Banter Geelong V Richmond - GO!

[Wosh]

In the interests of keeping your back and forth shite fights out of match threads so normal people can talk.

Keep it clean and above the shorts
Off topic rubbish clogging up match threads will be moved here, knock yourselves out.

 

[PhatBoy]

Either way it was massive. Almost nobody would voluntarily give up $1.4m for just a small chance of some more flags. At that stage we were unlikely to win 2017 as well. If that isn’t good deal by the club idk what it. Keeping your drafted players and managing your cap is also a skill.

He didn’t give up $1.4 million, his deal with the Tigers was believed to be between somewhere between $1.2 and $1.3

Now I can’t knock a guy for taking a lower offer - good luck to him for doing it. But he gave up somewhere around, at a guess, $150,000 a season.

The people knocking Ablett for things like disloyalty and knocking Geelong for not being able to keep him?

The gap between what we could offer him and what the Suns could offer, and remember that the AFL were funding their bid to sign him, was nearly a million bucks a season.

I’m taking off my ‘just shit on everything Falcon says’ hat here and talking normally.

It’s not a like for like comparison mate and no sensible analysis would ever claim that it is.


And by the way, even the ‘at that stage we were unlikely to win’ part further proves your lack of willingness to bother backing up your words.

‘At that stage’ it was August 31. Round 23 had just been completed and Richmond had finished 2 points, or half a game, off the minor premiership. North Melbourne went 6-16.

Who don’t think Martin reckoned had a better chance of success?

 

[PhatBoy]

Don’t forget the rigged ground. I honestly don’t know how you do it man. You’d be a great CEO steamrolling everybody in your way, morals out the window.

The rigged ground that’s almost the identical dimensions of West Coast’s home ground for 30 years. Yeah. Good one.

The rigged ground that we leave to beat all the other teams on.

The rigged ground where if we didn’t even play, we’d still make finals ever season based on our away percentage over the past 17 years.

Yeah. Dunno how I do it, man.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

The rigged ground that’s almost the identical dimensions of West Coast’s home ground for 30 years. Yeah. Good one.

The rigged ground that we leave to beat all the other teams on.

The rigged ground where if we didn’t even play, we’d still make finals ever season based on our away percentage over the past 17 years.

Yeah. Dunno how I do it, man.

Are we talking about that rigged ground called the MCG where we have won four grand finals at and 5 preliminary finals at in the past 16 years?? What a spooky place for us.

 

[Cleansweep17]

He didn’t give up $1.4 million, his deal with the Tigers was believed to be between somewhere between $1.2 and $1.3

Now I can’t knock a guy for taking a lower offer - good luck to him for doing it. But he gave up somewhere around, at a guess, $150,000 a season.

The people knocking Ablett for things like disloyalty and knocking Geelong for not being able to keep him?

The gap between what we could offer him and what the Suns could offer, and remember that the AFL were funding their bid to sign him, was nearly a million bucks a season.

I’m taking off my ‘just s**t on everything Falcon says’ hat here and talking normally.

It’s not a like for like comparison mate and no sensible analysis would ever claim that it is.


And by the way, even the ‘at that stage we were unlikely to win’ part further proves your lack of willingness to bother backing up your words.

‘At that stage’ it was August 31. Round 23 had just been completed and Richmond had finished 2 points, or half a game, off the minor premiership. North Melbourne went 6-16.

Who don’t think Martin reckoned had a better chance of success?

No over the lifetime of the contract it was $1.4 million about $200k less each year for 7 years. It’s a lot of money. Not just $150k

 

[Cleansweep17]

The rigged ground that’s almost the identical dimensions of West Coast’s home ground for 30 years. Yeah. Good one.

The rigged ground that we leave to beat all the other teams on.

The rigged ground where if we didn’t even play, we’d still make finals ever season based on our away percentage over the past 17 years.

Yeah. Dunno how I do it, man.

I believe they upgraded there stadium to be similar to MCG dimensions. They also share the home ground with Freo. They also travel further than you for away in vic. So yeah not the same buddy. Try again.

 

[Cleansweep17]

Are we talking about that rigged ground called the MCG where we have won four grand finals at and 5 preliminary finals at in the past 16 years?? What a spooky place for us.

Exactly now imagine you didn’t have those advantages and finished lower in the H&A ladder.

 

[PhatBoy]

No over the lifetime of the contract it was $1.4 million about $200k less each year for 7 years. It’s a lot of money. Not just $150k

Yet you want to criticise another club because they couldn’t keep a guy who could make an extra $5 million in five years and compare the two situations as though they are like for like.

See what people are getting at when they say you don’t think before you post?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Yet you want to criticise another club because they couldn’t keep a guy who could make an extra $5 million in five years and compare the two situations as though they are like for like.

See what people are getting at when they say you don’t think before you post?

Not to mention Martin would have probably lost more money on sponsorship deals moving to north than staying at Richmond. In the end it was a better financial move to remain at Richmond.

Ablett became a poster boy for football across the entire Gold Coast and had his finger in huge promotions as an ambassador.

The differences is absolutely huge between the two

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Exactly now imagine you didn’t have those advantages and finished lower in the H&A ladder.

An advantage of beating sides at the MCG?? We showed we could win footy games anywhere anytime.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

No over the lifetime of the contract it was $1.4 million about $200k less each year for 7 years. It’s a lot of money. Not just $150k

How much money do you think Martin would have lost in sponsorship moving from a large club like Richmond to north Melbourne?? His manager would have made him very aware of this.

 

[PhatBoy]

I believe they upgraded there stadium to be similar to MCG dimensions. They also share the home ground with Freo. They also travel further than you for away in vic. So yeah not the same buddy. Try again.

They didn’t upgrade anything. It was the same dimensions the whole way through and then the WA government built a new stadium to be used for five different sports which is NOW closer to the dimensions of the MCG.

For 17 years we’ve been winning at a rate AWAY from home at a rate good enough to make finals mate.

If your spread our AWAY win percentage out across that period, and we never set foot on Kardinia Park, and gave us an average ranking per season, average a finals appearance. You can’t win this argument mate, it’s a mathematical impossibility I’m sorry to tell you.

Literally two days ago I told you that at one point, playing exclusively against teams BASED at the MCG with a couple of games against neutral opponents, we went 32-8 there.

If you stretched that out, it works out to a couple of seasons of 16-4 playing basically away games against MCG tenants with a couple of Marvel teams and a game against Port thrown in.

You can bitch about it all you want. It doesn’t change mathematical certainty. We win everywhere and have done for 17 seasons.
The only venue we have a losing record at in that time is Perth Stadium itself, and even then it’s mostly because we’ve only drawn West Coast there once in the last three seasons.

 

[Cleansweep17]

Yet you want to criticise another club because they couldn’t keep a guy who could make an extra $5 million in five years and compare the two situations as though they are like for like.

See what people are getting at when they say you don’t think before you post?

What? Gary didn’t turn anything down. He would’ve left for Dustys money too. He didn’t really care about Geelong at that point. 2 flags was enough and he needed the money.

 

[Cleansweep17]

An advantage of beating sides at the MCG?? We showed we could win footy games anywhere anytime.

You wouldn’t have made finals/top 4 as many times without GMHBA. You’re like interstate sides with the H&A advantage.

 

[PhatBoy]

Exactly now imagine you didn’t have those advantages and finished lower in the H&A ladder.

What advantages? We STILL WIN EVERYWHERE lol

You realise that other teams still have home grounds right? Yes you have to share them but you still have them and you get to play 15-16 games there a year.

We are winning in our top four years, 9-10 games AWAY from Kardinia Park. If we were based somewhere else we would STILL HAVE A HOME GROUND SOMEWHERE this we would STILL BE WINNING A LOT OF GAMES, STILL BE WINNING ALL THE FINALS THAT WE WERE ALREADY WINNING AWAY FROM THERE.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

What? Gary didn’t turn anything down. He would’ve left for Dustys money too. He didn’t really care about Geelong at that point. 2 flags was enough.

Dusty would have lost money going to north via sponsorship deals dropping at a smaller club. He didn’t sacrifice anything

 

[PhatBoy]

What? Gary didn’t turn anything down. He would’ve left for Dustys money too. He didn’t really care about Geelong at that point. 2 flags was enough.

No he wouldn’t. Hence he spent the better part of a year deliberating over it. If you spend a season deliberating over a million bucks, do you think $150,000 is going to sway you? Probably not. And yeah something tells me having spent his entire life at the club, and played in a flag there with his brother and grown up in the region, he probably had some ties there.

Do primary schools give out psychology degrees now?

 

[Cleansweep17]

What advantages? We STILL WIN EVERYWHERE lol

You realise that other teams still have home grounds right? Yes you have to share them but you still have them and you get to play 15-16 games there a year.

We are winning in our top four years, 9-10 games AWAY from Kardinia Park. If we were based somewhere else we would STILL HAVE A HOME GROUND SOMEWHERE this we would STILL BE WINNING A LOT OF GAMES, STILL BE WINNING ALL THE FINALS THAT WE WERE ALREADY WINNING AWAY FROM THERE.

There is a whole thread on it. You should go read it I won’t talk about it on here anymore. I’m not the only person who thinks this.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

You wouldn’t have made finals/top 4 as many times without GMHBA. You’re like interstate sides with the H&A advantage.

If professional afl clubs can’t adapt to a difference in ground dimensions then stiff, that is their issue and a talent one. Adaptability is a sign of skill.

If Richmond want to play some home games at geelong then be our guest to request it.

4 premierships won at the MCG clearly shows we have no issues playing at the ground or winning there. You seem to struggle grasping simple concepts

 

[Cleansweep17]

No he wouldn’t. Hence he spent the better part of a year deliberating over it. If you spend a season deliberating over a million bucks, do you think $150,000 is going to sway you? Probably not. And yeah something tells me having spent his entire life at the club, and played in a flag there with his brother and grown up in the region, he probably had some ties there.

Do primary schools give out psychology degrees now?

Meh whatever, he’s known as a mercenary and a 2 club player. Sucks for you.

 

[Cleansweep17]

If professional afl clubs can’t adapt to a difference in ground dimensions then stiff, that is their issue and a talent one. Adaptability is a sign of skill.

If Richmond want to play some home games at geelong then be our guest to request it.

4 premierships won at the MCG clearly shows we have no issues playing at the ground or winning there. You seem to struggle grasping simple concepts

There is a whole thread on it. Go read it. Most people think it’s rigged. It’s just a fact. You even had a chance to upgrade the dimensions in your renovation like Optus. But surprise surprise, you kept it the same. Geelong FC wants to keep their advantage.

 

[PhatBoy]

Meh whatever, he’s known as a mercenary and a 2 club player. Sucks for you.

Why? That sucks for me, um, how, exactly? Guy I haven’t met worked for two agencies in his job?

Oh yeah I’m going to have to change jobs myself over that one

F**ken have a listen to yourself

 

[Cleansweep17]

Why? That sucks for me, um, how, exactly? Guy I haven’t met worked for two agencies in his job?

Oh yeah I’m going to have to change jobs myself over that one

F**ken have a listen to yourself

Because he wasn’t a one club player. Please don’t pretend you wouldn’t have preferred to keep him. None of this I’m ok with either decision crap. It it was your choice you’d keep him. like a normal supporter.

Anyway I’ll take a break from this thread now. I’m getting off topic.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

There is a whole thread on it. Go read it. Most people think it’s rigged. It’s just a fact. You even had a chance to upgrade the dimensions in your renovation like Optus. But surprise surprise, you kept it the same. Geelong FC wants to keep their advantage.

rigged?? Have we set up land mines across the field that I am unaware of?? Are the umpires paid bribery?? Do the goal posts move when opposition kick for goal?? Honestly you can’t even put basic arguments forward. It’s not “rigged”

 

[Fadge]

There is a whole thread on it. You should go read it I won’t talk about it on here anymore. I’m not the only person who thinks this.

'Everybody' thinks this...

 

[PhatBoy]

Because he wasn’t a one club player. Please don’t pretend you wouldn’t have preferred to keep him. None of this I’m ok with either decision crap. It it was your choice you’d keep him. like a normal supporter.

Anyway I’ll take a break from this thread now. I’m getting off topic.

Of course I’m ok with either decision - he’s a f**king human being you clown

What am I his remote controller in a video game? Yes of course from a ‘would I have liked him out there during the 2013 preliminary final’ perspective it would have been nice but stiff shit, we still fielded 22 players and led the whole game, we should have won it, who the f**k cares: he’s a bloke like you or me, he has a right to do his job wherever the hell he likes.

If someone does a Tom Hawkins and takes pay cuts or whatever to keep others at a club, then that’s great and absolutely it is fantastic and more power to them but I’m not about to tell someone who has at best 17-18 years to make their living, to take a 50 per cent pay cut so that I can ‘feel better about them being a one club player’ how f**king entitled is that bahahahaha

I’m a fat c**t 750 kilometres away who watches a bunch of blokes kick a ball mate.

‘Oh please put your entire life plans on hold so I can tell people you only played for one jersey’