AFLW 2024 - Round 3 - Chat, game threads, injury lists, team lineups and more.
If the flanker market is that good Essendon could have a serious crack at dominating this trade period as well.
I think that's overstating it. There has been a bit of a consensus in the field (except for evil Dr McCrory) that it's not only the incidents that result in the clinical pattern we call concussion but also more minor ones. The problem is how do you recognise the more minor ones? We have no easy way identify them*. To say that CTE is not caused by concussion is a stupid way to say it, it's semantics. Strictly speaking he is correct, its the force that's causes the concussion symptoms that also causes CTE. 'The hit and not the concussion' The concussion is a marker of significant trauma and one that definitely increases your risk of CTE. The minority of sportsman with CTE, 20% according to a pretty poor study, are said to have not had a concussion. We already know this from CTE in soldiers and industrial exposure. It's difficult to study. The field is hamstrung by there being no good premorbid test to diagnose CTE or events that will cause CTE. Symptoms of CTE overlap those on just about every neurological and psychological illness and they can take decades to evolve. There a few hints in the data that genetics is important. Folks with certain genes seem to have a propensity for it. One of the alleles APOE gene seem to increase your risk of CTE, but also worsens outcomes in major head trauma, post cardiac arrest neuro outcomes and maybe even stroke. Perhaps one day we will screen AFL players for these genes. There's a PhD for someone.There is so much more to learn about brain injuries, some of the latest.
The contested science of head injuries in sport
Concussion studies by Australia’s top football codes have stalled amid scientific controversy over the causes of neurodegenerative diseases in players.www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au
The contested science of head injuries in sport
Wendy CarlisleAugust 31, 2024
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According to CTE expert and adjunct professor at Swinburne University of Technology Alan Pearce, the AFL prefers to talk about concussion rather than the dangers of repeated head injury. The concussion protocols and head injury assessment (HIA) focus on what he calls the “symptomatology paradigm” – that is, hits that cause concussive symptoms.
“CTE is not caused by concussion. It’s due to exposure of small impacts over many years,” Pearce told a recent corporate fundraiser for the Concussion Legacy Foundation Australia in Melbourne. “Those people diagnosed with CTE had long careers and started contact sports from the age of five ... We’ve had players diagnosed with CTE who have never had a concussion.”
Of more than 100 donor brains analysed at the Australian Sports Brain Bank, 48 have been diagnosed with CTE. They include NRL and rugby union players, AFL players Danny Frawley, Shane Tuck and Graham “Polly” Farmer, and Heather Anderson, the first AFLW player to be diagnosed.
At the corporate fundraiser for the Concussion Legacy Foundation Australia, sitting at table one, were AFL retirees Nathan Murphy and Paddy McCartin.
Murphy, who played for 15 minutes in Collingwood’s grand final win last year before suffering a career-ending hit, is grateful for the AFL’s decision to retire him. “They ended my footy career,” said Murphy, before reframing it: “I mean, they saved my life.”
Nick Maxwell, a former Collingwood captain and All-Australian, said hearing Pearce talk about CTE was a shock. “I was surprised to hear that,” he said, “and I played footy from the age of five.”
I can’t think of a flanker in the league I’d pay that for.
I know, right. GC will give up way more than that for Rioli!
This has been known for a long time. There are even instances in the army where working with artillery and heavy weaponry causes concussion like symptoms over time. Anything that rattles the brain, it can be a hit to the head or a hit to the body - footy isn't going to be out of the mud with CTE any time soon.There is so much more to learn about brain injuries, some of the latest.
The contested science of head injuries in sport
Concussion studies by Australia’s top football codes have stalled amid scientific controversy over the causes of neurodegenerative diseases in players.
The contested science of head injuries in sport
Wendy CarlisleAugust 31, 2024
...
According to CTE expert and adjunct professor at Swinburne University of Technology Alan Pearce, the AFL prefers to talk about concussion rather than the dangers of repeated head injury. The concussion protocols and head injury assessment (HIA) focus on what he calls the “symptomatology paradigm” – that is, hits that cause concussive symptoms.
“CTE is not caused by concussion. It’s due to exposure of small impacts over many years,” Pearce told a recent corporate fundraiser for the Concussion Legacy Foundation Australia in Melbourne. “Those people diagnosed with CTE had long careers and started contact sports from the age of five ... We’ve had players diagnosed with CTE who have never had a concussion.”
Of more than 100 donor brains analysed at the Australian Sports Brain Bank, 48 have been diagnosed with CTE. They include NRL and rugby union players, AFL players Danny Frawley, Shane Tuck and Graham “Polly” Farmer, and Heather Anderson, the first AFLW player to be diagnosed.
At the corporate fundraiser for the Concussion Legacy Foundation Australia, sitting at table one, were AFL retirees Nathan Murphy and Paddy McCartin.
Murphy, who played for 15 minutes in Collingwood’s grand final win last year before suffering a career-ending hit, is grateful for the AFL’s decision to retire him. “They ended my footy career,” said Murphy, before reframing it: “I mean, they saved my life.”
Nick Maxwell, a former Collingwood captain and All-Australian, said hearing Pearce talk about CTE was a shock. “I was surprised to hear that,” he said, “and I played footy from the age of five.”
THIS. I've been suggesting this even on some amusement rides, to look at how much the head goes through that it wasn't designed for.
It's doable. Accelerometers are cheap as chips, heck, they are chips.
Actually chronic pain and inflammation can in fact lead to those things.
It certainly is, I've done it. For different reasons. We put accelerometers on kids heads and on their hips. We wanted to see the effect of the natural inclination to reduce movement of the head in extreme changes in motion. The acceleration at the top of the head is far less than at the hip. This came from the observation of a Japanese architect who noticed from cameras fixed to trains that people who were standing showed that their heads moved relative to the train but their bodies didn't. It turned out it was because if the natural inclination to keep the head still relative to the earth, helped maintain balance. He installed large volumes of water in wooden towers suspended by chains to the tops of the towers and shook the crap out of them. The towers with the water "heads" didn't collapse, while towers without them fell apart almost immediately.
Gold Coast haven't, but they also haven't existed that long yet.So every other team in the comp has won a final in the last 20 years but Essendon?
Outstanding.
No, Gold coast hasn't even played one.So every other team in the comp has won a final in the last 20 years but Essendon?
Outstanding.
1. Running doesn't cause injury short or long term. Long term use injuries associated with running are caused by compensating for some disfunction while running. But i get what you are suggesting.
Yeah I used to be with 3 mobile back in the day around that time. They used to also sponsor the Australian Cricket team and they had a cool feature at the time where you could live stream for free (it didn't count towards your data allowance) the 2006-2007 Ashes series. I have vivid memories of watching the Amazing Adelaide comeback test match with Warnie taking those wickets in the 2nd innings which turned the match on my tiny by today's standards Nokia while at work.
