Autopsy Hawthorn v Geelong - "they weren't trying"

[PenAndPaper]

Apparently there is a completely different view that none of us saw that shows it was definitely touched.
FWIW I thought it was a goal from the vision we saw.

I have no idea why the third umpire sees vision we don't. It's stupid.

I thought it was touched. It may look like the ball is over the line in that camera angle but its just the way the camera is set up.

 

[Freshmeat]

Ive been playing spot the difference for the last 2 hours but for the life of me cant find it.. Anyone?

The one on the left has the higher IQ??

 

[Freshmeat]

The one on the left has a decent winning percentage.

The answer is the one on the left is house trained

 

[PenAndPaper]

The answer is the one on the left is house trained

The one on the left is Brad Scott?

 

[Links_234]

The claims made by some Geelong supporters that they 'weren't trying' are made funnier by the fact that if they had won, they'd be talking their usual 'hawks are our bitches' bollocks.

 

[grizzlym]

The one on the left has the higher IQ??

The one on the right can lick its nether regions?

 

[moginie]

I too am a "chick" (probably more an old boiler) hence the reason for the "simpering bimbo" tag that I labelled them with BUT ban me now if that's the quality of my input to these and other boards. I understand your need for the ignore button

You're good mate. Always enjoy reading your posts.

Read the post-mortem thread on the Geelong board (which I normally don't do) & do have to agree about your assessment of TeriyakiCat & Squishykitty. The type of supporters I don't want my kids to become.

 

[Changa10]

The one on the right can lick its nether regions?

And his arse!

 

[mightynineteen]

And his arse!

to much information

 

[Great 2008]

Interesting thread, hope you don't mind an enemy supporter posting here.

Interested to know how Hawks fans now perceive the first half.

To me this game almost looked like two clubs doing the opposite thing at the opposite time. I.e. Hawthorn might have come in a bit flat from travel and also expecting that given the ladder situation and time of year that this would be a bruise free, outside game. Cats came in more focused and fired up. Then at half time Geelong seems to have thought, 'if they aren't going to go hard, why should we?' while the Hawks seems to have thought 'crap, they are actually trying, we had better try too or this will be embarassing.' So then they swapped roles, and Hawthorn are much better at converting dominance into goals.

I suspect in two weeks time (assuming no disaster for us in terms of final round results) the game will be much more even in both halves. I am going to need sedation.

Cats Hawks games have aged me ten years......sedation might have been a good idea.

 

[QuietB]

I thought it was touched. It may look like the ball is over the line in that camera angle but its just the way the camera is set up.

Live at the ground it looked touched. As noted above it was a crap kick.

 

[BigRough]

The answer is the one on the left is house trained

That's an insult to Grumpy Cat.

 

[BigRough]

I didn't realise Cats had such a bad second half record all year. You can be guaranteed they won't do that when we meet again, even if they screw it up for their remaining finals.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

You're good mate. Always enjoy reading your posts.

Read the post-mortem thread on the Geelong board (which I normally don't do) & do have to agree about your assessment of TeriyakiCat & Squishykitty. The type of supporters I don't want my kids to become.

Anyone who refers to us in the juvenile terms they do is someone I could not give the slightest about in terms of their opinions on anything, let alone football, let alone our proud club. Anyone who's ever replied with the derogatory term based on our colours (hate even saying it, mainly because I'm not 4 years old) when I tell them who I support is usually met with the derision they deserve.

 

[Harper_Hawk]

The one on the right can lick its nether regions?

There are two words to describe Scott, his captain and the supporters.

SORE LOSERS.

 

[Hawker55]

Absolutely there are many ways to look at it.
That's why I put it up, so that people could have a think about it.

Caddy was under utilised in the second half compared to the first.
Christensen wasn't used at all in the first half.

But I'm not sure it's shit coaching.
Maybe we don't bat deep enough in the midfield.

The weird one in that is Bartel at the end. I know he was slightly underdone but unless he carried an injury into the game, why wouldn't he go straight into the rotation as soon as we put 4-5 goals on? That is definitely an indication that Scott wanted to test the younger guys out, but then pulled the switch when it looked like the margin may get out of hand and percentage come into play.

By the same token, a lot of the posters in your threads (and I haven't the balls to go on there and dispute this!) ignore the fact that we also tried out a few things in the first half, including the 08 cluster for the first time in about 3 years and going mainly man to man for most of the second quarter. I've never seen us play so tight on the opposition post 06. It really meant that we were stuffed whenever we got the ball in the second as there was never anyone to kick to.

 

[Hawker55]

They tend to do variations in the first half, or first halves of quarters

Fwiw i thought geelong were more dominant in their period, but didnt score so much

This is a thing we do quite well. Teams smash us but don't inflict real scoreboard damage for whatever reason. Look at our losses, even the North game, which was probably the worst we've played all year we weren't disgraced on the scoreboard.

 

[cryptor]

Interesting thread, hope you don't mind an enemy supporter posting here.

Interested to know how Hawks fans now perceive the first half.

To me this game almost looked like two clubs doing the opposite thing at the opposite time. I.e. Hawthorn might have come in a bit flat from travel and also expecting that given the ladder situation and time of year that this would be a bruise free, outside game. Cats came in more focused and fired up. Then at half time Geelong seems to have thought, 'if they aren't going to go hard, why should we?' while the Hawks seems to have thought 'crap, they are actually trying, we had better try too or this will be embarassing.' So then they swapped roles, and Hawthorn are much better at converting dominance into goals.

I suspect in two weeks time (assuming no disaster for us in terms of final round results) the game will be much more even in both halves. I am going to need sedation.

Nah I don't buy that. That's just making an excuse for the Hawks in the first half and the Cats in the second half.
If the Hawks are capable of just turning it on like that when they decided they needed to start trying then the Cats should've been just as capable of doing the same at 3 quarter time - or even earlier!

The Cats are a very good chance of finishing 3rd but given we know they aren't immune from being upset by Brisbane (at home or far away) and possibly slipping to 4th you'd think given they were in the prime position to secure the win at half time that they'd do that when Hawthorn started fighting back halfway through the 3rd.

They'd done all the hard work in the first half to set up a seemingly match winning lead and then in the second half they were incapable of defending it. This wasn't a case of not wanting to show any cards before the possible QF in 2 weeks. This was a case of the effort and work rate dropping off sharply. All they needed to do was keep the pressure on and keep doing what they were doing in the first half (denying us the ball) and the Cats would've prevented us from scoring enough to come back and win. And as I'm sure you're aware this second half fade out is certainly not the first time this has happened to the Cats this season and would be of severe concern to me if this was happening with as much frequency to the Hawks.

I think you're right that it will be more even across the entire game if we play in the QF but as I've said, I'd be really concerned about those second half fade outs they've been having of late. Hawks seem to be running out games better than ever and I believe second halves (3rd quarters in particular) have been our highest scoring parts of games.

 

[heh]

Our 3rd and 4th are good.
But many of our firsts have been bloomin ordinary this year.

 

[cryptor]

Our 3rd and 4th are good.
But many of our firsts have been bloomin ordinary this year.

More first halves like the MCG Freo game and more second halves like this Geelong game and no one will come close.

 

[Bonscott1980]

The one on the left has the higher IQ??

One digs a hole to hide its crap

 

[B&GBlood]

Ive been playing spot the difference for the last 2 hours but for the life of me cant find it.. Anyone?

Scott has a bigger sad lip.

 

[B&GBlood]

While his attack and desperation at the ball is what I love about him. Sometimes he is just milking it.

No doubt Puopolo does "the selwood" but more often he accentuates the contact that is high rather than pushing the arm up to the shoulder. Like both the frees Saturday night.

One day someone will break /Selwoods collarbone, and I will be glad as he will be responsible.

 

[Pessimistic]

Poppys second free, he had already disposed the ball when given a free, so legit for mine

 

[vinum coupe]

The weird one in that is Bartel at the end. I know he was slightly underdone but unless he carried an injury into the game, why wouldn't he go straight into the rotation as soon as we put 4-5 goals on? That is definitely an indication that Scott wanted to test the younger guys out, but then pulled the switch when it looked like the margin may get out of hand and percentage come into play.

By the same token, a lot of the posters in your threads (and I haven't the balls to go on there and dispute this!) ignore the fact that we also tried out a few things in the first half, including the 08 cluster for the first time in about 3 years and going mainly man to man for most of the second quarter. I've never seen us play so tight on the opposition post 06. It really meant that we were stuffed whenever we got the ball in the second as there was never anyone to kick to.

See I wish you'd share that stuff on our board.
Our mods are not monsters.

As for Bartel. He rarely goes in the middle. I reckon that was to protect Caddy etc. from more work.
Percentage means nothing for us.

Care to expand on the cluster. It has been a few years