Analysis Hawks 2022 Hypothetical trades (read the pinned post)

[Strapping Young Lad]

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Kane Cornes

Age

42

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183cm

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78kg

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Mid

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Last 5

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23.5

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12.5

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11.0

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5.2

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3.3

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2.6

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13.0

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7.6

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5.4

4star

M

3.0

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1.2

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[TheFourPillars]

I think we would take 6 and 7 to the draft unless we upgrade 6 or 7 we will want 2 and 7 not 2 and 13 in that situation we would keep 6 and 7

 

[Topiary]

Seeing as we are in the Hypothetical trades thread...

After the last couple of days, the news about the Suns has cheered me up. Bowes and pick 7… in the words of a certain illustrious caller, delicious! I’d love for us to get it done, maybe our future 2nd does it. Magnificent if it does. The Suns salary dump trade I said the other day was with Bowes, 25 and 31 for our future 2nd. Those two would equate to around pick 10 or so on points. Bowes and 7 isn’t too far above on worth. His salary is heavily back ended apparently which evens it back out. But that won’t worry us, we have cap to burn. This trade isn't too far removed from the Brodie trade. Suns receive a bit less points value in pick, but Hawks take on more salary dump.

Then if Mitchell goes, we likely get about a mid 2nd. Or maybe picks to that effect? Actually, that could work with lower picks that have a higher value too. Either way we could trade them along with our later picks to the Lions for 15. Because let’s face it... if we have 6, 7, and 24, at most we need one more pick. I wouldn’t think we go with more than four live picks if we bring in Amon and Bowes, possibly Meek too. So we hopefully move on what we get for Titch and our 3rd and 4th, for 15 from the Lions...

Amon, Bowes, and Meek then 6, 7, 15, 24 in the draft. Four picks under 25 (probably under 28 after f/s bids, but still). Three players that make us better. This will make me a happy Hawk.

And the amazing thing is that all that actually isn’t that fanciful. Those trades could easily happen with the the Suns offering pick 7, and the Lions wanting points. If it all happened, it could end up to be one of our best trade periods ever. Not only that… the best part is that all it costs us is Titch, our future 2nd, and some picks we wouldn’t use anyway. That’s absolutely mind blowing.

Very good post.

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

I don't know how sure GCS are of taking the KPD at pick five. They may, as it's an area of need, but you can't guarantee it. To mitigate the risk that they don't then IMO we could try and do the deal for:

5 + 7 + Bowes
For
6 + 25 and a future pick

Those picks would get pushed back, but regardless we'd still guarantee ourselves one of - Wardlaw, Tsatas, Sheezel, Mackenzie or Cadman.

Plus we'd be able to get someone like Clark, Phillipou, Humphrey, etc with the second first rounder.

Love the idea of getting 5 (Tsatas or Mackenzie) and 7 (Phillipou, Clark, Hewitt or Humphrey). Midfield rebuild in just over a year! Not sure GC need our 2nd this year. Maybe our 2023 2nd and 3rd’s plus one of our young players like Jeka.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

The bowes + pick 7 thing sounds too good to be true.

There will be a raft of clubs with salary cap space looking to benefit, which gives GC the option to play the field a little bit and get more than loose change in return.

 

[HawthornHawk]

The bowes + pick 7 thing sounds too good to be true.

There will be a raft of clubs with salary cap space looking to benefit, which gives GC the option to play the field a little bit and get more than loose change in return.

Will come down to Bowes preference though won't it? He's contracted and doesn't have to go anywhere other than his preferred destination.

 

[perrdan86]

I don't know how sure GCS are of taking the KPD at pick five. They may, as it's an area of need, but you can't guarantee it. To mitigate the risk that they don't then IMO we could try and do the deal for:

5 + 7 + Bowes
For
6 + 25 and a future pick

Those picks would get pushed back, but regardless we'd still guarantee ourselves one of - Wardlaw, Tsatas, Sheezel, Mackenzie or Cadman.

Plus we'd be able to get someone like Clark, Phillipou, Humphrey, etc with the second first rounder.

I like this.

 

[wahawk]

Omg who carrrrrres

Haha. Are you whinging about me whinging ?

Clearly you care enough to put your 2 bobs worth in

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

The bowes + pick 7 thing sounds too good to be true.

There will be a raft of clubs with salary cap space looking to benefit, which gives GC the option to play the field a little bit and get more than loose change in return.

I reckon they would want picks for next year for their academy players and a good young player that comes cheap and fills a need. Convincing Bowes to come to us will play a big part too. If Titch leaves we will have plenty of cap space and a greater opportunity for him to play significant midfield minutes which other clubs can’t promise.

 

[Gut Runner]

What do the Pies give us for Mitchell?

Is 40 enough if we are paying salary?

 

[perrdan86]

What do the Pies give us for Mitchell?

Is 40 enough if we are paying salary?

Not for me if we are paying salary

 

[RX Hawk]

Will come down to Bowes preference though won't it? He's contracted and doesn't have to go anywhere other than his preferred destination.

This is why for this to happen that someone in our club (players or recruiting staff) need to convince Bowes that his best future is with us.

 

[HappyHawk_1]

If we did manage to snag 5 & 7, the midfield mix next year would look something like (assuming Titch is traded):
Newc, Ward, Moore, O’Meara, Day, Amon, MaGinness, Morrison, Worpel, Nash, MacDonald, Butler,
+ MacKenzie/Tsatas, Phillipou/Humphrey

Hawks… make it happen. There are many there that could become A graders.

 

[Dewnior]

I think we would take 6 and 7 to the draft unless we upgrade 6 or 7 we will want 2 and 7 not 2 and 13 in that situation we would keep 6 and 7

So if Eagles offered 2+13 for 6+7 you think the club would say no?

 

[FuzwaldQO]

To distill my previous post...

1. Suns give us Bowes and 7. We give them our future 2nd (we won't use it anyway, will be eaten by a McCabe pick).

2. Trade Titch for a 2nd round pick or later picks for more points.

3. Trade our 3rd and 4th picks plus the picks from Titch to Lions for pick 15. Keep something to get Meek.

End up with:
6, 7, 15, 24. Plus Amon, Bowes and Meek.

Not sure how much better you want it tbh. Three 1sts, a high 2nd, and three good players. Easy trades to do, high probability of success.

Possibility of another pick for Gunston too that can add value to the Lions trade or the Meek trade if needed.

 

[CoagVex]

So if Eagles offered 2+13 for 6+7 you think the club would say no?

A+ plus B- versus 2 x A- or (A plus A-)

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Bowe + pick 7 for a future second?

Sure there's a salary dump involved but this is insane

 

[Topiary]

To distill my previous post...

1. Suns give us Bowes and 7. We give them our future 2nd (we won't use it anyway, will be eaten by a McCabe pick).

2. Trade Titch for a 2nd round pick or later picks for more points.

3. Trade our 3rd and 4th picks plus the picks from Titch to Lions for pick 15. Keep something to get Meek.

End up with:
6, 7, 15, 24. Plus Amon, Bowes and Meek.

Not sure how much better you want it tbh. Three 1sts, a high 2nd, and three good players. Easy trades to do, high probability of success.

Possibility of another pick for Gunston too that can add value to the Lions trade or the Meek trade if needed.

Hopefully you can forget any Gunston action.

It is too good to be true.

You would expect GC will want more, as they have said in negotiations but I am told we can accomodate.

 

[hawkmang]

Hopefully you can forget any Gunston action.

It is too good to be true.

You would expect GC will want more, as they have said in negotiations but I am told we can accomodate.

Tops, any idea if we have had any discussions with Bowes yet? Any indication of interest from him?

 

[Teamwork Talks]

To distill my previous post...

1. Suns give us Bowes and 7. We give them our future 2nd (we won't use it anyway, will be eaten by a McCabe pick).

2. Trade Titch for a 2nd round pick or later picks for more points.

3. Trade our 3rd and 4th picks plus the picks from Titch to Lions for pick 15. Keep something to get Meek.

End up with:
6, 7, 15, 24. Plus Amon, Bowes and Meek.

Not sure how much better you want it tbh. Three 1sts, a high 2nd, and three good players. Easy trades to do, high probability of success.

Possibility of another pick for Gunston too that can add value to the Lions trade or the Meek trade if needed.

If that happens we transform the whole list and transform the club with it.
Brilliant move.

 

[mustang]

If we got 7 and a player of GC for a salary dump of is it to greedy to then go to GWS and see if we can get there first pick also and a player I think tops brought this up. If not him then another poster.

 

[HappyHawk_1]

If we got 7 and a player of GC for a salary dump of is it to greedy to then go to GWS and see if we can get there first pick also and a player I think tops brought this up. If not him then another poster.

Given GWS will have a stack of picks, I think they’re probably more likely to trade up than trade down?

 

[HawksILove]

Tops, any idea if we have had any discussions with Bowes yet? Any indication of interest from him?

same

 

[cryptor]

If we got 7 and a player of GC for a salary dump of is it to greedy to then go to GWS and see if we can get there first pick also and a player I think tops brought this up. If not him then another poster.

I'm in, even if only to get Kane Cornes calling for an AFL investigation into our trading again.

 

[TheFourPillars]

So if Eagles offered 2+13 for 6+7 you think the club would say no?

I would

 

[Dewnior]

A+ plus B- versus 2 x A- or (A plus A-)

Pick 13 would be a B+ (not B-) so it would be
A+ plus B+ versus 2 x A- or (A plus A-)