Prediction Harry Sheezel - Can he be the GOAT?

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There should be the BigFooty equivalent of a swear jar for every time a Tigers fan brings up Dusty in GOAT discussions.
 

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Find non Tiger supporters agreeing. You wont.

Cats supporters put Matthews in the top 3 or 5. Hawk supporters put GAS in the top 3 or 5.

That is how you know those 2 were that good.
I think it’s pretty crazy that the player with the greatest finals records ever and greatest singular season ever and also is 8th all time total career Brownlow votes isn’t allowed to get a mention.

I also think people don’t understand the difference between greatest (which implies success and achievements) and best. As you mentioned GAS I’ll use him. Is he one of the best players of all time, yep even top 4 by me. However is he one of the greatest when you look at his achievements? I’d honestly struggle to put him in the top 10.

No Flag from 4 GFs, not a legend, 1 B&F, only 3 Coleman’s, No Brownlow (which matters because Lockett has one as a fwd)

Being in the TOC albeit the bench is super impressive and prevents him from dropping below top 15 imo.

I’m not having a go that’s just what it is. I think I’m actually being pretty fair with this but I’m expecting a laughing emoji from Fadge and Cats supporters on here anyway.
 
I think it’s pretty crazy that the player with the greatest finals records ever and greatest singular season ever and also is 8th all time total career Brownlow votes isn’t allowed to get a mention.

I also think people don’t understand the difference between greatest (which implies success and achievements) and best. As you mentioned GAS I’ll use him. Is he one of the best players of all time, yep even top 4 by me. However is he one of the greatest when you look at his achievements? I’d honestly struggle to put him in the top 10.

No Flag from 4 GFs, not a legend, 1 B&F, only 3 Coleman’s, No Brownlow (which matters because Lockett has one as a fwd)

Being in the TOC albeit the bench is super impressive and prevents him from dropping below top 15 imo.

I’m not having a go that’s just what it is. I think I’m actually being pretty fair with this but I’m expecting a laughing emoji from Fadge and Cats supporters on here anyway.

Sam Mitchell has more votes.

Lockett never got to play many finals.

Etc.
 
Sam Mitchell has more votes.

Lockett never got to play many finals.

Etc.
When you look at the overall Resume Mitchell isn’t close and I think he averages less Brownlow votes per game anyway.

Lockett is unlucky with flags and the TOC selection (imo). Hence why he is still my number 2 behind Lethal. He is the only player to win a Coleman and Brownlow in the same year which just something else. I’d say the most difficult achievement in the game.

This of course will change if/when GAJ, Buddy, Dusty become Legend Status.

Sport is unfair, but you look at any sport the GOAT needs to be a “winner” it’s not just about the skill.
 
Don't know about GOAT.
But I already rank him pretty high.
North actually look better than thier results and watching closely yesterday I thought the list looks bright for the future
They'll be fine, much as it pains me to say it. The trick will be if Clarko can really replicate his Hawthorn recipe of success or if he's another successful coach of times past that might not be the best fit anymore.
 
Why?

2024 - Sheez vs Daics
  • More disposals per game
  • More marks per game
  • More tackles per game
  • +13% in DE (Disposal efficiency)
  • +20.5% in KE (Kicking efficiency, Daicos is rated as average and Sheezel is rated as elite in both categories btw)
Daicos beats him in contested possession rate and ground ball gets - but Daicos is only rated as above average in both categories whereas Sheezel is elite in both (due to position)

I think both are out and out stars and in the top 15 players competition wide but I fail to see how you can rate Daicos as substantially better.

Just reminding you as well, Sheezel is 19 this year, the same age Nick was in season one. So that would be a fairer comparison, but I’m not trying to be facetious.
 

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Fadge right now attempting to justify himself
gymnastics fail GIF
 
Why?

2024 - Sheez vs Daics
  • More disposals per game
  • More marks per game
  • More tackles per game
  • +13% in DE (Disposal efficiency)
  • +20.5% in KE (Kicking efficiency, Daicos is rated as average and Sheezel is rated as elite in both categories btw)
Daicos beats him in contested possession rate and ground ball gets - but Daicos is only rated as above average in both categories whereas Sheezel is elite in both (due to position)

I think both are out and out stars and in the top 15 players competition wide but I fail to see how you can rate Daicos as substantially better.

Just reminding you as well, Sheezel is 19 this year, the same age Nick was in season one. So that would be a fairer comparison, but I’m not trying to be facetious.
Very hard to argue against the facts
 
Why?

2024 - Sheez vs Daics
  • More disposals per game
  • More marks per game
  • More tackles per game
  • +13% in DE (Disposal efficiency)
  • +20.5% in KE (Kicking efficiency, Daicos is rated as average and Sheezel is rated as elite in both categories btw)
Daicos beats him in contested possession rate and ground ball gets - but Daicos is only rated as above average in both categories whereas Sheezel is elite in both (due to position)

I think both are out and out stars and in the top 15 players competition wide but I fail to see how you can rate Daicos as substantially better.

Just reminding you as well, Sheezel is 19 this year, the same age Nick was in season one. So that would be a fairer comparison, but I’m not trying to be facetious.
I think I speak for everybody here in that we need a GOAT named Hairy Cheezel.

I don’t even care how much he is factually better than Daicos.
 

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