News Hawthorn player questioned over sexual assault allegation - No Names, etc; UPDATED: cleared (9/5/16)

[Gralin]

Yes he would, how else do you think he gained so much weight..

Are you suggesting the thing meatloaf wouldn't do for love is exercise?

 

[LuvMyHawks]

And did he not want to punch on with the the other guys if she told him her story???

The article also said she was injured! I have no idea what happened, what to believe, who did what? Time will tell, no doubt.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

And did he not want to punch on with the the other guys if she told him her story???

Plenty of people in the world don't autmomatically jump to 'I'm gonna bash you/them/inanimate object' when bad things happen. I'm an insanely angry person - but the posts I've seen on here where violence is apparently the first reaction you'd go to is baffling and scary. No wonder so many young blokes are dying because of punches that have gone wrong.

 

[Samthegun]

Can we at least spell "assault" correctly in the thread title?

Here's a salt shaker for you...

 

[macdaddio]

Plenty of people in the world don't autmomatically jump to 'I'm gonna bash you/them/inanimate object' when bad things happen. I'm an insanely angry person - but the posts I've seen on here where violence is apparently the first reaction you'd go to is baffling and scary. No wonder so many young blokes are dying because of punches that have gone wrong.

No don't get me wrong I'm dead set against fights and punch ups and far from an angry person..
BUT... If his GF was what she claimed happened wouldn't he just feel some kind of anger towards the guys

 

[FreeAgent1]

Triple like. Impossible job

You guys (mods) have done an amazing job, I mean the names are out there, but BF threads have managed to maintain more integrity than some newspapers.... I send my support to all involved, extremely delicate situation, especially with the players potentially to be treated as guilty until conclusively proven innocent.

 

[Pessimistic]

That's what boyfriends do.

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He may have got his threepeat merch signed while he was at it

 

[Thaihawk]

Meatloaf begs to differ

Don't you mean Percy Sledge?

 

[PNess]

Yes, even though we have an implied freedom of speech in Australia, and for that matter an implied freedom of expression, this doesn't mean people can say whatever they want. There are still laws to protect others from what we say in certain circumstances.

By posting, we are addressing "the world at large" and hence open ourselves up to things such as defamation, contempt of court etc.

These are easy to avoid with just a little knowledge and common sense. Naming players in this instance is showing very little common sense if wanting to stay within the boundaries- particularly if the information is wrong.

Australia has some of the worst freedom of speech laws in the western world.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/opini...n-media-freedom/2005/10/24/1130006058337.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_sedition_law
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-...-for-exposing-security-agency-bungles/5776504

Sadly, the way the Herald Sun and other media outlets distort the truth to create a sensational headline there would be less public outrage if their freedoms were even further restricted.

Sorry, slight tangent.

 

[Hawks89898989]

I was reading other clubs threads and it was sad to see that names are still being thrown around

wheres the respect for the players, club, supporters and the alleged victim

 

[Strattonsphere]

I'm hating not knowing who's involved but I know it's none of my business.. But for those who do know, worst case scenario, does it hurt us bad next year?

 

[Lethality]

I'm hating not knowing who's involved but I know it's none of my business.. But for those who do know, worst case scenario, does it hurt us bad next year?

No, it won't hurt us except for depth.

 

[Gralin]

People have already been taken to court in this country for things they have posted on forums or social media, just for extra laughs it doesn't even matter if what you are saying is true under some circumstances with the way our laws work.
Mods are protecting stupid people on this forum as well by keeping the threads clean.

 

[bigton08]

I'm hating not knowing who's involved but I know it's none of my business.. But for those who do know, worst case scenario, does it hurt us bad next year?

To be honest the two I'm aware of I couldn't give a toss about... If they go they go I just want some normality back.. Let's rebuild some respect for us again by coming out next year and winning against the odds... That's what this club does best.. Backs to the wall stuff.. Whoever goes if they do can take their s$&t elsewhere.

 

[MistyAvalon]

Plenty of people in the world don't autmomatically jump to 'I'm gonna bash you/them/inanimate object' when bad things happen. I'm an insanely angry person - but the posts I've seen on here where violence is apparently the first reaction you'd go to is baffling and scary. No wonder so many young blokes are dying because of punches that have gone wrong.

you have got it right again!

 

[tige19]

No don't get me wrong I'm dead set against fights and punch ups and far from an angry person..
BUT... If his GF was what she claimed happened wouldn't he just feel some kind of anger towards the guys

100%... As bad as it sounds I would have been on the phone to some 'knock about' characters I'm close with and the footballers would intimately know they've stuffed up. Sometimes in life the moral high ground doesn't work, the world isn't all rainbows and fairy dust! Sad but true.

 

[tige19]

To be honest the two I'm aware of I couldn't give a toss about... If they go they go I just want some normality back.. Let's rebuild some respect for us again by coming out next year and winning against the odds... That's what this club does best.. Backs to the wall stuff.. Whoever goes if they do can take their s$&t elsewhere.

Very true, we win flags and we do it often in testing times.. Clarko has a way to galvanise the group.

Some advice - don't be throwing the baby out with the bath water just yet, the players aren't ye charged and for all we know they could be insanely innocent and caught up in the most unfortunate situation. Save judgement until we get a full run down and make sure you support players if they're cleared.

 

[Clarkos_Soldier]

Yes, even though we have an implied freedom of speech in Australia, and for that matter an implied freedom of expression, this doesn't mean people can say whatever they want. There are still laws to protect others from what we say in certain circumstances.

By posting, we are addressing "the world at large" and hence open ourselves up to things such as defamation, contempt of court etc.

These are easy to avoid with just a little knowledge and common sense. Naming players in this instance is showing very little common sense if wanting to stay within the boundaries- particularly if the information is wrong.

That's not correct buddy. We have what's called an 'implied freedom of political communication'. That is, because we are a representative democracy we have an implied right to discuss political issues and candidates to make an informed choice. We have no freedom of speech or expression in our constitution. As for the constitutions of states and territories and their associated bills of rights, they are just statute and can be changed and dont trump the federal laws. Here is some more info:

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam...s/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/RP9697/97rp10

 

[Porkmason]

100%... As bad as it sounds I would have been on the phone to some 'knock about' characters I'm close with and the footballers would intimately know they've stuffed up. Sometimes in life the moral high ground doesn't work, the world isn't all rainbows and fairy dust! Sad but true.

So much testosterone and bravado running rampant around here. None of us really know how we'll react in a high stress situation until we're actually in it, and just to bring things back down to Earth a bit: We don't know what happened yet. So please, stop pretending you'd be some boyfriend superhero with shady mates who would fix possible scenario A.

 

[Hong Kong Hawk]

That's not correct buddy. We have what's called an 'implied freedom of political communication'. That is, because we are a representative democracy we have an implied right to discuss political issues and candidates to make an informed choice. We have no freedom of speech or expression in our constitution. As for the constitutions of states and territories and their associated bills of rights, they are just statute and can be changed and dont trump the federal laws. Here is some more info:

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam...s/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/RP9697/97rp10

Correct - never said it was in the constitution hence "implied". The terminology "political expression" is new to me, so appreciate the correction. One thing irrefutable- it is limited hence the reference to defamation.

 

[Dr_Mutley]

I'm hating not knowing who's involved but I know it's none of my business.. But for those who do know, worst case scenario, does it hurt us bad next year?

Not in the slightest...

 

[tige19]

So much testosterone and bravado running rampant around here. None of us really know how we'll react in a high stress situation until we're actually in it, and just to bring things back down to Earth a bit: We don't know what happened yet. So please, stop pretending you'd be some boyfriend superhero with shady mates who would fix possible scenario A.

I know exactly how I'd react if my fiancée was rapped, call it testosterone/bravado or whatever you want l couldn't give a toss. Dont try and guess how I or anyone else would react, it's a highly inflammable situation and no way is the right way.

 

[harrislp]

I know exactly how I'd react if my fiancée was r*ped, call it testosterone/bravado or whatever you want l couldn't give a toss. Dont try and guess how I or anyone else would react, it's a highly inflammable situation and no way is the right way.

Agreed, but I'd hope that I would support the girl as much as I could rather than going off on some absurd revenge plot just to satisfy my own ego.

 

[tige19]

Agreed, but I'd hope that I would support the girl as much as I could rather than going off on some absurd revenge plot just to satisfy my own ego.

You're a better man than me then!

 

[dommat]

With all this stuff going on, I'm so glad we didn't get Jake Carlisle.