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I knew raptalia would bring out the Lawrie Jervis storyAlways entertaining.
I also have one about Rucci but I will leave that for later.
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I also have one about Rucci but I will leave that for later.
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Long time serving Oz PM Bob Menzies 1939-41 and 1949-66 was a Carlton man and in 1971 when he was he was frail from a stroke and 76 years old, Carlton built a ramp for him behind the northern end goals at Princess Park and his chauffeur drove his Bentley up the ramp and parked it so Bob could watch all Carlton home games.
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The Heatley Stand, to which Carlton in their glory days of the early 1980s so often unleashed a torrent of goals, is a particular source of nostalgia for Blues fans.
It was the regular vantage point for former Prime Minister Sir Robert Menzies, who after suffering a stroke in 1971, was afforded the benefit of a ramp built at the edge of the grandstand for his chauffeured car to drive up into the ground and still allow the incapacitated dignitary a superb view of the action.
De Bolfo, unable to resist a quip, is unable to confirm whether the driver was instructed to toot the horn when Carlton scored a goal, in accordance with local football tradition.
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Carlton's Princes Park ghosts a magical history tour
It's been 10 years now since Princes Park was last used as an AFL venue, but the stories of Carlton's famous old ground and the supporters who flocked to it continue to emerge.
The Heatley Stand, to which Carlton in their glory days of the early 1980s so often unleashed a torrent of goals, is a particular source of nostalgia for Blues fans.
It was the regular vantage point for former Prime Minister Sir Robert Menzies, who after suffering a stroke in 1971, was afforded the benefit of a ramp built at the edge of the grandstand for his chauffeured car to drive up into the ground and still allow the incapacitated dignitary a superb view of the action.
De Bolfo, unable to resist a quip, is unable to confirm whether the driver was instructed to toot the horn when Carlton scored a goal, in accordance with local football tradition.
Memories of Bob and the Mighty Blues
Lifelong supporter John Menzies, nephew of Carlton's long-serving No.1 ticketholder Sir Robert Menzies, recently visited Ikon Park to evoke the memory of his late uncle.
Pig Iron BobLong time serving Oz PM Bob Menzies 1939-41 and 1949-66 was a Carlton man and in 1971 when he was he was frail from a stroke and 76 years old, Carlton built a ramp for him behind the northern end goals at Princess Park and his chauffeur drove his Bentley up the ramp and parked it so Bob could watch all Carlton home games.
Carlton's Princes Park ghosts a magical history tour
It's been 10 years now since Princes Park was last used as an AFL venue, but the stories of Carlton's famous old ground and the supporters who flocked to it continue to emerge.
The Heatley Stand, to which Carlton in their glory days of the early 1980s so often unleashed a torrent of goals, is a particular source of nostalgia for Blues fans.
It was the regular vantage point for former Prime Minister Sir Robert Menzies, who after suffering a stroke in 1971, was afforded the benefit of a ramp built at the edge of the grandstand for his chauffeured car to drive up into the ground and still allow the incapacitated dignitary a superb view of the action.
De Bolfo, unable to resist a quip, is unable to confirm whether the driver was instructed to toot the horn when Carlton scored a goal, in accordance with local football tradition.
Memories of Bob and the Mighty Blues
Lifelong supporter John Menzies, nephew of Carlton's long-serving No.1 ticketholder Sir Robert Menzies, recently visited Ikon Park to evoke the memory of his late uncle.
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Time flies as the old saying goes, particularly with the realisation the long haired girl with her arms folded would probably be in her mid to late 60's today.Long time serving Oz PM Bob Menzies 1939-41 and 1949-66 was a Carlton man and in 1971 when he was he was frail from a stroke and 76 years old, Carlton built a ramp for him behind the northern end goals at Princess Park and his chauffeur drove his Bentley up the ramp and parked it so Bob could watch all Carlton home games.
Carlton's Princes Park ghosts a magical history tour
It's been 10 years now since Princes Park was last used as an AFL venue, but the stories of Carlton's famous old ground and the supporters who flocked to it continue to emerge.
The Heatley Stand, to which Carlton in their glory days of the early 1980s so often unleashed a torrent of goals, is a particular source of nostalgia for Blues fans.
It was the regular vantage point for former Prime Minister Sir Robert Menzies, who after suffering a stroke in 1971, was afforded the benefit of a ramp built at the edge of the grandstand for his chauffeured car to drive up into the ground and still allow the incapacitated dignitary a superb view of the action.
De Bolfo, unable to resist a quip, is unable to confirm whether the driver was instructed to toot the horn when Carlton scored a goal, in accordance with local football tradition.
Memories of Bob and the Mighty Blues
Lifelong supporter John Menzies, nephew of Carlton's long-serving No.1 ticketholder Sir Robert Menzies, recently visited Ikon Park to evoke the memory of his late uncle.
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I wonder if old mate John Elliott assumed that ramp after Ming's demise.
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Harold Holt more a Sorrento Seahorses kind of guy.
Liked a swim that much he decided not to come on out of the water.
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Or was murdered by the dark haired kid in the skivvy.
Blair and Gordon, good Port Pirie boys.
Or the cramp.
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I'm late to the party on this one, but I can recall when they first televised the Magarey Medal in the late 1960's when they were held in the Adelaide town hall and there were brief interviews with past winners, including Wat Scott and others, plus a bloke who may have been the oldest living Magarey Medallist at the time, Port Adelaide's Sampson `Shine' Hosking who was born at Glanville in 1888!
`Shine' won two Magarey Medals in the early 1900's, played in 4 premierships, 3 winning championship of Australia games against the Victorian premiers, wins against the WAFL premiers and SA state teams and coached the club to flags as well.
He was absolute Port Adelaide royalty who was rated in 2020 as the 5th best player in the club's history and was a guest for a couple of the early televised counts, but apparently tv stations regularly re-used tapes back then so it is unfortunately likely that none of those old black and white telecasts still exist.
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One of the most striking things about photos of that era is hardly an obese person in sight. Contrast that to what's going on today...
Must've been just before the food pyramid came on the scene and recommended everyone give up meat and eggs and consume 7 to 12 servings of cereals, breads and pasta
I wonder what the club diet is like now? I remember back when Burgess was here and we were outrunning other clubs, not looking stuffed all the time, it was lower carbs.One of the most striking things about photos of that era is hardly an obese person in sight. Contrast that to what's going on today...
Must've been just before the food pyramid came on the scene and recommended everyone give up meat and eggs and consume 7 to 12 servings of cereals, breads and pasta
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I will never tire of seeing the bloke in the Glenelg coach's box smoking a pipe.
Or Bruce Light taking the wind out of David Holst in the last quarter (around 2.05.40).
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A few people liking the Bob Menzie stuff, got me thinking about some stuff re PMs and the influence of Aussie Rules in Canberra.
Post 1949 to 1991 most of the Oz PMs were from Aussie Rules heartland of Victoria and had a dominate influence in Canberra. Only Billy McMahon 1971-72 and Gough Whitlam 1972-75 were from Sydney.
Post Hawke most PMs have been from Sydney, ie Keating, Howard, Abott, Turnbull, Morrison and Albanesse, with Rudd from Qld and Gillard grew up in SA moved to Melbourne when she was about 23 and became a passionate Bulldogs fan.
When the game was less professional having footy PMs helped influence things, especially in the battle with rugby league to be the dominate footy code.
Now since the winning of Sydney Olympics hosting bid in 1993, politicans of both main parties throw money at sport especially infrastructure whereas before 1993, very little was spent outside the AIS programs.
Politicans have learnt the value of attaching themselves to sporting clubs, and the AFL has outsmarted NRL soccer, cricket, basketball and others and become the dominate sporting lobby group to gain federal government largesse and no longer need the PM to be from Victoria like the first 50 years after WW II.
I use the phrase the marketing horsepower of the AFL a fair bit, moreso away from these forums, and thats because the AFL has spread its tenticales far, wide and deep across the media, community, business and society in general and the politicans have latched on.
In its own way the AFL is becoming like the IOC and FIFA.
Post 1949 to 1991 most of the Oz PMs were from Aussie Rules heartland of Victoria and had a dominate influence in Canberra. Only Billy McMahon 1971-72 and Gough Whitlam 1972-75 were from Sydney.
Post Hawke most PMs have been from Sydney, ie Keating, Howard, Abott, Turnbull, Morrison and Albanesse, with Rudd from Qld and Gillard grew up in SA moved to Melbourne when she was about 23 and became a passionate Bulldogs fan.
When the game was less professional having footy PMs helped influence things, especially in the battle with rugby league to be the dominate footy code.
Now since the winning of Sydney Olympics hosting bid in 1993, politicans of both main parties throw money at sport especially infrastructure whereas before 1993, very little was spent outside the AIS programs.
Politicans have learnt the value of attaching themselves to sporting clubs, and the AFL has outsmarted NRL soccer, cricket, basketball and others and become the dominate sporting lobby group to gain federal government largesse and no longer need the PM to be from Victoria like the first 50 years after WW II.
I use the phrase the marketing horsepower of the AFL a fair bit, moreso away from these forums, and thats because the AFL has spread its tenticales far, wide and deep across the media, community, business and society in general and the politicans have latched on.
In its own way the AFL is becoming like the IOC and FIFA.
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Found these 2 videos on Waverley Park last weekend. It got to 77,000 with standing room allowing record crowd of 91,000 in 1981.
The initial plan was to complete it with 157,000 seats. But the Vic government never built the planned railway to Glen Waverley.
Premier John Cain was against the VFL moving lock stock and barrell the GF to Waverley Park. He was no fan of the MCC and forced them in 1984 to give females full membership for the MCG rather than the somewhat restricted Ladies membership.
The MCC initially strongly resisted and then said ok, but they have to go to the bottom of the waiting list that was about 23 years back then. He's wasn't thrilled with that, but accepted it. He didn't do anything to improve public transport out to Waverley Park.
But in 1988 he banged the VFL's head and MCC's heads together, the MCG Trust, a government trust that owns the land the MCC have built the MCG on, and worked out the deal to build the Great Southern Stand for the 1992 ICC Cricket World Cup and then the AFL get a 23,000 seat reserve to sell AFL membership and keep those monies and distribute it to the VFL club's via the club support tick a box process and the 40 year VFL GF rule at the MCG, which at the time said at least one game a week come finals time has to be played at the MCG.
It was a masterstroke for Victoria and it was Cain who 3 years earlier drove the building of Flinders Park which was renamed Melbourne Park tennis centre in 1996 by Jeff Kennett, to make a poorly ranked Australian Open the 4th tennis grand slam event, become the player's favourite grand slam event. Cain helped set up that whole Melbourne and Olympic Park precinct that would be added to for years after he left as premier and has helped give Melbourne that sporting capital of Oz/the world tag.
This 2 minute video from 2022 is just the relatively new 3d computer modelling of the proposed 157,000 design.
This one from 9 days ago, is 11 minutes with a lot more history and the 3d modelling from the above video.
The initial plan was to complete it with 157,000 seats. But the Vic government never built the planned railway to Glen Waverley.
Premier John Cain was against the VFL moving lock stock and barrell the GF to Waverley Park. He was no fan of the MCC and forced them in 1984 to give females full membership for the MCG rather than the somewhat restricted Ladies membership.
The MCC initially strongly resisted and then said ok, but they have to go to the bottom of the waiting list that was about 23 years back then. He's wasn't thrilled with that, but accepted it. He didn't do anything to improve public transport out to Waverley Park.
But in 1988 he banged the VFL's head and MCC's heads together, the MCG Trust, a government trust that owns the land the MCC have built the MCG on, and worked out the deal to build the Great Southern Stand for the 1992 ICC Cricket World Cup and then the AFL get a 23,000 seat reserve to sell AFL membership and keep those monies and distribute it to the VFL club's via the club support tick a box process and the 40 year VFL GF rule at the MCG, which at the time said at least one game a week come finals time has to be played at the MCG.
It was a masterstroke for Victoria and it was Cain who 3 years earlier drove the building of Flinders Park which was renamed Melbourne Park tennis centre in 1996 by Jeff Kennett, to make a poorly ranked Australian Open the 4th tennis grand slam event, become the player's favourite grand slam event. Cain helped set up that whole Melbourne and Olympic Park precinct that would be added to for years after he left as premier and has helped give Melbourne that sporting capital of Oz/the world tag.
This 2 minute video from 2022 is just the relatively new 3d computer modelling of the proposed 157,000 design.
This one from 9 days ago, is 11 minutes with a lot more history and the 3d modelling from the above video.
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This is the moment that I said 100%, SA has to put a team in the VFL.
I wanted it to be Port, but didn't know where we would find $4mil to pay the upfront for the licence fee, like West Coast and Brisbane had to pay and not the original $4m over 10 years.
In October 1986 I thought SA and WA have to stick together to get the best deal out of the Vics. Either both in or both out. But I didn't understand that WA footy was on its knees, selling players for transfer fees to survive, and not owning Subiaco Oval meant they couldn't hang on much longer, whereas as Footy Park provided SA footy with great financial rewards.
I spent almost 12 months in Canada - working and USA - travelling between mid May 1988 and late April 1989. After I got home and having observed and studied the North American sports, I told everyone back in Oz, its only a matter of time before SA joins a proper national league and the soon the better.
8 weeks later and after this state game thrashing it made me want it to happen for 1990. The gap had become too big and was only going one way. 86 point thrashing.
Bring back the mud!!
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Tony Lockett, Jason Dunstall and Dermott Brereton in the same forward line.
35 years ago today Victoria faced South Australia at the MCG in front of 91,960 - the largest crowd at a State of Origin game. There were legends everywhere!
I wanted it to be Port, but didn't know where we would find $4mil to pay the upfront for the licence fee, like West Coast and Brisbane had to pay and not the original $4m over 10 years.
In October 1986 I thought SA and WA have to stick together to get the best deal out of the Vics. Either both in or both out. But I didn't understand that WA footy was on its knees, selling players for transfer fees to survive, and not owning Subiaco Oval meant they couldn't hang on much longer, whereas as Footy Park provided SA footy with great financial rewards.
I spent almost 12 months in Canada - working and USA - travelling between mid May 1988 and late April 1989. After I got home and having observed and studied the North American sports, I told everyone back in Oz, its only a matter of time before SA joins a proper national league and the soon the better.
8 weeks later and after this state game thrashing it made me want it to happen for 1990. The gap had become too big and was only going one way. 86 point thrashing.
Bring back the mud!!
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Tony Lockett, Jason Dunstall and Dermott Brereton in the same forward line.
35 years ago today Victoria faced South Australia at the MCG in front of 91,960 - the largest crowd at a State of Origin game. There were legends everywhere!
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Some bloke called Darren Smith with 3 goals. Dunstall standing some bloke called Delaney.
Edit: Was this the only SoO game Cahill coached? He also coached the SANFL v TFL debacle in 1995 if I recall correctly. But he did manage to guide Port's win over the ACT that same season when we had a bye.
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Apart from the mud, the other thing that stands out is that nobody got in the hole to stop Lockett leading.
Lockett now days, at 191cns probably plays midfield especially at his current weight in the low 90kgs and not his playing weight of the 1990s of about 115kgs . He looks pretty trim in this game.
Lockett now days, at 191cns probably plays midfield especially at his current weight in the low 90kgs and not his playing weight of the 1990s of about 115kgs . He looks pretty trim in this game.
