Roast How diabolical is our midfield?

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Well, 3 of our 4 games so far have been against sides who missed the 8 last year, and the other game was a home game against a team who had one of the most horrendous offseasons in living memory after being bundled out the finals in straight sets for the 2nd consecutive year, and we didn’t win any of those, so call me a pessimist but saying that 13 of our remaining games are winnable, and that we’ll win 7-9 of them seems like a case of ignoring the evidence in front of you to me.

As for the improvements since 2021 - we aren’t still in 2023 here when Tex and Hinge were playing out of their skins, Thilthorpe was fully fit, Smith and Laird were less cooked than they now are, and we were moving the ball quickly at all costs - all we can focus on is the here and now, and what this side has shown in the first 4 games of 2024 is the following:

1) a completely new, slow, chip-chiparoo game plan that has led to us being the lowest scoring team in the afl thus far, despite not playing any of the 4 prelim finalists from 2023 yet which you’d think would be the toughest tests most of the time on average. In 2023 we were 1st in points scored. Top of the tree. We are now 18th. The most unbelievable part about implementing such a drastic change in game style which has killed our one and only strength is that we have arguably the worst skill level by foot in the entire league, so this particular type of gameplan could not possibly suit any team less than it suits us. Turnovers in dangerous parts of the ground are inevitable when you combine that plan with our playing list, and the scores against from turnovers will tell you all you need to know about how that’s going.

2) We haven’t played either of the 2 form teams of the comp yet (GWS and Sydney, who are absolute locks to go through to prelims) or either of last year’s grand finalists. We have 6 games remaining against those 4 sides. We are no chance of winning any of those 6 games. Zero. We also have 2 games remaining against Port who look a genuine top 4-6 side, who unlike us have clearly improved since last year. The upcoming away game against Carlton (who look poised to play another prelim this year), and the games later in the season against the Pies at the G and Cats at Kardinia Park are going to be truly painful to watch. We can’t beat GWS at Adelaide oval when we’re going well - imagine what they’ll do to us this year when we are going like this and they are rightly premiership favourites. We couldn’t beat the Bombers at Marvel last year - why on earth would we reverse that this year? Etc etc.

3) Tex has maybe a dozen afl games left in him. Smith has 0 and is a panicked mess. Sloane has 0. Laird looks completely done as an AFL quality midfielder, and where else on the ground can you hide a 173cm player who is slow and can’t kick in 2024? Berry looks like never evolving into an AFL quality midfielder. Sholl, McHenry, Murphy, Smith and Jones are an embarrassment to the jumper - two of them were first round picks which could’ve been Butters and Rowbottom. Milera’s career could now be over. Thilthorpe is injury-prone. Hinge is a headless chook whose very strong 2nd half of 2023 was clearly the exception rather than the rule. Rachele looks like he’s about to throw a tantrum and has the intensity of a sloth. The general delivery to the forwards is atrocious. Our leadership group is littered with players who shouldn’t even be in the AFL. You look at the SANFL side and besides Curtin, Taylor and Dowling, the cupboard is pretty bare. None of those 3 have ever played an AFL game, so who knows if they’ll actually make a difference at all. Point of my story - the playing list is absolutely ****ed.

4) We’ve managed to bounce the ball 4 times in 4 games. Yes, our entire team has a total of 4 running bounces of the football in 4 games - you’ll be shocked to learn that is less than any other team, and that there are multiple teams who have exceeded 40. At least one of those bounces was Milera who is now finished. This outlines the completely stagnant, boring, stale gameplan, and the lack of players we have who are willing or mentally able to take the game on.

5) Our coach is now a proven idiot and unlike previous years, there are now clearly players who aren’t playing for him. His assistants have been shown up as the worst group of assistants in the entire league. Seriously, Mick Godden and Van Berlo is the best we can do? Is this club taking the piss out of us? I suppose when 5 of your 8 “leaders” are Lachie Murphy, Wayne Milera, Ben Keays, Mitch Hinge and Brodie Smith, we should already know the answer to that. They would be the leaders of a SANFL side if we hadn’t botched countless drafts with selections based on how nice players’ families are. Losing Rahilly back to Geelong has clearly been a massive loss - would be the equivalent of Port losing Josh Carr and let’s face it, Josh Carr coaches Port while Kenny rubs their knees and tells them he loves them on the bench.

6) the midfield has regressed to literally being the worst in the league. Stats don’t lie. The numbers of EFFECTIVE clearances that lead to scores are historically low - we are again ranked 18th in the league for this. And that’s because we don’t have enough talent. And that’s because we’ve recruited a black hole in there. Hat tip to Hamish who has literally never drafted an afl quality midfielder with a top 20 draft pick in his entire reign of terror as head recruiter. Not one. Jack MacRae would walk in to our best 18 and come close to winning a club champion award. He can’t make the starting midfield of a non-finals team. Port’s 4th best mid is better than our 2nd best mid. GWS have players in their reserves who would be top 10 players for us. Etc

7) Other clubs have completely worked us out. Apply pressure to the ball carrier and the honest triers with little talent wilt and cough it up. Has worked in 4 of 4 games so far. Will the super coaches and super leaders and super midfield overcome this moving forward? I’m betting on no.



The only positives so far this year for me are the ongoing improvement of Soligo, the fact that we FINALLY selected Nankervis in Rd 4 (just imagine the level of stupidity involved in thinking BOTH of Sholl and Jones were better options in the first 3 games), the promising signs from Keane and the fact that maybe us being THIS bad will result in some of the cancers at the club being fired.

We are never returning to finals as long as any of Nicks, Van Berlo, Godden, Ricciuto, Hamish Ogilvie, Brodie Smith, Lachie Murphy, Ned McHenry, Lachie Sholl or Rory Laird have anything to do with the AFL team, so the sooner we clear out this trash, the better. Not to mention the garbage we have at the bottom of our list such as Himmelberg, Bond, Hamill, Parnell and Strachan. And that still doesn’t address the lack of midfield talent on the list outside of Dawson and Soligo. Rachele will never be a mid. Rankine will only ever be a part-time mid. Everyone else is either proven trash, or a flanker.


Feel free to bump this post when we win our 7th game this season though, I’ll cop that if it happens and maybe there’ll be some significant form reversals and fairytale stories that drive it. Murray and Thilthorpe returning should provide something, but neither of them are going to help the midfield chasm of talent. Even in 2020-21, I could see more positives than this, and the rebuild was taking shape. There is nothing taking shape at the moment other than a complete disaster.
Amazing post.
 
Go back and watch when he first started with us. He had elite talent.
He's just been coached in the 'Crows way' now.
We've ruined him.
As has been our coaches way, we always focus on our players weaknesses instead of their strengths
After our continual focus & 'teachings' on the weaknesses, they forget about their strengths and loose all confidence when they go out to play because they have lost their natural instinct and what got them drafted in the first place
 

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As has been our coaches way, we always focus on our players weaknesses instead of their strengths
After our continual focus & 'teachings' on the weaknesses, they forget about their strengths and loose all confidence when they go out to play because they have lost their natural instinct and what got them drafted in the first place

Why I keep using the term Nicksed - sums up what you said nice and succinctly.
 
Why I keep using the term Nicksed - sums up what you said nice and succinctly.
Very appropriate.
Just what has happened to Rachele and Pedlar this year, just shells of the players they were last year.
Berry, the year before that.
Jones is another.
Why couldn't we get Nankervis or Cook in earlier, because they had to work on things
 
I recall Godden using a similar line last year - and I'm sure I posted similar - why not 'work on things' while letting their talent flow

Dont wait till they are perfect - be a better coach
You would think an AFL coach could do both, not at Adelaide.
I still blame Godden for the way Jones plays, when he first came into the team and Godden was our midfield coach.
Lost all instinct because it looked like he had to worry about the defensive side of his game instead of getting the ball.
 
Well, 3 of our 4 games so far have been against sides who missed the 8 last year, and the other game was a home game against a team who had one of the most horrendous offseasons in living memory after being bundled out the finals in straight sets for the 2nd consecutive year, and we didn’t win any of those, so call me a pessimist but saying that 13 of our remaining games are winnable, and that we’ll win 7-9 of them seems like a case of ignoring the evidence in front of you to me.

As for the improvements since 2021 - we aren’t still in 2023 here when Tex and Hinge were playing out of their skins, Thilthorpe was fully fit, Smith and Laird were less cooked than they now are, and we were moving the ball quickly at all costs - all we can focus on is the here and now, and what this side has shown in the first 4 games of 2024 is the following:

1) a completely new, slow, chip-chiparoo game plan that has led to us being the lowest scoring team in the afl thus far, despite not playing any of the 4 prelim finalists from 2023 yet which you’d think would be the toughest tests most of the time on average. In 2023 we were 1st in points scored. Top of the tree. We are now 18th. The most unbelievable part about implementing such a drastic change in game style which has killed our one and only strength is that we have arguably the worst skill level by foot in the entire league, so this particular type of gameplan could not possibly suit any team less than it suits us. Turnovers in dangerous parts of the ground are inevitable when you combine that plan with our playing list, and the scores against from turnovers will tell you all you need to know about how that’s going.

2) We haven’t played either of the 2 form teams of the comp yet (GWS and Sydney, who are absolute locks to go through to prelims) or either of last year’s grand finalists. We have 6 games remaining against those 4 sides. We are no chance of winning any of those 6 games. Zero. We also have 2 games remaining against Port who look a genuine top 4-6 side, who unlike us have clearly improved since last year. The upcoming away game against Carlton (who look poised to play another prelim this year), and the games later in the season against the Pies at the G and Cats at Kardinia Park are going to be truly painful to watch. We can’t beat GWS at Adelaide oval when we’re going well - imagine what they’ll do to us this year when we are going like this and they are rightly premiership favourites. We couldn’t beat the Bombers at Marvel last year - why on earth would we reverse that this year? Etc etc.

3) Tex has maybe a dozen afl games left in him. Smith has 0 and is a panicked mess. Sloane has 0. Laird looks completely done as an AFL quality midfielder, and where else on the ground can you hide a 173cm player who is slow and can’t kick in 2024? Berry looks like never evolving into an AFL quality midfielder. Sholl, McHenry, Murphy, Smith and Jones are an embarrassment to the jumper - two of them were first round picks which could’ve been Butters and Rowbottom. Milera’s career could now be over. Thilthorpe is injury-prone. Hinge is a headless chook whose very strong 2nd half of 2023 was clearly the exception rather than the rule. Rachele looks like he’s about to throw a tantrum and has the intensity of a sloth. The general delivery to the forwards is atrocious. Our leadership group is littered with players who shouldn’t even be in the AFL. You look at the SANFL side and besides Curtin, Taylor and Dowling, the cupboard is pretty bare. None of those 3 have ever played an AFL game, so who knows if they’ll actually make a difference at all. Point of my story - the playing list is absolutely ****ed.

4) We’ve managed to bounce the ball 4 times in 4 games. Yes, our entire team has a total of 4 running bounces of the football in 4 games - you’ll be shocked to learn that is less than any other team, and that there are multiple teams who have exceeded 40. At least one of those bounces was Milera who is now finished. This outlines the completely stagnant, boring, stale gameplan, and the lack of players we have who are willing or mentally able to take the game on.

5) Our coach is now a proven idiot and unlike previous years, there are now clearly players who aren’t playing for him. His assistants have been shown up as the worst group of assistants in the entire league. Seriously, Mick Godden and Van Berlo is the best we can do? Is this club taking the piss out of us? I suppose when 5 of your 8 “leaders” are Lachie Murphy, Wayne Milera, Ben Keays, Mitch Hinge and Brodie Smith, we should already know the answer to that. They would be the leaders of a SANFL side if we hadn’t botched countless drafts with selections based on how nice players’ families are. Losing Rahilly back to Geelong has clearly been a massive loss - would be the equivalent of Port losing Josh Carr and let’s face it, Josh Carr coaches Port while Kenny rubs their knees and tells them he loves them on the bench.

6) the midfield has regressed to literally being the worst in the league. Stats don’t lie. The numbers of EFFECTIVE clearances that lead to scores are historically low - we are again ranked 18th in the league for this. And that’s because we don’t have enough talent. And that’s because we’ve recruited a black hole in there. Hat tip to Hamish who has literally never drafted an afl quality midfielder with a top 20 draft pick in his entire reign of terror as head recruiter. Not one. Jack MacRae would walk in to our best 18 and come close to winning a club champion award. He can’t make the starting midfield of a non-finals team. Port’s 4th best mid is better than our 2nd best mid. GWS have players in their reserves who would be top 10 players for us. Etc

7) Other clubs have completely worked us out. Apply pressure to the ball carrier and the honest triers with little talent wilt and cough it up. Has worked in 4 of 4 games so far. Will the super coaches and super leaders and super midfield overcome this moving forward? I’m betting on no.



The only positives so far this year for me are the ongoing improvement of Soligo, the fact that we FINALLY selected Nankervis in Rd 4 (just imagine the level of stupidity involved in thinking BOTH of Sholl and Jones were better options in the first 3 games), the promising signs from Keane and the fact that maybe us being THIS bad will result in some of the cancers at the club being fired.

We are never returning to finals as long as any of Nicks, Van Berlo, Godden, Ricciuto, Hamish Ogilvie, Brodie Smith, Lachie Murphy, Ned McHenry, Lachie Sholl or Rory Laird have anything to do with the AFL team, so the sooner we clear out this trash, the better. Not to mention the garbage we have at the bottom of our list such as Himmelberg, Bond, Hamill, Parnell and Strachan. And that still doesn’t address the lack of midfield talent on the list outside of Dawson and Soligo. Rachele will never be a mid. Rankine will only ever be a part-time mid. Everyone else is either proven trash, or a flanker.


Feel free to bump this post when we win our 7th game this season though, I’ll cop that if it happens and maybe there’ll be some significant form reversals and fairytale stories that drive it. Murray and Thilthorpe returning should provide something, but neither of them are going to help the midfield chasm of talent. Even in 2020-21, I could see more positives than this, and the rebuild was taking shape. There is nothing taking shape at the moment other than a complete disaster.
Everything else is going well though?

How are our website hits looking?
 
You would think an AFL coach could do both, not at Adelaide.
I still blame Godden for the way Jones plays, when he first came into the team and Godden was our midfield coach.
Lost all instinct because it looked like he had to worry about the defensive side of his game instead of getting the ball.
Jones is different, imo he’s looked completely lost from day 1 except parts of last year.
 
Robbo's column in the Advertiser this morning looks at the personnel in a number of teams midfields. Reading the names and depth at a number of other clubs, including Port, makes you realise what a gulf it is back to our vanilla current midfield.

The season is highly likely gone, spend the rest of 2024 with Soligo, Rankine, Rachelle etc in there with Dawson to at least see if we can fast track a new midfield.
 

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Robbo's column in the Advertiser this morning looks at the personnel in a number of teams midfields. Reading the names and depth at a number of other clubs, including Port, makes you realise what a gulf it is back to our vanilla current midfield.

The season is highly likely gone, spend the rest of 2024 with Soligo, Rankine, Rachelle etc in there with Dawson to at least see if we can fast track a new midfield.
The bigger problem is our midfield is largely vanilla by choice.

We have some pieces we could try, Nicks doesn't want to and has largely never wanted to put any youth in the midfield. Heck, even our backline has largely been forced upon him by injuries and retirements. If things were slightly different we'd still have Talia, Doedee and Brown in for Keane, Worrell and Michalanney.
 
like most of us said during the rebuild we can accept losing if hes playing the kids. unfortunately he never brought kids through the midfield.
Schoberg, Berry probably the only 2 that have had some time. Soli looks like gonna have an ended run this year.
If they are drafted as a mid then play them as a mid. Imagine how good Pedlar would potentially look now if they hadnt played him as a fwd.
 
Go back and watch when he first started with us. He had elite talent.
He's just been coached in the 'Crows way' now.
We've ruined him.
I think you can still get the talent out of him. He’s shown it from time to time this year, that mark against the Cats comes to mind

But he’s not in form currently
 
Have to agree. Wayne doing Wayne things. Again

Greene was drafted as a midfielder and played as a pure mid early doors

The knock on him early in his career was that he got a lot of the ball but didn't do any damage with it.

Rachele is doing fine, having him signed long term is one of the biggest positives the club has going for it at the moment. Will be one of our best players across the next decade and will make the transition to midfield.
 
The knock on him early in his career was that he got a lot of the ball but didn't do any damage with it.

Rachele is doing fine, having him signed long term is one of the biggest positives the club has going for it at the moment. Will be one of our best players across the next decade and will make the transition to midfield.
Rozee IIRC was similarly targeted by some (I know I was one who did) for stagnating in his 2nd and 3rd years

Rash still has the time and talent to become a quality player
 
It feels like the key decision at the club at the moment lies around Crouch and Laird. Both could have 3-5 years ahead of them and both are good enough that it is awkward to drop them, but we absolutely can't afford to have them taking up so much of our midfield time for 3-5 years. It doesn't get the results we want and it halts our development.


I wonder if Nicks feels a bit like taking Laird out of the midfield is an admission that he was wrong and his critics were right.

Laird's move to the midfield is one of the major success stories of Nicks' tenure so far. But it seems more and more obvious what needs to happen.

I worry that our decisions are very reactionary, Rankine's midfield time was talked up all preseason, had an ok game there in round 1 but media picked up on a couple of poor defensive positioning errors and it seems he gets moved out. You could argue we looked like we needed scoring options up forward but again that's short term reactionary thinking when we have been crying out for a mid that can do the things that Rankine can do for a decade. Put him in there and back him in even if not everything is going to plan. What would have happened with Dawson if he asked to be put in the midfield and then had a poor game there to start with?

Given finals are now unlikely I think it's pretty crucial for our future that we end up with a pick before Welsh's bid comes in. It's a unique opportunity to get two highly rated talents in instead of one and we can't afford to miss out on a high end midfielder for another year. A bad year now could be a real blessing in the long run.

Someone like Burgess is fine and all but what does it do for us in the long run if he comes in and plays some fine football. I've accepted now that Gollant probably doesn't have a future in the AFL but I would rather he gets 6 games to completely rule that out.
 
So efficiency the main difference. We know Rash’s skills and decision making are better than what he’s shown this season, hopefully he can get back to higher quality delivery soon
#gameplan

Its creating a malaise in our playing group and those who were last year reliable by foot are now struggling
 
#gameplan

Its creating a malaise in our playing group and those who were last year reliable by foot are now struggling
Yep. I’d put it partially down to personal form too, but Dawson, Hinge, Jones etc also looking not nearly as efficient

If it’s one player, it’s probably on them. If it’s more than one player, it’s probably on someone higher up
 
Given we’re meant to be rebuilding I went back to random wins over the last few years to see our midfield mix

Round 20 - 2022 beat Carlton at home
CBA
Berry 18
Laird 17
Schoenberg 16
Soligo 15

Now compare that to our current Dads army?

Now nearly 2 years later in a rebuild if we’ve decided all these young blokes aren’t up to it - how did we respond?

Did we spend high draft capital on mid? Nope? We traded for Rankine, chased Redman and Petty

For a rebuild, it’s hard to see our priorities have a consistency to them
 
Given we’re meant to be rebuilding I went back to random wins over the last few years to see our midfield mix

Round 20 - 2022 beat Carlton at home
CBA
Berry 18
Laird 17
Schoenberg 16
Soligo 15

Now compare that to our current Dads army?

Now nearly 2 years later in a rebuild if we’ve decided all these young blokes aren’t up to it - how did we respond?

Did we spend high draft capital on mid? Nope? We traded for Rankine, chased Redman and Petty

For a rebuild, it’s hard to see our priorities have a consistency to them

We don't look beyond the very next week. That's it. How do we win the next week. Three years from now? Who cares. Wins now.
 

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