Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[cats_09]

Here's 2024 Provisional AFL Draft Order

Cheers to Lore for their hard work in setting this up, and making it available for all users on BF to use and keep track of the picks ahead of the upcoming draft - and please practice patience grasshoppers if it's not updated in the immediate aftermath of completed trade





I'll also sticky this post to ensure it's easily accessible for discussion of our hypothetical trader


Also,

2024 Draft and Trade Period Key Dates​

Oct 17 to Nov 8: Pick swap window
Nov 1 to Nov 8: Delisted free agency period
Nov 20-21: Telstra AFL Draft
Nov 22: Telstra Pre-Season Draft and Rookie Draft

 

[My Tilly]

Almost zero.

Very, very, very few players get "turned into" capable key forwards - it's the position on the ground that is most reliant on natural ability.

Shannon Neale is currently in that process, though he played as a ruck/forward as a junior. We did it with Harry Taylor and Ben Graham, though neither of them really looked natural as key forwards with the exception of Graham's final season at the Cattery in 2004.

It's one of the reasons why two-ruck setups have almost died out - because the old era of resting a ruckman in the forward pocket has gone the way of the dodo. Probably David Hale was the best at it from the modern era.

Hence why Jackson is worth the money Fremantle spent on him.
A capable two way bigman yet to hit his prime is what we all hope Neale or De Koning can become.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Any change Mitch edwards ends up a permanent forward at the level??? Much like Sam Darcy

He will play there a lot at vfl level next year partly to ease him in while his body develops and also bc our vfl forward line will have no talls (neale in the 1s foster and Brad the gone) but long term I think he's a ruck IF his body can bulk up and hold up.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Hence why Jackson is worth the money Fremantle spent on him.
A capable two way bigman yet to hit his prime is what we all hope Neale or De Koning can become.

Jackson might be worth it but it was madness giving Darcy 7 years on big money partly because of his knees but also bc you don't want to tie that much cash up in 2 rucks.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

He will play there a lot at vfl level next year partly to ease him in while his body develops and also bc our vfl forward line will have no talls (neale in the 1s foster and Brad the gone) but long term I think he's a ruck IF his body can bulk up and hold up.

My understanding of why rucks get so many injuries early on is not as some people have suggested ( they are growing into their big frames) but the nature of the position.

Jumping or plyometrics is the highest form of intensity placed through your lower limbs. The amount of force that repetitively goes through a ruckmans legs in the first few years is quite an overload to the system.

For example during running the legs take aprox 4-5 times the force of your body weight, where as during jumping depending on the height you are placing between 5-8 times your body weight through your legs.

This leads to a lot of stress fractures tendon and muscular issues and ligament damage.

The amount of strength and conditioning required to handle such large volumes of load through your legs takes some length of time to condition.

Just a nice detail I thought you might like

 

[Lana]

Almost zero.

Very, very, very few players get "turned into" capable key forwards - it's the position on the ground that is most reliant on natural ability.

Shannon Neale is currently in that process, though he played as a ruck/forward as a junior. We did it with Harry Taylor and Ben Graham, though neither of them really looked natural as key forwards with the exception of Graham's final season at the Cattery in 2004.

It's one of the reasons why two-ruck setups have almost died out - because the old era of resting a ruckman in the forward pocket has gone the way of the dodo. Probably David Hale was the best at it from the modern era.

I think it is a matter of lopsided expectations, I did some percentile comparisons of the different positions a KPF that kicked half a goal a game was equivalent to an inside mid averaging 20 disposals. The latter has the appearance of contributing and will get further opportunities while the former has the perception of being utterly useless and probable de-list bait.

The investment required and opportunity is also quite lopsided, a KPF requires a lot more development then pretty much every position besides ruckmen, and new player is trying to break through a smaller group of more established players, at the mercy of what is happing elsewhere on the ground.

I think the 2 ruckmen set up has been killed by clubs mutually being willing to create a small weakness in their ruck rotations and the increased athleticism of rucks, there isn't too many Mark Blakes going around. To allow for an additional runner, clubs would rather have 80% of the required ruck then 160%, and have KPF take a few forward and defensive 50 stoppages. We occasionally see a two ruckmen set up, against a one ruckmen set up, there are circumstances where it works(it stops a player who is reliant on get their win from outworking their direct opponent) , but usually the two ruckmen provide a sum of a single role and nothing more.

 

[iameviljez]

I think it is a matter of lopsided expectations, I did some percentile comparisons of the different positions a KPF that kicked half a goal a game was equivalent to an inside mid averaging 20 disposals.

I have a sneaking suspicion that your percentiles need a re-jig.

 

[Lana]

I have a sneaking suspicion that your percentiles need a re-jig.

Not at all those were the numbers, a way to visualise it, an inside mid attending 20ish Centre bounces, around 80 around the ground stoppages, is around the ball a lot, competing against other players who are around the ball a lot.

Preview - QF2 Geelong v Port Adelaide Thursday Sept 5 2024 @ AO 7:40 pm

I pray with my heart and soul that the Dogs win should we lose. Only thing better than taking out the flag would be taking the Poo & Wee out on the way through.

www.bigfooty.com

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Wayne Milera hitting free agency. Feels like a marker for the passage of time since the Dangerfield trade.

Another marker on the passage of time since the Dangerfield trade - Troy Menzel has retired from SANFL this year having played 100 games for Centrals and Woodville West Torrens

 

[My Tilly]

Jackson might be worth it but it was madness giving Darcy 7 years on big money partly because of his knees but also bc you don't want to tie that much cash up in 2 rucks.

I agree.
It's already looking similar to the Oliver deal as Darcy is now tied up on huge money and his form is declining.

Certainly not the same player he was 2021-2022 when it looked as though he was about to become one of the premier rucks in the competition

This is a recent photo and it may be obvious why his form has dipped over the past 18 months




Was always a heavy lad (around 108kg) but he'd have to be getting up close to 115kg's at the moment.

 

[sexyhunk]

Almost zero.

Very, very, very few players get "turned into" capable key forwards - it's the position on the ground that is most reliant on natural ability.

Shannon Neale is currently in that process, though he played as a ruck/forward as a junior. We did it with Harry Taylor and Ben Graham, though neither of them really looked natural as key forwards with the exception of Graham's final season at the Cattery in 2004.

It's one of the reasons why two-ruck setups have almost died out - because the old era of resting a ruckman in the forward pocket has gone the way of the dodo. Probably David Hale was the best at it from the modern era.

i reckon from the season just past, tom dekoning does a good job at first ruck and restding playing the extra tall at forward. another reason why i think the offers will come for him end of next year if he has another similar year minus the injury.

 

[iameviljez]

Hence why Jackson is worth the money Fremantle spent on him.
A capable two way bigman yet to hit his prime is what we all hope Neale or De Koning can become.

He's not that capable yet. He can pinch hit, but he goes missing a hell of a lot up forward.

i reckon from the season just past, tom dekoning does a good job at first ruck and restding playing the extra tall at forward. another reason why i think the offers will come for him end of next year if he has another similar year minus the injury.

Honestly, I think the far better solution is to get someone like Shannon Neale or SDK to pinch-hit in the ruck, like Blicavs has.

The second ruckman only spends about 25% of the game in the ruck. Their one-wood really has to be something else.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I agree.
It's already looking similar to the Oliver deal as Darcy is now tied up on huge money and his form is declining.

Certainly not the same player he was 2021-2022 when it looked as though he was about to become one of the premier rucks in the competition

This is a recent photo and it may be obvious why his form has dipped over the past 18 months

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Was always a heavy lad (around 108kg) but he'd have to be getting up close to 115kg's at the moment.

Yeah he's going to need to strip weight to protect those knees or he won't last the 7 years. There is a trend of clubs getting spooked with players coming into their FA year and offering overly long deals. They should have offered 3-4 years and risked him going. They would have got a compo pick around 10 no way they get that now.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

i reckon from the season just past, tom dekoning does a good job at first ruck and restding playing the extra tall at forward. another reason why i think the offers will come for him end of next year if he has another similar year minus the injury.

Given the lack of elite rucks on the market he will get big offers tdk. And he would be a perfect fit for us if Carlton didn't match.

 

[My Tilly]

He's not that capable yet. He can pinch hit, but he goes missing a hell of a lot up forward

He still kicked 21 goals and averaged 16 disposals playing predominantly in ruck.

 

[magic_johnson!]

Gryan miers

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Gryan Miers

Age

25

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

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Fwd

Career

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Last 5

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15.4

4star

K

9.1

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

15.3

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

6.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.2

4star

seems to be over in Ireland according to instagram;

I wonder if he’s going to coincidentally bump into this Cillian Bourke

 

[iameviljez]

He still kicked 21 goals and averaged 16 disposals playing predominantly in ruck.

It was mostly Darcy in the ruck, and he only kicked 3 once, in a 100 point win

 

[My Tilly]

It was mostly Darcy in the ruck

Darcy only played 12 games.

 

[Hinkley29]

I told you pretty early this year that you’d be disappointed post trade period and I was right.


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Congrats?

 

[The rabbi]

Gryan miers seems to be over in Ireland according to instagram;

I wonder if he’s going to coincidentally bump into this Cillian Bourke

RISING Kerry star Cillian Burke is not on the verge of an AFL move — but is set to take time out to travel.
The Milltown/Castlemaine clubman, 22, plans to take a break from inter-county football to go to Australia in September, SunSport understands.
....
And he had been linked with an AFL move to the Geelong Cats.

But instead he is understood to have told boss Jack O’Connor that he plans to travel when his Kerry club championship campaign is over.

Hits keep on coming for Jack O'Connor as rising Kerry star to travel Australia

RISING Kerry star Cillian Burke is not on the verge of an AFL move — but is set to take time out to travel. The Milltown/Castlemaine clubman, 22, plans to take a break from inter-county football to…

www.thesun.ie

 

[sexyhunk]

He's not that capable yet. He can pinch hit, but he goes missing a hell of a lot up forward.


Honestly, I think the far better solution is to get someone like Shannon Neale or SDK to pinch-hit in the ruck, like Blicavs has.

The second ruckman only spends about 25% of the game in the ruck. Their one-wood really has to be something else.

problem with sdk is you want your key backs to be the same week and week out, using him the ruck you need someone to replace him at the back. So what role is this pinch hit key back do when SDK is not at the ruck?

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

Pick 73 we get Crosley. He's got serious physicality in he's game and follow up. He'll be good for 2 years to allow conway to develop.
Pick 45 I'd go hourigan looks like Tom Stewart mark 2, allows more midfield time and 57 go a local falcon boy

 

[cats_09]

Pick 73 we get Crosley. He's got serious physicality in he's game and follow up. He'll be good for 2 years to allow conway to develop.
Pick 45 I'd go hourigan looks like Tom Stewart mark 2, allows more midfield time and 57 go a local falcon boy

Crossley is DFA - don't need to draft him but doubt we'd look at him

He's on the shorter side by modern AFL ruck and will be the one getting bullied by experienced rucks. Plus, not sure he'd currently have the match fitness required for much follow up work

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

Crossley is DFA - don't need to draft him but doubt we'd look at him

He's on the shorter side by modern AFL ruck and will be the one getting bullied by experienced rucks. Plus, not sure he'd currently have the match fitness required for much follow up work

Looks like a mummy ruck to me, clearly the best ruck outside of the afl. He'd make an immediate impact

 

[CatRiot]

I wonder at what stage of the draft we might start trading into the draft, could we get a pick around 28-32 with our F2?

Presumably our F1 would net us a pick around 16-23 range. If it's around 23-24, maybe could land us a pick swap of our F3 for other team's F2 also.

 

[year of the cat]

I wonder at what stage of the draft we might start trading into the draft, could we get a pick around 28-32 with our F2?

Presumably our F1 would net us a pick around 16-23 range. If it's around 23-24, maybe could land us a pick swap of our F3 for other team's F2 also.

If we can trade in our F2 to get Jaques that would be a good result imo.

Use our next 2 picks on talls. 2/3 of Gerreyn, Sims or Stumpf.

Last pick on a mature ager.

That would be my aim if I’m Wells/Mackie.