Has Clarkson 'done his time'?

[BigRedRoo]

Are you suggesting the alleged victims are lying?

There are no "Alleged Victims" only complainants.

Given Brisbane and North have stood firmly by the two coaches and the AFL could find no wrong doing, at the very least the complaints are overstated.
If there was a stick of truth in any of the complaints, both men would have been sacked by their clubs and the AFL would have heavily sanctioned them both.
Given none of this has happened, it strongly suggests the complaints have been embellished.

 

[South of the Yarra]

There are no "Alleged Victims" only complainants.

Given Brisbane and North have stood firmly by the two coaches and the AFL could find no wrong doing, at the very least the complaints are overstated.
If there was a stick of truth in any of the complaints, both men would have been sacked by their clubs and the AFL would have heavily sanctioned them both.
Given none of this has happened, it strongly suggests the complaints have been embellished.

I strongly suggest you are wrong on all accounts. This is going to the Human Rights Commission which will become Fagan and Clarkson’s worst nightmare. The fact you suggest there are no alleged victims shows you value legalistic jargon over the possible actions that have been committed against the alleged victims. The AFL and clubs have done what they always do with matters pertaining to suggested racism against Aboriginal people. They have swept it under the carpet to protect their own interest. Well that is all about to change and the clubs will wish they had dealt with it properly. The Aboriginal and other alleged victims in this have not been considered at any stage by many.

 

[bzparkes]

The alleged victims have every right to get the Hunan Rights Commission involved. Are you suggesting the alleged victims are ‘dumb’?

Is the HRC expected to look at every case of alleged workplace bullying? What next, Supreme Court??

Fair Work would be a far better starting point.

 

[Freomaniac]

I’ve never been a big fan of second wind coaches coming in and attempting to be the messiah for a long suffering club.

Spose it worked for Matthews and Malthouse (the latter a third time it was disastrous), but I can’t think of too many others that have been a roaring success.

Ron Barrassi at North Melbourne worked well. Got North Melbourne to grand finals from 1974-78.

Not bad considering his previous coaching stint got Carlton to flags in 1968, 1970 and 1972

 

[Freomaniac]

Well the bloke is innocent until proven guilty

 

[BigRedRoo]

I strongly suggest you are wrong on all accounts. This is going to the Human Rights Commission which will become Fagan and Clarkson’s worst nightmare. The fact you suggest there are no alleged victims shows you value legalistic jargon over the possible actions that have been committed against the alleged victims. The AFL and clubs have done what they always do with matters pertaining to suggested racism against Aboriginal people. They have swept it under the carpet to protect their own interest. Well that is all about to change and the clubs will wish they had dealt with it properly. The Aboriginal and other alleged victims in this have not been considered at any stage by many.

I don't use legalistic jargon, rather correct language.
Its you by labelling everyone Victims that seeks to inject emotion, usually seen as a tactic used by those with weak arguments.
The HCR will provide you little in way of resolution, it can only force mediation, its can't enforce outcomes.
If or should I say when the complaints version of the truth is challenged, the HCR will not be able to resolve this issue.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Is the HRC expected to look at every case of alleged workplace bullying? What next, Supreme Court??

Fair Work would be a far better starting point.

Keep pushing the the narrative of work place bullying and you may even believe it yourself. It is a clear case of alleged racism and that is why it is going to Human Rights

 

[South of the Yarra]

I don't use legalistic jargon, rather correct language.
Its you by labelling everyone Victims that seeks to inject emotion, usually seen as a tactic used by those with weak arguments.
The HCR will provide you little in way of resolution, it can only force mediation, its can't enforce outcomes.
If or should I say when the complaints version of the truth is challenged, the HCR will not be able to resolve this issue.

Incorrect. The correct language to use for an alleged case of racism world be ‘victim of racism’. Unlike yourself I do not see it as an argument. The fact you see it as an argument highlights the appalling attitudes towards this situation. I see it as a really sad blight on our society that young Aboriginal players cannot be heard without preconceived ideas of prejudice and stereotyping. The weight of power always goes to those in control. It has happened to Aboriginal people for over 200 years. Yes, I know how the Human Rights Commission works as I have dealt with them many times. You truly don’t know what is coming. This is going to the courts where justice will prevail.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I love it when embarrassing rubbish like you screech wrongdoing without even a shred of evidence. Laughably unintelligent.

Either Clarkson has done something extremely wrong, or his accusers have made all of this up, in which case his accusers have done something very wrong. By protesting Clarkson's innocence you're accusing someone of wrongdoing just as much as I am.

 

[South of the Yarra]

I love it when embarrassing rubbish like you screech wrongdoing without even a shred of evidence. Laughably unintelligent.

Laughingly embarrassing is when people continue to brush the word of alleged victims of racism under the table without taking time to listen, learn and avoid the usual stereotyping that follows.

 

[bzparkes]

Keep pushing the the narrative of work place bullying and you may even believe it yourself. It is a clear case of alleged racism and that is why it is going to Human Rights

Doesn't the report allege that not only first-nations people were alleged to have been bullied? One of the first-nations people wasn't even indigenous to Australia, they had a grandparent who was Maori, or something along those lines.

If a number of people allegedly received the same treatment, especially ones who weren't indigenous/POC, then the complainants weren't discriminated on because of their race, regardless of what they believe.

 

[Rich01]

Ron Barrassi at North Melbourne worked well. Got North Melbourne to grand finals from 1974-78.

Not bad considering his previous coaching stint got Carlton to flags in 1968, 1970 and 1972

Yep, great example. But three coaches in 50 years is pretty small in the scheme of things.

 

[Conception]

Either Clarkson has done something extremely wrong, or his accusers have made all of this up, in which case his accusers have done something very wrong. By protesting Clarkson's innocence you're accusing someone of wrongdoing just as much as I am.

I'm not protesting anyone's innocence you low-IQ numpty. I was calling you out for idiotically attacking Clarkson for "not showing remorse" when you're just a dumb Bigfooty poster who doesn't know anything.

 

[Conception]

Laughingly embarrassing is when people continue to brush the word of alleged victims of racism under the table without taking time to listen, learn and avoid the usual stereotyping that follows.

And yet numpties like you refuse to take your own advice for the opposing parties. People like you are always looking to believe one thing only, because it's in your nature to seek blood, regardless of what the facts might be.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Doesn't the report allege that not only first-nations people were alleged to have been bullied? One of the first-nations people wasn't even indigenous to Australia, they had a grandparent who was Maori, or something along those lines.

If a number of people allegedly received the same treatment, especially ones who weren't indigenous/POC, then the complainants weren't discriminated on because of their race, regardless of what they believe.

Hahahahaha, what the ****?

"I can't be racist, I discriminate against Aboriginals and Māoris equally!"

 

[Conception]

Hahahahaha, what the *?

"I can't be racist, I discriminate against Aboriginals and Māoris equally!"

Thank you for continuing to double down on your lack of intelligence.

 

[bzparkes]

Hahahahaha, what the *?

"I can't be racist, I discriminate against Aboriginals and Māoris equally!"

What about the white people in the allegations, or don't they count because you're a closet racist?

 

[Shane Heard]

Threatening to get the HRC involved for alleged workplace bullying is degrees of dumb s**t beyond imagining...

It seems all other avenues for the “victims “ are exhausted with no law firm in Australia willing to get involved and sue the AFL..so perhaps the human rights commission is their last option.

Why would any professional footballer claim there was a direct suggestion by coaches that the players girlfriend should get an abortion? I find it hard to believe you would blatantly lie about something so disturbing as that.

Either way ..I don’t really give a toss what happens. My money is on it all getting swept under the carpet with a NDA and cash payments.

 

[bzparkes]

It seems all other avenues for the “victims “ are exhausted with no law firm in Australia willing to get involved and sue the AFL..so perhaps the human rights commission is their last option.

Why would any professional footballer claim there was a direct suggestion by coaches that the players girlfriend should get an abortion? I find it hard to believe you would lie about something so disturbing as that.

Is it a 'racist' suggestion, or just a shitty one?

Is there any proof of said statement?

Burden of proof is on the claimants, not the defendants, after all.

Victims should be listened to but let's not hang the people they're accusing until said claims are proven.

Seems a lot of people have made up their mind already from choosing to believe words over proof.

Maybe these things really did happen but the entire justice system would collapse if those making a determination decided to make a decision favourable to an accuser, despite having no evidence.

The system sucks as it is...

 

[Shane Heard]

Is it a 'racist' suggestion, or just a shitty one?

Is there any proof of said statement?

Burden of proof is on the claimants, not the defendants, after all.

Victims should be listened to but let's not hang the people they're accusing until said claims are proven.

Seems a lot of people have made up their mind already from choosing to believe words over proof.

Maybe these things really did happen but the entire justice system would collapse if those making a determination decided to make a decision favourable to an accuser, despite having no evidence.

The system sucks as it is...

Is there any proof of said statement?

Good question.

Because normally you’d end up in a court of law and lawyers would argue the facts and a judge would decide if the allegations or statements were true or not true.

There must be a reason The Rioli’s and associates haven’t got a law firm suing the League and HFC.

It’s all a bit mysterious.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Thank you for continuing to double down on your lack of intelligence.

Contributing nothing except posting how dumb you think the other side is doesn't actually make you smart or right, my dude.

What about the white people in the allegations, or don't they count because you're a closet racist?

Which white people are in the allegations?

 

[bzparkes]

Is there any proof of said statement?

Good question.

Because normally you’d end up in a court of law and lawyers would argue the facts and a judge would decide if the allegations or statements were true or not true.

There must be a reason The Rioli’s and associates haven’t got a law firm suing the League and HFC.

It’s all a bit mysterious.

Well it is a bit odd.

Look, I get the offence over Kennett's comments to Rioli's wife regarding her jeans but that's not racist, not that I've heard them claiming as such either though.

Racism would be literally discriminating/demeaning people because of their race itself, which I'm not sure these accusations actually are.

They definitely sound like terrible things to subject people to, that much is clear. I'm not entirely convinced that it's inherently racist though.

 

[bzparkes]

Which white people are in the allegations?

Read them, or all the associated claims?

 

[r_boy]

I think Clarkson has done his time, like North Melbourne has done their time in deserving a priority pick

 

[South of the Yarra]

And yet numpties like you refuse to take your own advice for the opposing parties. People like you are always looking to believe one thing only, because it's in your nature to seek blood, regardless of what the facts might be.

Yet again you could not be more wrong. I want justice whatever that is is but the clubs and AFL were never going to make it fair. You could not be wrong about me. I have more reason to want blood and to hate then anyone but I don’t. I don’t even hate those from the past. I just want peace and calm. I have never wanted blood but I do want the continued injustice against Aboriginal people to stop and I want the horrendous gap in health, life expectancy and education to close. I am also concerned about an adult who uses the word ‘numpties’.