NO TROLLS Hawthorn Racism Review - Sensitive issues discussed. Part 3

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[Mitchell Madness]

The AFR - now there's a source of impartial journalism

No source of media is impartial.
They may pretend to be, but noone demonstrates an argument both ways. It is all opion pieces and ads masquerading as articles

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Article 1: they apologised for biased coverage of Alice Springs

Article 2: they apologised for their involvement in the yes campaign

Article 3: they pay tax payer money for defamation against a soldier

Article 4: they apologise for biased coverage of coronation

Article 5: abc journalist acts unprofessionally and doesn’t apologise

Article 6: abc settled another defamation case for poor reporting

Article 6: abc issues 3 seperate apologies

Article 7: abc issues an apology for inaccurate reporting

Article 8: abc employee issued apology for dangerous misinformation

Article 9: abc apologises for biased coverage of transgender issues

9 issues. In 18 months.

But it’s sky news and Murdoch’s fault.

Good one

It's not just the fact they are continually getting caught out for acting unprofessionally.

It's also the every definite trend on the issues they are being caught out acting in an unprofessional/manner on.

If it's a progressive issue you can bet your bottom dollar the ABC will be as biased in their reporting as SKY is on right wing issues.

The fact that they didn't state that trans women retain physical advantages in a scientific review into the issue is absolutely bonkers as an example.

The big issue is that if the ABC keeps on going down this path they lose more and mor credibility which is actually incredibly bad news for the country as a whole.

 

[JackOutback]

Every news source issues retractions all the time. This isn't some "gotcha" on the ABC lol

And think about how many articles they publish a day/week/month/year. No media organisation wants to make a mistake, but they all do, and it's refreshing if they admit it.

 

[Makeshift Park]

The big issue is that if the ABC keeps on going down this path they lose more and mor credibility which is actually incredibly bad news for the country as a whole.

You hear old fogies make this claim as if This Day Tonight wasn't riling up conservatives in the seventies.

But yet, even still, I can't remember the last time a national survey found any media organisation in this country was more trusted than the ABC.

From just last week:

It’s Official: Woolworths is Australia’s Most Trusted Brand - Roy Morgan Research

www.roymorgan.com

And over the past decade:




Fair enough if you don't like its news coverage, that's fine, but the actual numbers tell a different story to the one you're describing.

 

[the big lebowski]

It's not just the fact they are continually getting caught out for acting unprofessionally.

It's also the every definite trend on the issues they are being caught out acting in an unprofessional/manner on.

If it's a progressive issue you can bet your bottom dollar the ABC will be as biased in their reporting as SKY is on right wing issues.

The fact that they didn't state that trans women retain physical advantages in a scientific review into the issue is absolutely bonkers as an example.

The big issue is that if the ABC keeps on going down this path they lose more and mor credibility which is actually incredibly bad news for the country as a whole.

100%

 

[Engimal v3]

It's not just the fact they are continually getting caught out for acting unprofessionally.

It's also the every definite trend on the issues they are being caught out acting in an unprofessional/manner on.

If it's a progressive issue you can bet your bottom dollar the ABC will be as biased in their reporting as SKY is on right wing issues.

The fact that they didn't state that trans women retain physical advantages in a scientific review into the issue is absolutely bonkers as an example.

The big issue is that if the ABC keeps on going down this path they lose more and mor credibility which is actually incredibly bad news for the country as a whole.

This isn't a piss take although it might read like one - but are you genuinely not aware of how common retractions are for a media organisation of their size?

 

[Makeshift Park]

This isn't a piss take although it might read like one - but are you genuinely not aware of how common retractions are for a media organisation of their size?

Imagine how ridiculously high your standards would have to be to expect that an organisation that pumps out content 24/7 across [checks notes] 60 radio stations and [squints] five TV stations and the nation's busiest news site would never make any mistakes.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

This isn't a piss take although it might read like one - but are you genuinely not aware of how common retractions are for a media organisation of their size?

Sure they are a big organisation and I know they will have to print retractions due to stuff ups every now and then.

But tell me you can't pick a trend from the retractions above. And there should never be any justification for biased reporting in the national broadcaster.

And this trend ties in with Rusty's article, an oversimplification of the world via looking at every issue with a racial / social justice lens instead of treating each issue purely on its merits and fact based reporting.

 

[Engimal v3]

Sure they are a big organisation and I know they will have to print retractions due to stuff ups every now and then.

But tell me you can't pick a trend from the retractions above. And there should never be any justification for biased reporting in the national broadcaster.

And this trend ties in with Rusty's article, an oversimplification of the world via looking at every issue with a racial / social justice lens instead of treating each issue purely on its merits and fact based reporting.

What's the trend? The supposed biased reporting of the coronation was due to them presenting facts about monarchism. It seems to me that the ABC's "bias" has a significant overlap with things that conservatives are uncomfortable discussing

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Article 1: they apologised for biased coverage of Alice Springs

Article 2: they apologised for their involvement in the yes campaign

Article 3: they pay tax payer money for defamation against a soldier

Article 4: they apologise for biased coverage of coronation

Article 5: abc journalist acts unprofessionally and doesn’t apologise

Article 6: abc settled another defamation case for poor reporting

Article 6: abc issues 3 seperate apologies

Article 7: abc issues an apology for inaccurate reporting

Article 8: abc employee issued apology for dangerous misinformation

Article 9: abc apologises for biased coverage of transgender issues

9 issues. In 18 months.

But it’s sky news and Murdoch’s fault.

Good one

They should apologise for wasting money on coverage of the coronation

 

[Elixuh]

This isn't a piss take although it might read like one - but are you genuinely not aware of how common retractions are for a media organisation of their size?

If you only watched sky news you wouldn’t be aware of this

 

[western royboy]

Sure they are a big organisation and I know they will have to print retractions due to stuff ups every now and then.

But tell me you can't pick a trend from the retractions above. And there should never be any justification for biased reporting in the national broadcaster.

And this trend ties in with Rusty's article, an oversimplification of the world via looking at every issue with a racial / social justice lens instead of treating each issue purely on its merits and fact based reporting.

You are living in your own echo chamber

 

[Simon Crawshay]

You are living in your own echo chamber

I don't think I am alone in calling out ABCs bias.

And before you say it's due to Murdoch brainwashing I don't read the Sun or listen to Sky News.

I'm basing my viewpoint on what I observe firsthand whenever I turn on Insiders, ABC news, etc. It's pretty bloody obvious.

 

[western royboy]

I don't think I am alone in calling out ABCs bias.

And before you say it's due to Murdoch brainwashing I don't read the Sun or listen to Sky News.

I'm basing my viewpoint on what I observe firsthand whenever I turn on Insiders, ABC news, etc. It's pretty bloody obvious.

If you think Insiders is left wing then I can’t help you. The show has been unwatchable for a few years.

 

[Elixuh]

I don't think I am alone in calling out ABCs bias.

And before you say it's due to Murdoch brainwashing I don't read the Sun or listen to Sky News.

I'm basing my viewpoint on what I observe firsthand whenever I turn on Insiders, ABC news, etc. It's pretty bloody obvious.

I i i i isn't Insiders hosted by David Spears, lol. Much left leaning. Very wow.

 

[The Feeder Club]

Public broadcasting serves an important purpose, to tell the stories of minority viewpoints that are ignored by mainstream media as they don't capture the eyes and ears of the average punter and turn a profit.
Historically for the ABC these were the stories of geographical minorities, especially people living in rural and remote locations. But also included things like classical arts coverage.
Subsequently, the ABC did such a bad job of telling the stories of ethnic minorities in Australia, it required a second public broadcaster to be established.
Nowadays, the minority stories are increasingly from either indigenous, LGBTQI, disability groups, or people with far left political views.
The purpose of public broadcasting hasn't changed, it's just the minority stories the ABC chooses to tell have evolved over time and increasingly rile conservatives.
Ultimately, you either think it's important all the stories are told, and so like me support public broadcasting even if some of the stories are warped bullshit, or you think the only stories/viewpoints that should be heard are those that turn a profit.
Long live the ABC I say

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Public broadcasting serves an important purpose, to tell the stories of minority viewpoints that are ignored by mainstream media as they don't capture the eyes and ears of the average punter and turn a profit.
Historically for the ABC these were the stories of geographical minorities, especially people living in rural and remote locations. But also included things like classical arts coverage.
Subsequently, the ABC did such a bad job of telling the stories of ethnic minorities in Australia, it required a second public broadcaster to be established.
Nowadays, the minority stories are increasingly from either indigenous, LGBTQI, disability groups, or people with far left political views.
The purpose of public broadcasting hasn't changed, it's just the minority stories the ABC chooses to tell have evolved over time and increasingly rile conservatives.
Ultimately, you either think it's important all the stories are told, and so like me support public broadcasting even if some of the stories are warped bullshit, or you think the only stories/viewpoints that should be heard are those that turn a profit.
Long live the ABC I say

Social media has made the minority stories redundant on television. With access to biased views on both sides it's clear the abc and sky news are exactly the same (but with polar opposite views)

 

[The Feeder Club]

Social media has made the minority stories redundant on television. With access to biased views on both sides it's clear the abc and sky news are exactly the same (but with polar opposite views)

Many people that turn to the ABC (not just TV, radio and online too) are not prolific users of social media. They have too much sense to tik tok

 

[sr36]

It's not just the fact they are continually getting caught out for acting unprofessionally.

It's also the every definite trend on the issues they are being caught out acting in an unprofessional/manner on.

If it's a progressive issue you can bet your bottom dollar the ABC will be as biased in their reporting as SKY is on right wing issues.

The fact that they didn't state that trans women retain physical advantages in a scientific review into the issue is absolutely bonkers as an example.

The big issue is that if the ABC keeps on going down this path they lose more and mor credibility which is actually incredibly bad news for the country as a whole.

Both politics and the media have shifted heavily to the right. (I'm talking economics here as social politics didn't used to align so heavily with economics - in fact there's been long periods of time when the small l liberals or progressives were very often a long way to the right economically.) On social issues, society and thus some media outlets have shifted towards progressive. But we now have enormous amounts of very conservative online outlets. If you follow these outlets, then yes the ABC would seem to be very progressive leaning, but that's an impression created by how far conservative of the norm some outlets are - particularly American agencies.

 

[the big lebowski]

Both politics and the media have shifted heavily to the right. (I'm talking economics here as social politics didn't used to align so heavily with economics - in fact there's been long periods of time when the small l liberals or progressives were very often a long way to the right economically.) On social issues, society and thus some media outlets have shifted towards progressive. But we now have enormous amounts of very conservative online outlets. If you follow these outlets, then yes the ABC would seem to be very progressive leaning, but that's an impression created by how far conservative of the norm some outlets are - particularly American agencies.

Can you give some examples of the media leaning right.

I primarily watch ch10 news and read the age. And they are both very progressive.

Sure sky news speaks to conservatives and the herald sun has many op Ed’s by conservatives.

But what other examples can you provide

(I’m not disagreeing just interested in what the media I don’t consume says)

 

[JackOutback]

I primarily watch ch10 news and read the age. And they are both very progressive.

 

[sr36]

Can you give some examples of the media leaning right.

I primarily watch ch10 news and read the age. And they are both very progressive.

Sure sky news speaks to conservatives and the herald sun has many op Ed’s by conservatives.

But what other examples can you provide

(I’m not disagreeing just interested in what the media I don’t consume says)

I'm differentiating between economic left and right and social "progressive" versus "conservative", because they're very different despite being currently aligned in our political landscape.

Economically everything has shifted considerably to the right including supposedly "left wing" media. The result is an increasing economic divide with significantly increasing shares of revenue shifting from from workers to investors. Take the current inflationary pressures in the economy. Pretty much every media outlet depict it as unquestionable and natural that firms protect the size of profits by passing on increasing costs to the consumer. On the flip side, the concept of labourers passing on all of the increasing costs of living by demanding higher wages is depicted as unnatural and irresponsible. This wouldn't have been the case not so long ago.

Meanwhile everything has shifted towards progressive away from conservative. As society has done so.

Basically if you're pro-union or anti- gay marriage there's been a big shift away from your beliefs. But one gets referred to as left and the other one right. So the shift has been different in terms of economics and social behaviour.

 

[the big lebowski]

Please explain.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Mods, is there a thread for media leanings? I think this is an interesting conversation.

Wouldn't mind more extrapolated discussion, and though relative to this topic (i:e the ABC report), I think we're getting a little off track from this particular issue.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Both politics and the media have shifted heavily to the right. (I'm talking economics here as social politics didn't used to align so heavily with economics - in fact there's been long periods of time when the small l liberals or progressives were very often a long way to the right economically.) On social issues, society and thus some media outlets have shifted towards progressive. But we now have enormous amounts of very conservative online outlets. If you follow these outlets, then yes the ABC would seem to be very progressive leaning, but that's an impression created by how far conservative of the norm some outlets are - particularly American agencies.

I'd argue the point about whether society has shifted towards progressive as you have suggested.

As the results from the Voice referendum showed their are massive divisions between inner city and outer suburban / rural electorates.

That's my main gripe about the ABC at the moment, it's being almost solely run to appease its inner city base (as let's face it that is where 90% of the presenters live and work) whilst ignoring the rest of Australia.

And as we all pay taxes that fund its existence that's not kosher in my book.