Roast How diabolical is our midfield?
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I don't mind Sholl as a backup wingman, but imo he hasn’t got the body to play every week. There is a big gap between his best & worst... which is usually after playing a few games in a row.
McHenry is our best sub option imo... though we should also be using Sloane too as he is at his most effective later in games.
It’s actually his 3rd year. Was taken in the 2020 draft just before Pedlar from memory. He was also coming off an ACL in his draft year so hardly played in his first year of AFL.
he has certainly under performed so far at GC, but that is precisely why he is potentially available. He just looked a star at underage level, playing for the Murray Bushrangers and Vic Country, and being born in SA is someone we should be very very keen to get.
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If Schoey and Berry didn’t start the season so bad I suspect this would be the team
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So no one to come up in the Sanfl but Nicks only plays same players? Not at my best at the moment but what are you proposing should happen
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If King doesn’t play him in the next few weeks expansion team history suggests he would be. They have a plethora of high picks - and plenty more to bring in this year.
He is likely to be on a decent wage for his output $400/500k given he resigned a second contract and is already well behind some of their other young players
History suggests they move these types of players on to clear space for the next high pick if they can get something back
Whether we or anyone else are asking the question though remains to be seen
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Right, being from SA had nothing to do with us getting Rankine and Dawson, just coincidence.
I have no idea wether he is actually gettable, I was just replying to your post stating he wasn’t worth much now, but I think if we offered enough we would get him. Fact is if we want another gun midfielder to add to this team then I think he is worth the gamble. He ticks all the boxes for me. He’s tall, which compliments Laird, Soligo and Rachelle, he has beautiful disposal, which our game plan revolves around, and he breaks forward of stoppages, which is vital to fully exploit our very talented forward line.
if there is a better option available then brilliant. Just not sure who.
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I would happily give a pick 28 or later for him - it becomes a bit of lottery then anyway and so probably worth the punt.
Remember a lot of this comes down to the fact we don’t have much of a history bringing quality non SA boys here.
On his Road to the Draft interview Hollands was essentially asking the Crows to draft him - and if we had of got the band 1 compo for a Crouch I have little doubt we would have picked him
And so he is a shot at an elite junior talent that we rarely get the chance at.
If we could get a Finn Callaghan to come here for a $1m a year or something then I would be all in. Even a Flanders would be a good option but we just don’t seem to jag those guys or perhaps we don’t go aggressively enough at them
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Your quote “I really don't get the significance placed on where a player is born on this board”Born, bred and RAISED in SA and played all their junior footy in SA
He was classed as a forward/mid at draft time even though he'd played so little actual midfield, so I'm just not so sure where this big bodied mid comes from, at best he was a "potential" big bodied mid.
if you don’t think that a place that someone is born and spent the first half of their life makes a difference then I’m sorry I disagree.
I know he played plenty forward as a junior, but you could say that about hundreds of players that ended up in the midfield. Not sure if you know much about him in his early career, but his coaches had planned for him to play as a full time mid in his draft year, and he had indeed been doing this when he hurt his knee.
Laird was a back pocket early, Dawson was a half back. Don’t let what you read about a player as a junior influence you into believing that’s the only position they can play. Make no mistake if he succeeds at AFL level it will be as a midfielder.
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I think most would agree that Hollands isn’t necessarily the player that can make the difference for us however of players who would most likely would be open to coming to us he is a genuine prospect. We desperately need to turn over our Sanfl mids (Hateley, Brown and Crouch) and get new options in this year that might make us better.
And the options out there are pretty minimal. You mention Flanders and I agree he looks like he has the speed and power to be an option for us. Seems very few options available this year though. Most young ones are locked in and most quality older mids are locked in as well
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I was responding to the ridiculous claim that his output is lower than literally all mids. I picked two very high picks to show its nonsense.
Agree Campbell is starting to look good, but writing off Schoenberg is stupid.
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I got absolutely abused for calling Laird a C grader. Said we should trade him.
Hmmm seems I was right. Accumulator, nothing more.
Playing with a C grader form like nearly all his team mate right now doesn't make him a C grader, he is a solid B+ grader overall.
Remember the pre season when we had a good midfield again with Dawson, Rankine, Crouch, Soligo, laird?
Laird would be a pretty bad half-back these days I think. They have moved him out of the middle a bit so far this year - round 1 was the first time Laird attended less than two thirds of CBAs in a completed game since 2020. But I don't see any other role he's going to be effective in.
He's being comprehensively outplayed by Crouch so it does create a selection problem if the feeling is they are too similar, and I think the club does feel that way as indicated by fewer CBAs in round 1.
He's being comprehensively outplayed by Crouch so it does create a selection problem if the feeling is they are too similar, and I think the club does feel that way as indicated by fewer CBAs in round 1.
The only small defender you could drop for Laird would be Jones. I'd send Laird straight to the SANFL to send a message to every senior player on our list. Tell Jones to lift his game and bring in Laird if he doesn't.
I hate to say the obiovus but Rankine, Rachele and Pedlar are forwards. Soligo is a winger. None of them should be in the centre. This is why we fail. We need genuine mids not pinch hit mids.
How did we failed if none of them were in there? Rankine started in the midfield (had 7 CBA) last week and looked good but only had 3 last night. Rachele played midfield in the first 7 weeks last year and average 20 disposals and kick 10.10 but only had 1 CBA last week and 1 last night. Same with Soligo last year when he played midfield for the first 8 week and looked good, understandable as he had an interrupted preseason. Pedlar played midfield during his draft year, look at the game against the Saints last year but only had 1 CBA this year when they said he was going to get more midfield minute.
I similarly said no more Laird in preseason and was shouted down.
But simply need to fast track Edwards, Taylor and play Rankine, Soligo, Rachelle and Peds through the CB more. He'll I wouldn't be opposed to Jones given his strength.
But going with Laird, Crouch and Dawson isn't the answer
But simply need to fast track Edwards, Taylor and play Rankine, Soligo, Rachelle and Peds through the CB more. He'll I wouldn't be opposed to Jones given his strength.
But going with Laird, Crouch and Dawson isn't the answer
I get where you are coming from but we are robbing our forward line structure to put these players into the midfield when they are better forwards. We need genuine mids.
Can't agree more, Nick's seems to have regressed as his mindset has shifted from developing to contending but with that he has reverted to safe thinking
