NO TROLLS Hawthorn Racism Review - Sensitive issues discussed. Part 3

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Link to Hawthorn Statement. - Link to ABC Sports article. - Leaked Report

Process Plan - https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/do...erms-of-Reference-and-Process-Plan-FINAL-.pdf

AFL Ends Investigation - 'Imperfect resolution' as Hawks probe ends, no one charged

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[ferball]

Except with a case where the judgements of characters and their actions is subjective. Then the evidence that you’ve quoted does become the most important because it proves the subjectivity of the case. It basically proves Fagan is not objectively racist. Now he may have still erred in past actions but knowing there is this level of support for him any notion that he is irredeemable is basically ousted

Racist stuff happened in this thread. It happened because the rules of this site came into conflict with what some posters wanted to say.

I'm sure none of the mods responsible are racist but they still managed to delete a welcome to an indigenous person in their own language. Which would qualify as racist by the standards people are using to judge Clarkson and Fagan.

I think its quite ironic that this happened but it does illustrate how easy it is to be racially insensitive with the best intentions in the world.

 

[tassietime]

It’s heartening that the tone in relation to Fagan on this thread has become more reasonable with time. Perhaps as a result of his experience there will be fewer people inclined to rush to judgement on the basis of hearsay.

 

[sr36]

It’s heartening that the tone in relation to Fagan on this thread has become more reasonable with time. Perhaps as a result of his experience there will be fewer people inclined to rush to judgement on the basis of hearsay.

Are you hoping that more, like you, rush to judgement based on Cameron having an arm around him?

 

[MacMum]

Are you hoping that more, like you, rush to judgement based on Cameron having an arm around him?

Have you heard the saying "..a leopard doesn't change it's spots" well, that works both ways..

..a person like Fagan doesn't become a genuinely likable person overnight when it suits. They either are or they're not.

Our Indigenous boys aren't stupid, they would know/sense if he was capable of saying such horrible things etc yet they have given solid support to him...from the start.

..just so people know, I don't blindly support anyone, don't care who it is. If I thought for one minute Fagan was possibly guilty of these allegations I would not be supporting him like I have been...

Chris Fagan is a decent human being imo..

 

[tassietime]

Are you hoping that more, like you, rush to judgement based on Cameron having an arm around him?

No, I’d like more people to be slow to judgement based on his decades of proven actions as an outstanding human being, toward people of all races - including fellow Tasmanians

 

[sr36]

No, I’d like more people to be slow to judgement based on his decades of proven actions as an outstanding human being, toward people of all races - including fellow Tasmanians

I'm more prone to be critical of positive treatment of Tasmanians.

 

[Engimal v3]

Hawthorn are facing a significant financial settlement with four-time premiership coach Alastair Clarkson, while he and his former football boss Chris Fagan also want public apologies from the club over the impact of the cultural safety review on their professional and private lives.

The combined compensation bill for Clarkson, Fagan and Burt could exceed $1 million, the sources said, for damage to their reputations and the costs they incurred.

Hawks face massive financial settlement to Clarkson

Hawthorn are facing a significant financial settlement with Alastair Clarkson, while he and his former football boss Chris Fagan also want public apologies from the club over the impact of the cultural safety review on their professional and private lives.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Elixuh]

If its costs + reputation for all three, it'll exceed $1m.

 

[hawkman]

AFL trying to sweep it all under the carpet now with some money to everyone

 

[peetoo]

Soft cap?

 

[Elixuh]

Soft cap?

I haven't read the article so have no more information than you, but doesn't sound like an AFL driven thing (eg an AFL punishment). Sounds more like private actions brought by the three against Hawthorn? And Hawthorn want to settle. I could be completely wrong.

 

[perplexed]

It's a bit weird that the AFL supposedly haven't communicated their findings to Hawthorn yet they are talking about compensation and settlements.

Let's hope the AFL make it all public.

 

[Elixuh]

It's a bit weird that the AFL supposedly haven't communicated their findings to Hawthorn yet they are talking about compensation and settlements.

Let's hope the AFL make it all public.

Not really. I would have thought the AFL findings are irrelevant and Hawthorn would not want to litigate this issue for a range of reasons including the risk of significant further reputational damage (even if they are ultimately successful).

 

[perplexed]

Not really. I would have thought the AFL findings are irrelevant and Hawthorn would not want to litigate this issue for a range of reasons including the risk of significant further reputational damage (even if they are ultimately successful).

Not sure how Meade's review findings could be irrelevant. They could find Egan, Hawthorn and its officials acted either innocently, incompetently or maliciously. This would obviously affect the scale of the compensation.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

How very generous of the family club

 

[Elixuh]

Not sure how Meade's review findings could be irrelevant. They could find Egan, Hawthorn and its officials acted either innocently, incompetently or maliciously. This would obviously affect the scale of the compensation.

Irrelevant wasn't the right word, but I doubt the findings are a vital consideration. Hawthorn wants this to go away. Risk of further reputational damage if you litigate the issue is high.

 

[blackshadow]

Soft cap?

It would be fitting if it came off their soft cap.


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[peetoo]

It would be fitting if it came off their soft cap.


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Will bookmark for when Clarko departs the roos

 

[Shinboner1]

Will bookmark for when Clarko departs the roos

Keeping it for 5 years?

 

[Smoocher]

Sounds only fair for all affected parties to get compo.

A flawed process which has the main instigator Egan facing criminal charges.

No substantial evidence to find the accused guilty only lots of third party heresay accusations.

The Human Rights Commission has no real power and will only try to arrange mediation.

A very messy process with no right of reply offered to the accused.

The quicker this is closed down the better off for the HFC.

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[vindaloo]

It’s heartening that the tone in relation to Fagan on this thread has become more reasonable with time. Perhaps as a result of his experience there will be fewer people inclined to rush to judgement on the basis of hearsay.

Are you taking the piss?
Most of the posters who racked up big post counts in this thread condemning fagan have agendas/bias or to having their own racial prejudices themselves.

If you go onto the society board there's plenty that posted here who sympathise with Hamas, but who wanted a public execution of Fagan. If you point out their inconsistencies long enough (of which they are glaring) they will label you a racist or even a nazi if you're really highlighting uncomfortable truths of theirs.

Ps. Don't ever vote.for the greens, I'd be certain most a greens voters. Insufferable. Unbearable. Narcissistic.

They are onto the next thing to be 'outraged about right now.

If it went over my head and you were being facetious then well played.

 

[Chief]

Couple of corrections:

A flawed process which has the main instigator Egan facing criminal charges.

Egan is not on charges for anything to do with this process, that I know of.

No substantial evidence to find the accused guilty only lots of third party heresay accusations.

They are claims from people directly involved, not third parties.

 

[blackshadow]

I wonder how settlement payments to the accusers will impact HRC proceedings.


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[RUNVS]

I have not been paying attention too much to all this but from my understanding Clarkson did something really racist, and somehow he is going to be getting a big pay out for it.

 

[yeahmate]

Not quite, Clarko got defamed and now is getting compensated as per my original predicted outcome