Rumour GFC 2025 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[FootyLad0]

What if they don't want to keep him and just gotta get him out of the club?

2x of our R1s if JUH can turn it around is a bargain though.

Those selections would likely both land around the 20's with the draft is so compromised these days.

If i'm paying that, i'd want it to be someone who is proven and consistent in an actual position of need.

Rowell or Butters.

 

[D BRIDGE]

If i'm paying that, i'd want it to be someone who is proven and consistent in an actual position of need.

Rowell or Butters.

No doubt we'd give that up in a heartbeat for Rowell/Butters if we had that option.

In the end you can only trade for who wants to come to you.

I'd also prefer Rowell/Butters... and by a long way.

 

[Commando]

JUH is contracted to the WB until 2026, so if any club wants to get him during this year's trade period, they'll need at least two first-round picks, IMO. Bailey was uncontracted, and he would have walked to the draft if the WBs didn't accept the Cat's picks, leaving them with nothing. I just don't think the Catters would have the trade capital to get JUH this year. Rowell is a better opportunity as he is out of contract at the end of this year, and if he wants to come to the Cats (a big IF at this stage) then that is a better position for Geelong to trade with the picks we've got (like with Bailey Smith).

Not necessarily
If the relationship is untenable WB will want his wages off the books so they can land whoever they are chasing

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Not necessarily
If the relationship is untenable WB will want his wages off the books so they can land whoever they are chasing

If it's that untenable then you would want to have done some very solid research into why

 

[MisterMarcus]

What if they don't want to keep him and just gotta get him out of the club?

2x of our R1s if JUH can turn it around is a bargain though.

Those selections would likely both land around the 20's with the draft is so compromised these days.

If it’s got to that level where his issues are so bad, they’d be actively booting him out the door, would we really want him?

 

[Munich]

If it’s got to that level where his issues are so bad, they’d be actively booting him out the door, would we really want him?

I'll never understand this. It's like the Oliver crap all over again.

 

[kcattatac]

If we want JUH, it'll be two first rounders - especially given how shit this draft is looking. There might be a player involved too.

Lots to play out, but I said the other day how Cameron is literally the only player we need to replace long-term. JUH is the perfect candidate - if he gets his shit together.

Regardless of how this year goes, I can't see it being any less than two first rounders to pry him out - given he is under contract. They would just simply say 'we'll keep him and get the same trade value next year then.'

Pick 1 key forwards don't come along often, even if they do have issues - they're worth a lot. He's also the only realistically attainable one, IMO. Rowell, Butters and Reid are all just too high value, and we would need to sell the farm to get them. JUH is at least possible with what we've got now.

As an aside, this is what our side may look like with the addition of JUH, post Cameron, Stewart, Duncan, Stanley, C. Guthrie, Danger, Bews and Blics (minimum 1 AFL game):

B: J. Henry, SDK, Z. Guthrie
HB: L. Humphries, C. O'Sullivan, Bowes
C: Dempsey, Bruhn, Mannagh
FO: Conway, B. Smith, Holmes
HF: O. Henry, JUH, Miers
F: Close, S. Neale, Stengle
INT: Knevitt, O'Connor, J. Clark, Mullin, Clohesy

That's not including any other prospective players on our list, trades, FA or draft picks. Close to rebuild complete.

At present he's worth pick 20 as he may never play again. If he gets back to top flight then 2 first rds is about right

 

[FootyLad0]

If it's that untenable then you would want to have done some very solid research into why

Exactly, there's only soo many risks you can take until you start question, "How untenable is someone if even their own club doesn't want them?"

If i'm paying up with 1st Rounders, it's for someone that i can trust and put faith into to play great consistent footy AND will keep their obligations to the club.

I would never overpay for someone with off field troubles that is in contract.
Those are the guys you call "the cream".

They are the topping to the desert, not the desert itself.

Guys like jez, Danger, Stewy.
They are guys you pay up for.
Who prove it week in and week out and have a good head on their shoulders.

If they are rough around the edges that's ok, but you never overpay or pay up for them.
Wayyy too much risk. Risk has to be worth the reward, i'm sorry but JUH is not someone who i'm overpaying for.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

At present he's worth pick 20 as he may never play again. If he gets back to top flight then 2 first rds is about right

And even if that's not remotely true we need to tell bulldogs fans this repeatedly

 

[kcattatac]

They are actually friends so I think you’re not too sure what you’re talking

They are actually friends so I think you’re not too sure what you’re talking about

Not what I've heard. Baz wanted out of dogs to get away from bad culture

 

[ShadowCat]

I feel like i'm the only one who doesn't want JUH

1. He's in contract, we pretty much never go for people in contract.

2. Doggies will still be pissed about Smith so they'll demand the World for him

3. It doesn't address a weakness, we are stacked up forward...we need BALL WINNING MIDFIELDERS.
We can address Key Forward down the line when Jez starts slowing down. It's not a right now problem, forward line is our strongest position.

If i'm paying up 1st Rounders...it's for two guys Rowell and/or Butters

Also if I'm paying up, i want a consistent proven star. The above two are that. JUH to me is way too inconsistent for the price they'll ask. I'd rather go after Cadman down the line. He and Jez seem pretty close and Jez can convince him of the pros of joining the Cats.

Harley Reid is a pipedream, he'll cost way too much so won't even entertain that.

I'm not a list manager but i know if i was in charge who i'd want.

1A) Rowell

1B) Butters

Imagine a starting midfield delivering this to our forward line.

Ruck: SDK
Rover: Max Holmes
Ruck Rover: Bailey SMith
Centreman: Matt Rowell/Zak Butters

Sorry mate, but respectfully, you've got a lot of this wrong.

1) We've gone after plenty of in contract players. We literally nearly had Oliver join us last year

2) If Doggies are pissed about Smith, but JUH is a complete non-starter for them, 2 first rounders would suffice - as it'll be much better than what we gave them last year, for a similar situation

3) We're not stacked up forward for key forwards. Once Jez is done, it's Neale and then nothing.

4) You'll be paying much more for Rowell and Butters, than an on the nose JUH

5) You say you want a consistent and proven star...but to date JUH has done/achieved much more than Cadman. Cadman hasn't really played that many games, or achieved much of anything. With that said, I partially agree that I would rather Cadman given his upside, connection to Jez, squeaky clean, country boy...but his cost would be much more than JUH again


Key forwards are much more hard to come by, than ball winning mids. We have both Bruhn and Clark developing, alongside Knevitt and Clohesy. None of them may get to an elite level, but we did just acquire an elite level mid last year. There are always plenty of them on the market. Key forwards, however, are the rarest of the rare.

I would like us to acquire another ball-winning mid, but I think our list is in such a state that a priority needs to be given to a key forward - given we've spent the last 3 years mainly focusing on mids.

 

[Munich]

I'd rather go after Noughton than JUH.

 

[FootyLad0]

Sorry mate, but respectfully, you've got a lot of this wrong.

1) We've gone after plenty of in contract players. We literally nearly had Oliver join us last year

2) If Doggies are pissed about Smith, but JUH is a complete non-starter for them, 2 first rounders would suffice - as it'll be much better than what we gave them last year, for a similar situation

3) We're not stacked up forward for key forwards. Once Jez is done, it's Neale and then nothing.

4) You'll be paying much more for Rowell and Butters, than an on the nose JUH

5) You say you want a consistent and proven star...but to date JUH has done/achieved much more than Cadman. Cadman hasn't really played that many games, or achieved much of anything. With that said, I partially agree that I would rather Cadman given his upside, connection to Jez, squeaky clean, country boy...but his cost would be much more than JUH again


Key forwards are much more hard to come by, than ball winning mids. We have both Bruhn and Clark developing, alongside Knevitt and Clohesy. None of them may get to an elite level, but we did just acquire an elite level mid last year. There are always plenty of them on the market. Key forwards, however, are the rarest of the rare.

I would like us to acquire another ball-winning mid, but I think our list is in such a state that a priority needs to be given to a key forward - given we've spent the last 3 years mainly focusing on mids.

That's totally fine you're totally within your rights to disagree.
That's why we have these discussions

I just have 1 follow up question cause i'm genuinely curious
Right now if Trading started today and we have our current squad

Would you pay for a guarantee accepted Trade of

A) Three First Round Picks for Matty Rowell

Or...

B) Two First Round Picks for JUH

You can only do one or the other.

 

[D BRIDGE]

That's totally fine you're totally within your rights to disagree.
That's why we have these discussions

I just have 1 follow up question cause i'm genuinely curious
Right now if Trading started today and we have our current squad

Would you pay for a guarantee accepted Trade of

A) Three First Round Picks for Matty Rowell

Or...

B) Two First Round Picks for JUH

You can only do one or the other.

I'm going 3x for Rowell under those circumstances.

But you rarely get the pick of the litter and can only trade for who wants to get to your club.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

Not necessarily
If the relationship is untenable WB will want his wages off the books so they can land whoever they are chasing

Like I said, even if they want JUH out of the club, they'll still ask a lot for him. This is basically what happened to Clayton Oliver last year. The Dees wanted Oliver out of the club until it was obvious they wouldn't get the picks they wanted for him, and then suddenly, they wanted him to stay and work it out. Yeah, right.

 

[Hinkley29]

I'd rather go after Noughton than JUH.

Not on that contract

 

[Jumping Jack]

JUH has always been a Geelong target. It was well known that the Cats were into him from an early age but we got rolled by the stupid academy rules. JUH made it well known that Geelong was his preference but it was just an unfortunate set of circumstances that killed the chances of it happening.

Fast forward a few years and nothing has changed. JUH and Bailey Smith still stay in very close contact and the club have always stayed close to the JUH camp in case anything changed.

Now all of that does not mean he ends up at Geelong, but that's been his want for a long time. Geelong will be closely monitoring how the situation plays out, but if JUH does not play for the Dogs this season (as most are now suspecting) then it leaves that club in a very vulnerable position - regardless of contract. I think in some respects they'll be burnt by the Bailey Smith outcome last season, but will also want to avoid being seen to hold a player to a contract that he does not want to fulfill, and the accompanying issues around player welfare / mental health etc.

 

[Commando]

Like I said, even if they want JUH out of the club, they'll still ask a lot for him. This is basically what happened to Clayton Oliver last year. The Dees wanted Oliver out of the club until it was obvious they wouldn't get the picks they wanted for him, and then suddenly, they wanted him to stay and work it out. Yeah, right.

I think JUH is a very different scenario to C Oliver
They are also stacked for forwards at WB

Time will tell

 

[Commando]

I'd rather go after Noughton than JUH.

He signed for a million years lol was it 8 or 9?

 

[ShaunWDT]

Not what I've heard. Baz wanted out of dogs to get away from bad culture.

Had nothing to do with Jamarra, they literally have the same player sponsor and hang out in the same groups they are mates lol.

 

[iameviljez]

If it’s got to that level where his issues are so bad, they’d be actively booting him out the door, would we really want him?

I'll never understand this. It's like the Oliver crap all over again.

Yeah, exactly. A number one pick, in the most valuable position in the game, clearly not short of talent, and pushed out of the club that picked him - absolutely not.

 

[Bald]

If it's that untenable then you would want to have done some very solid research into why

I’m going to bob my head up here. One thing the Dogs do very very well is know when to cut ties with players, and in all cases the players don’t burn us.

There are four premiership players that we pushed out the door and none of them went on to do much of anything, they were Dahlhaus, Stringer, Hunter and Cordy.

The club clearly wanted to keep Smith and Dunkley, so whilst it’s convenient not to compare them, they’re not in the same basket as the four above and Jamarra (should it come to that, and hopefully it doesn’t).

 

[Tony Barber]

JUH was drafted to be a midfielder. Think about that. He could slot in anywhere.
He honestly reminds me of buddy. Who I always thought was most damaging up the field (even though he kicked 1000)

Such a shame that he's going through issues. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

 

[D BRIDGE]

JUH was drafted to be a midfielder. Think about that. He could slot in anywhere.
He honestly reminds me of buddy. Who I always thought was most damaging up the field (even though he kicked 1000)

Such a shame that he's going through issues. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

He was drafted as a key forward.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I’m going to bob my head up here. One thing the Dogs do very very well is know when to cut ties with players, and in all cases the players don’t burn us.

There are four premiership players that we pushed out the door and none of them went on to do much of anything, they were Dahlhaus, Stringer, Hunter and Cordy.

The club clearly wanted to keep Smith and Dunkley, so whilst it’s convenient not to compare them, they’re not in the same basket as the four above and Jamarra (should it come to that, and hopefully it doesn’t).

Yeah i guess we'll see from the push back the dogs give. I certainly thought at the time the way the stringer trade panned out the dogs couldn't have played it worse but in retrospect it definitely didn't burn you like i thought it would. I would think they're not mugs over there