Toast How can this Melbourne side be stopped?

[La Dispute]

man you post some banal tripe. melbourne crushed everyone they played in last year's finals, no fluke or relevant luck to it.

Speak for yourself big fella - easily the most pointless poster on here.

There’s always an element of luck to winning a finals series. Melbourne leveraged a lower standard last year and has been found out this year as footy has returned to normality and they’ve been pushed by better teams.

Doesn’t invalidate their win last year though.

 

[katana]

Doesn’t invalidate their win last year though.

yeah i guess they just did some 'leverage' then won it right.

 

[La Dispute]

yeah i guess they just did some 'leverage' then won it right.

That is what I just said.

Are you dense?

They took advantage of a healthy list, had all their gun players playing top shelf footy at the same time, had a handy home and away draw and then put away a number of half baked teams during the finals series.

The Dees could not have asked for a better set of circumstances.

 

[katana]

The Dees could not have asked for a better set of circumstances.

isn't this the case for all premierships? what's your actual point? that they're no good? list was 'healthy, healthy' i get it.

i think the only thing holding melbourne back is their bonehead of a coach.

 

[La Dispute]

isn't this the case for all premierships? what's your actual point? that they're no good? list was 'healthy, healthy' i get it.

i think the only thing holding melbourne back is their bonehead of a coach.

That they are conditionally good, they’ve regressed to the mean - others have overtaken them.

Their list still needs a fair amount of development to get to the next level.

 

[Coolangatta]

Pretty sure we were leading in the third quarter in all but one of home and away losses this year. Even our wins we've been fading out badly all year, so I'm pretty sure this isn't true.

Sorry, I meant last season not this season, I was tired.

 

[Toump Ass]

Sorry, I meant last season not this season, I was tired.

No probs. In that case you are spot on. We were the fittest team in it last year, we regularly got leads on teams and then strangled them. Made for boring viewing but we won. This year, we regularly got leads and we coughed them up. Part of that is fitness, the other part of that is teams just working us out.

 

[katana]

That they are conditionally good, they’ve regressed to the mean - others have overtaken them.

Their list still needs a fair amount of development to get to the next level.

what on earth is 'the next level'? they won a flag last year. is there a better level than that im not aware of?

 

[La Dispute]

what on earth is 'the next level'? they won a flag last year. is there a better level than that im not aware of?

You think they peaked as a side last year?

I mean add some more layers to their play, recruit or develop some quality key position forwards, create some more midfield depth etc. The hallmarks of any good side is they adapt and get better.

No idea why you’re spinning your wheels so much.

 

[WillHayward]

Melbourne simply have to play Van Rooyen ahead of Brown next year.

They are now stuck with 2 more years of Brown.

 

[katana]

You think they peaked as a side last year?

I mean add some more layers to their play, recruit or develop some quality key position forwards, create some more midfield depth etc. The hallmarks of any good side is they adapt and get better.

No idea why you’re spinning your wheels so much.

yeah sure, any team can theoretically improve. great analysis by you. but what's this 'go to the next level' business? what level ought they to reach?

 

[WillHayward]

I thought even though Burgess left that the new guys in charge were confident of keeping them in top nick for another tilt.

Pretty sure Melbourne was the best last quarter team this season but not this time. Thought they were saving themselves to go hammer and tong in September. Apparently not.

No they sucked in last quarters this season.
They even had a graphic on it at 3/4 time .
I think it said "fading Demons".

 

[WillHayward]

oh Tom McDonald. yeah, but he's not all that much chop.

We just need to find a replacement for Ben Brown asap though. He's a 3 goal disadvantage in most games he plays.

You already have one. JVR.

 

[WillHayward]

You think they peaked as a side last year?

I mean add some more layers to their play, recruit or develop some quality key position forwards, create some more midfield depth etc. The hallmarks of any good side is they adapt and get better.

No idea why you’re spinning your wheels so much.

Yes they peaked as a side last year.

Clearly.

There is no "better' than winning the flag.

It's the peak.

They peaked.

 

[La Dispute]

yeah sure, any team can theoretically improve. great analysis by you. but what's this 'go to the next level' business? what level ought they to reach?

How’s the constant sassy attitude? You’re a strange unit.

No idea why I’m entertaining your basic questions, but yeah winning one premiership isn’t the endpoint. Teams want to improve and add more to their games eg Hawthorn after 2008, Richmond after 2017 - you’re gunning for multiple flags and that usually requires updating your game plan and adding personnel.

 

[La Dispute]

Yes they peaked as a side last year.

Clearly.

There is no "better' than winning the flag.

It's the peak.

They peaked.

Multiple flags is better than one flag.

If they won it this year was last year still their peak? Clearly not because 2/2 is better than 1/1

If they win it next year was 2021 their peak? Clearly not because 2/3 is better than 1/1

You cumulatively build your credentials when you’re a contender.

Maybe 2021 will be the last time they’re gunning for a grand final win, but I doubt it.

 

[WillHayward]

Multiple flags is better than one flag.

If they won it this year was last year still their peak? Clearly not because 2/2 is better than 1/1

If they win it next year was 2021 their peak? Clearly not because 2/3 is better than 1/1

You cumulatively build your credentials when you’re a contender.

Maybe 2021 will be the last time they’re gunning for a grand final win, but I doubt it.

You could be right and the Dees 2022 could be like Tiges 2018.

The overall list is still young.

 

[danster168]

You already have one. JVR.

yeah true. unproven at afl level though. hopefully he becomes a decent player.

 

[Django]

Hawthorn have a better forward line.

Think about that

Think about what? Hawthorn? No one was asking that question. Geezzzz

 

[Django]

Need a big, angry pack crunching forward

Not enough credit going to brisbane who were bold with ball in hand & a bit like Sydney last week did all the high % things

Grundy seems a recruiting mistake … there gameplan needs to evolve, not attempt to replicate history

I agree. Mundy makes no sense to me. Need a forward, even if it's just a working class big fella.

 

[Xtreme]

what on earth is 'the next level'? they won a flag last year. is there a better level than that im not aware of?

Yes
Back to back
Back to back to back

Dynasty status (not even Geelong or Richmond could achieve it)

 

[katana]

No idea why I’m entertaining your basic questions, but yeah winning one premiership isn’t the endpoint. Teams want to improve and add more to their games eg Hawthorn after 2008, Richmond after 2017 - you’re gunning for multiple flags and that usually requires updating your game plan and adding personnel.

i agree however i don't think any team any team aims to go to 'another level' (your words not mine) after winning a flag. it sound clunky and very corporate.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I don’t see how any team could achieve more than one or two flags at a time (Hawthorn and Brisbane the obvious exceptions). There are many reasons - loss of key players due to retirement or injury; disrupting personal circumstances of individuals; coaching staff changes; psychological mind shift eg complacency; interpersonal relationships within the team leading to fractures in the team chemistry; or simply other teams getting better. Things never stay the same. The uncertainty from year to year is what’s good about the competition.

 

[gouki88]

I don’t see how any team could achieve more than one or two flags at a time (Hawthorn and Brisbane the obvious exceptions). There are many reasons - loss of key players due to retirement or injury; disrupting personal circumstances of individuals; coaching staff changes; psychological mind shift eg complacency; interpersonal relationships within the team leading to fractures in the team chemistry; or simply other teams getting better. Things never stay the same. The uncertainty from year to year is what’s good about the competition.

Agree, it’s incredibly difficult to win one, let alone multiple. It’s why the teams that do (Brisbane, Hawthorn, Richmond, Geelong) are so venerated

 

[demondavey]

Hard to justify. Brisbane beat Richmond, Brisbane beat Melbourne. By definition, we are top 6 right now. Our best is clearly top class, we score heavily. Good looking footy, fans love to watch us. Melbourne got lucky with Brisbane twice in the home and away, Brisbane's only losses for the year above 14 points. Against all other teams, Brisbane has more wins than Melbourne. Melbourne on the other hand, no where near it after round 10.

Melbourne are playing exactly like where they are at, I see no improvement coming. They just can't score. Good midfield, good backilne, crap forward line.

Winning by 10 goals isn’t luck.

We kicked ourselves out of Friday night. Don’t get away from the fact we had plenty of opportunity to score and missed a lot.