Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 2

[cats_09]

Ask and we'll try our best to assist - so here's 2024 Provisional AFL Draft Order

As normal, would like to acknowledge & thank Lore for creating this, keeping it up to date and making it available for all users on BF to use and keep track of the picks ahead of the upcoming draft





I'll also sticky this post to ensure it's easily accessible for discussion of our hypothetical trader


Also,

2024 Free Agency Period​

The AFL introduced free agency at the end of the 2012 season, giving players another vehicle where they can transfer from one club to another. Free agency is a common form of player movement in major football and sporting codes around the world.

Free Agency Opens: Friday October 4 at 9.00am
Free Agency Closes: Friday October 11 at 5.00pm

Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period​

Trade Period Opens: Monday October 7 at 9.00am
Trade Period Closes: Wednesday October 16 at 7.30pm

 

[dazbroncos]

Smith is 23, with 100 games under his belt. He was pick 7 in 2018 and is a proven, line breaking GUN.
Yes, he's coming off a knee reco, that's a risk, but we know, at his best, he can be a top 20 player. And he's know where near his playing peak.


We cant get him pre-season. No chance.. Dogs wont accept picks 18ish and 36ish (our first 2 selections), that's way unders.
We dont have any trade capital, our best bet to move up the draft order is to try and trade up with a club such as Bris/GC/ESS/CARL etc who will trade out higher picks for draft points for father/sons/Academy picks. Still, its highly doubtful we have enough to get a top 10 pick.

If we cant satisfy the Doggies, they can always trade him to another side..
Richmond will have plenty of high picks to work with, and could force the Doggies hand to trade or walk Smith to the pre-season draft for nothing. St Kilda would happily pounce with pick 7..
Smith has no power in this trade, Doggies 'could' force him into a Richmond trade by threatening him they will walk him to the pre-season draft and straight into Richmond's hands anyway.

A lot of teams would happily trade those picks just to move into the top 10 of the draft, which is still just a speculative player.

2022 saw the Cats trade picks 38,48,55 AND our 2023 2nd and 4th round picks (31 and 55) ALL for pick 25, which we traded for Ollie Henry.

Perhaps you are new to the trade landscape but as it stands right now the doggies cannot trade smith to anyone - the player had to approve of the destination .
It’s rule 1.

Please don’t post rubbish

Go Catters

 

[dazbroncos]

If the rumours are true we are looking at Martin i will be shocked as we don't need small forwards and unless we are offering base wage and telling him he is backup and will play VFL 99% of the time and he is happy to do that i can't see why he would look at us instead of someone else who needs small forwards.

Preuss is way to injury prone pass

We are looking at a Martin..

Just not Jack….

Heard it here first
Go Catters

 

[FootyLad0]

We are looking at a Martin..

Just not Jack….

Heard it here first
Go Catters

There are currently 3 players in the AFL with the last name Martin.

You just ruled out Jack so that leaves 2

Of the 2…

The first guy while a Champion of the game, is currently a 33 year old on the verge of being completely cooked.

The second guy would probably cost 2 firsts to pry away and is on a deal until 2027.

Hmmmmm….

 

[Kobe Gryant]

We are looking at a Martin..

Just not Jack….

Heard it here first
Go Catters

The Gold Coast Bikie or the one that looks like that dude from the inbetweeners?

 

[Interdimensional Bigfoot]

We are looking at a Martin..

Just not Jack….

Heard it here first
Go Catters

I'd take Dustin, could give us a season or 2 if there's anything left in the tank.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We are looking at a Martin..

Just not Jack….

Heard it here first
Go Catters

Im pretty sure nic martin is not gettable.

 

[calder_daddy]

We are looking at a Martin..

Just not Jack….

Heard it here first
Go Catters

There are currently 3 players in the AFL with the last name Martin.

You just ruled out Jack so that leaves 2

Of the 2…

The first guy while a Champion of the game, is currently a 33 year old on the verge of being completely cooked.

The second guy would probably cost 2 firsts to pry away and is on a deal until 2027.

Hmmmmm….

I'd take Dustin, could give us a season or 2 if there's anything left in the tank.

It’s take Martin just for the melts

 

[supahoops]

We are looking at a Martin..

Just not Jack….

Heard it here first
Go Catters

Stefan? I know our Ruck stocks aren’t the best but does suit our age profile.

 

[dazbroncos]

I was told Ricky Martin…

Livin lavida loca style

Also to rile up the Tugger tossers stealthing this thread


And yes I’ve had a few and was tooling around with threads bans for an idiot in this one
Go Catters

 

[CHAWKTS]

Was just going through our player stats focussing on contested vs uncontested possessions for the year. I found it interesting.

We only have 1 play who has more contested than uncontested (Danger) and 4 who have the same (Atkins, Stanley, Neale, O Henry) with 3 others at 90% (Tanner, Blitz, Tyson).

I suppose that group doesn’t surprise me as inside mids and forward players who need to win contests…

From there I was surprised by a couple of things.

Mannagh was at about 80% which shows he is pretty good on the outside as well (I expected he would have been more even) and Dempsey was actually at 70% the same as Bowes, Stewart, J Henry and more than a lot of other players. Whilst Dempsey looks like an outside link player on the wing (which don’t really get to stoppages) the stats say that 4 out of every 10 possessions were contested - I think that really shows over time he could become more of a stoppage player.

The other outlier for me was Mitch Duncan…Only 1 in every 4 possessions are contested. (The next lowest was 4 in 10 from players like Cameron, Humprhies etc). Miers was 1 in every 3

Maybe useless stats but I found it interesting (was board on a plane!)

 

[MisterMarcus]

It’s take Martin just for the melts

It would be funny seeing Richmond fans turn as viciously against DM as they have against Hardwick.

 

[catempire]

Rohan will go too.

Doesn’t look like it.

 

[Hinkley29]

I just look at it, that he would be better than a Willis/Wiltshire etc... so the lower players on the list, so as a free hit to have if you need it can't hurt?

I also never look at things in terms of stats/analytics etc so I may view things differently to plenty of others. If someone is a DFA and they play games in my view it is a bonus I have low expectations on someone coming in from that position... I am fully aware of Stengle in that situation as well but his case is an outlier not the norm, so no harm in looking at it for me

There is no such thing as a free hit on the list.

Even if the acquisition cost is low, he will still be taking up a spot on the list and more salary cap than a draftee.

Martin is a no for me.

 

[iameviljez]

Doesn’t look like it.

33 and finished the year in the VFL.

 

[catempire]

33 and finished the year in the VFL.

Hey, I’m not arguing the logic. I want him gone.

 

[Mangy Carl]

You gotta be an undercover Western Bulldogs supporter.

If not… my mind is blown.

“hopefully” we can get a worst case scenario result lol.

'Hopefully' Geelong's pick is 15+ again next season... That means Geelong would be finishing TOP 4+ again next season..

I thought that was pretty obvious..

 

[D BRIDGE]

'Hopefully' Geelong's pick is 15+ again next season... That means Geelong would be finishing TOP 4+ again next season..

I thought that was pretty obvious..

Hopefully last pick in the first round then.

Anyway if you are a true Geelong fan and think we will give up 2x R1's for Smith (or the value of that)... I think you will be very pleased after trade period when you see that we got him for less and saved important draft capital.

 

[supahoops]

Went and had a look at 9 mins highlight package of JMartin - get him right he’s well worth a free hit, just oozes class.

 

[iameviljez]

Like I mentioned before, in 2022 Geelong gave up picks 38,48,55 AND 2023 picks 31 and 55 for Ollie Henry, a talented but unproven mid forward.

No we didn't. What are you on about?

We gave up Pick 25 and Cooper Stephens for Ollie Henry.

Edit: Oh I see what you mean. Yeah we packaged a whole heap of crap to Brisbane for P25.

 

[iameviljez]

Went and had a look at 9 mins highlight package of JMartin - get him right he’s well worth a free hit, just oozes class.

Who would he replace in Saturday's 22?

 

[supahoops]

Who would he replace in Saturday's 22?

Disingenuous to say that. He would replace Rohan in the squad. Could see him in OHenry role if required. Let’s assume Stengle went down and we make the GF. Would you take a Willis or Wiltshire in that role if a fit JMartin was available. And yes I know we’d just move the pieces around the chessboard so it’s a non-issue. The opportunity cost for me is pretty low as he’d cost nothing pick wise and I wouldn’t be paying him a huge base salary. Upside could be huge if we get his body right.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Correct. That's why I think the Cats will happily give up, what could be pick 18-22ish this year, and hopefully pick 15+ next year, for Smith.. That's not a high price.

Like I mentioned before, in 2022 Geelong gave up picks 38,48,55 AND 2023 picks 31 and 55 for Ollie Henry, a talented but unproven mid forward.

You are missing far and away the most important part of that trade as it relates here.

Geelong traded out all of that, pretty much everything at their disposal, to NOT trade out a future first. This was coming off a flag.

They value future firsts very highly and I would be astonished if they traded it out. It's not even necessary

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Went and had a look at 9 mins highlight package of JMartin - get him right he’s well worth a free hit, just oozes class.

Went and had a look at the 9 months of the calendar year he's injured for - not sure anyone can get him right

 

[year of the cat]

Went and had a look at 9 mins highlight package of JMartin - get him right he’s well worth a free hit, just oozes class.

Terrific footballer. Just injury prone.

 

[supahoops]

Went and had a look at the 9 months of the calendar year he's injured for - not sure anyone can get him right

Well that’s the risk you take. Look at McCarthy since he left us, barely missed a game before doing his knee. My point is the risk/reward is heavily weighted in our favour.