard. I think Collingwood's game style is a young mans' style and Geelong can't cope with it.
As for finishing 2nd in the H&A, whilst being true, their draw helped a fair bit with that.
Played St Kilda once and St Kilda won pretty comfortably. Played Collingwood twice in the H&A for a win (where Collingwood kicked themselves out of it in the 2nd and early in the 3rd quarter) and even though they only lost by 22 pts (2.10) in round 19 they were comprehensively pumped.
Played St Kilda first week of the finals and Collingwood in the 3rd week. Couldn't handle either of them. Were made to look old and slow with few exceptions.
Time to roll out plan B and some younger players, of which they have 3 or 4 that we've seen a bit of already and 2 or 3 others playing VFL who might now get some opportunities. Hopefully Mitch Brown can stop getting injured and have a good go at it.
exactly.
whilst the OP has a point, regardless, saying is this a kneejerk reaction to one loss is delusional.
Geelong are 0 from their last 4 against what will be the top 2 teams who will play of next week, but also the way in which these two have controlled such large parts of the game against Geelong was the real story...St. Kilda were the dominant side last year and even Geelong fans would have to agree the GF win had an element of luck. It is hardly a one game demise.
It had to happen - as Leigh Matthews said most of the AFL world are 12 months behind were teams really are - if you watched closely Geelong, whilst having a soft draw, were hardly the impressive side of years gone by this year. Forget where they finished, watch them play. Change has been evident for months and months. Look at last week for example, the scoreboard covered a disgraceful performance which to me, was a team who had lost the plot and weren't ready at all for what was coming.
Last night wasnt kneejerk, it just put an exclamation point on what many had already seen if they were looking. And no surprises either, teams cant be up for ever.
If they can gain 2 top picks for Ablett,2-3-4 may retire, others wont but look finished... it may indeed be the perfect time to rebuild this club. The worst thing you can do, like we did, was try to hold on for those extra 2-3-4 years...it actually sends you back a lot further.
whilst the OP has a point, regardless, saying is this a kneejerk reaction to one loss is delusional.
Geelong are 0 from their last 4 against what will be the top 2 teams who will play of next week, but also the way in which these two have controlled such large parts of the game against Geelong was the real story...St. Kilda were the dominant side last year and even Geelong fans would have to agree the GF win had an element of luck. It is hardly a one game demise.
It had to happen - as Leigh Matthews said most of the AFL world are 12 months behind were teams really are - if you watched closely Geelong, whilst having a soft draw, were hardly the impressive side of years gone by this year. Forget where they finished, watch them play. Change has been evident for months and months. Look at last week for example, the scoreboard covered a disgraceful performance which to me, was a team who had lost the plot and weren't ready at all for what was coming.
Last night wasnt kneejerk, it just put an exclamation point on what many had already seen if they were looking. And no surprises either, teams cant be up for ever.
If they can gain 2 top picks for Ablett,2-3-4 may retire, others wont but look finished... it may indeed be the perfect time to rebuild this club. The worst thing you can do, like we did, was try to hold on for those extra 2-3-4 years...it actually sends you back a lot further.
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