List Mgmt. Has the list management done a good job?

[Mostyn]

Not really. We’re 7 years into a rebuilding and still bottom 4.

We almost made finals on the back of a 34 year old’s last hurrah, when it should be off the back of our new upcoming talent.

We traded well with Rankine and Dawson, but who have we drafted that can give you confidence in our future?

Thilthorpe, Rachele and Soligo have shown glimpses… but they haven’t consistently taken their game to the level to take over the mantle.

Who is our Butters, Rozee, JHF? Not who is going to be, but who currently is putting up the regular performances these guys are?

The fact that we’re counting Curtin as a ‘pass’ when he’s played the equivalent of 3 games, and mediocre stats, should tell you we’re grasping at straws.

I don’t know if it’s drafting or development, but our best players are either traded in or guys about to retire. It’s a concern.

We're not seven years in.

We started the rebuild after the 2019 season.

 

[Mostyn]

his step dad was made a scapegoat actually and port had to give him a risky contract at the time 600k for 6 years, not something reid was prepared to do till recently and not a contract you'd expect port to give if he was a sure thing to go to them, but in terms of the last 5 years i think that trade was the one that would have changed our projectory

Trajectory.

But other than that error, it was actually a good ... Oh wait, no, this is actually a remarkably dumb opinion.

Horne Francis was absolutely never coming here. He even bullshitted North into thinking he wanted to go there so they wouldn't trade their pick to us.

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

He even bullshitted North into thinking he wanted to go there so they wouldn't trade their pick to us.

if that's your logic no need to go any further with that angle

 

[Mostyn]

if that's your logic no need to go any further with that angle

That was a joke (though he did plant photos of himself sleeping in a North guernsey to get the fans onside), and even then it wasn't as ludicrous as what you'd posted.

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

That was a joke (though he did plant photos of himself sleeping in a North guernsey to get the fans onside), and even then it wasn't as ludicrous as what you'd posted.

oh okay I didn't realise it was a joke () and ultimately no one knows what the chances were

but i'd have more confidence we did everything we could if we'd had shown a strategy regarding going for a genuine mid or if we didn't have a long history of being inflexible with our wage structure

i think the mostly they're happy to get back up the ladder and take the pressure off

 

[Cleric]

his step dad was made a scapegoat actually and port had to give him a risky contract at the time 600k for 6 years, not something reid was prepared to do till recently and not a contract you'd expect port to give if he was a sure thing to go to them, but in terms of the last 5 years i think that trade was the one that would have changed our projectory

He was always going to Port if he had the choice of both.
JHF is one of the lowest risk mid draftees I have seen, I would be offering him a 6 year deal tomorrow.

 

[Jarman Binks]

Do you think the clubs list managers have done a good job over the last 5 or 6 years?

No.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Errors get carried down the line

List management can be good for years without righting the ship.

Seniors we invested heavily in years ago now struggling to produce consistent high quality football kills you. Those players are soaking up big dollars, aren't providing the output you'd hoped and also aren't the steadying leaders you need to develop youngsters alongside.

Added to that, games wasted on Jones, McHenry, Rowe, Hately, Himmelberg, Gollant, Schoenberg etc sets us back further. Maybe Berry has joined that list? Cook?

Takes us a long time to work out they aren't up to it then have to start over with draftees. Other players on the list aren't as advanced as they could be because we've given opportunities to the group above in preference (Worrell, Dowling, Taylor).

It's difficult for us to move the list forward as the gains are being undone by selection / coaching / drafting / development / recruitment errors. Like trying to fill a sieve with sand.

In your wasted games line you somehow forgot Murphy!

 

[GreyCrow]

In your wasted games line you somehow forgot Murphy!

Collingwood supporters will do that

 

[119others]

That was a joke (though he did plant photos of himself sleeping in a North guernsey to get the fans onside), and even then it wasn't as ludicrous as what you'd posted.

mate, before wasting a moment communicating with this guy he almost certainly is a Power troll. Others have called this out in his postings (yourself amongst others) and has NEVER said one positive thing about our club (Crows breaking Carey thru over-training, not trading up to get Pav, overpaying for Rankine with pick 5 and him already breaking down after 1.5 games as a mid, Reidy cocking up EVERYTHING he does, Henderson being AA after leaving the Crows, not getting pick 5 for Mc Govern when he left us. Its just total crap). And then the platitudes towards the Power are sickening. JUST BE AWARE BEFORE wasting time. I am off BF for a few days in case I get a 'Day Off' for highlighting this but this forum has to know this person is not legit - probably Rooch


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What do you think you saw, because it certainly wasn't a full time midfielder!

noo i never really commented on how good or not he was, just we paid a midfielders price for a guy that wasnt on track to be a mid when we traded for him and likely won't ever become one

the point was without a midfield to win the ball a hff becomes redundant as we saw tonight that's why paying a midfielders price for rankine was a desperate move. anyway I repeated the point a lot so I'll leave it at that!

well he played about 1.5 games in the midfield before breaking down with a chronic injury.. and we're sitting near the bottom of the ladder because we don't have a premium mid. if one of butters, rozee or jhf turn up this week we lose as simple as that

at the time of the trade he wasn't on track to be a midfielder and this year has probably reinforced that perception! we paid a premium midfielders price for him

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my theory is they do it deliberately, they want to bring crows fans a small joy while we have incompetent leadership like justin reid around the joint.

 

[GreyCrow]

tl;dr

 

[skam85]

That was a joke (though he did plant photos of himself sleeping in a North guernsey to get the fans onside), and even then it wasn't as ludicrous as what you'd posted.

No need to be a patronising prick.

 

[119others]

tl;dr

to summarise - McLeod at 50 lines it up:

• has never said one positive or balancced thing about the Crows
• Often gets facts wrong to make us look worse than we are (Henderson became AA at Hawks)
• makes up lots of shit (Crows could have traded up for Pick 4 for Pav when that wasnt an option back then)
• constant talking up Power - rebuilding getting MG and Marshall without falling down ladder, JHF (understating what they paid and his salary) and they have better youngsters

Dont bother reading any of his stuff but I am 100% convinced he is a Power troll and others have called him out previously before he then goes quiet before starting again

 

[119others]

No need to be a patronising prick.

mate if you understand you are actually chatting with a Power troll perhaps it puts things in a different light

Anyway, I am outta here for a couple of days, enjoy

 

[skam85]

 

[GreyCrow]

to summarise - McLeod at 50 lines it up:

• has never said one positive or balancced thing about the Crows
• Often gets facts wrong to make us look worse than we are (Henderson became AA at Hawks)
• makes up lots of shit (Crows could have traded up for Pick 4 for Pav when that wasnt an option back then)
• constant talking up Power - rebuilding getting MG and Marshall without falling down ladder, JHF (understating what they paid and his salary) and they have better youngsters

Dont bother reading any of his stuff but I am 100% convinced he is a Power troll and others have called him out previously before he then goes quiet before starting again

More the formatting of it

 

[119others]

More the formatting of it

yeah sorry was ugly copying and pasting but now hopefully fixed

 

[Crom1995]

Not really. We’re 7 years into a rebuilding and still bottom 4.

We almost made finals on the back of a 34 year old’s last hurrah, when it should be off the back of our new upcoming talent.

We traded well with Rankine and Dawson, but who have we drafted that can give you confidence in our future?

Thilthorpe, Rachele and Soligo have shown glimpses… but they haven’t consistently taken their game to the level to take over the mantle.

Who is our Butters, Rozee, JHF? Not who is going to be, but who currently is putting up the regular performances these guys are?

The fact that we’re counting Curtin as a ‘pass’ when he’s played the equivalent of 3 games, and mediocre stats, should tell you we’re grasping at straws.

I don’t know if it’s drafting or development, but our best players are either traded in or guys about to retire. It’s a concern.

Butters, Rozee have played an extra 50 games on Thilthorpe, Rachele and Soligo. Not sure those two were world beaters after their first 50 games. They've also had the luxury of coming into a side that has more or less been competitive since they were drafted. JHF obviously has played some impressive footy but has also been awful in others, like when he didn't touch the ball in a half against GC and cost them the win with his discipline. No point comparing our list to Port because our list is much younger than there's.

 

[jamesclean]

jesus christ

 

[rabidcrow]

His old man worked at Port, he played for Port, and hated the Crows. Jason literally changed his last name to add Francis to it. Fabian was the one who was in charge of where he was going, and that was Port all day. The only chance the Crows had was to draft him, and they did everything to try and get the pick from North.

Which is why North were so filthy when they worked out he lied to them - that he wanted to go to Melbourne. He was jus trying to ensure they didn’t trade his pick to Adelaide as he would hardly be able to live in the state if he defected from us to the.


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