Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 5

Continued From Part 4: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/how-would-you-rate-daniel-andrews-performance-as-victorian-premier-part-4.1257360/

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[Snake_Baker]

I realise they are all scumbags mate. I have been pretty scathing of this mob, the mob that I voted for over the past few months...as evidenced in this thread if you go back a bit.

But when someone asks if the taxpayer funds the Premier's sick leave then what sort of response are they expecting?

Then surely it benefits us all if they all have the rug continually pulled from underneath them, eventually leading to the ushering in of a (hopefully) better alternative?

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

It's not as if the folks who dive in to this stuff are not well meaning people, it's just that most of them don't know that they're even wet.

There's an element of a lack of introspection in this behavior.


I mean, on our board I just had a kid quote:

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They are not remotely aware of the contradictions in their own psychology.

Pfft, yeah whatever mate.

Is Dan Andrew's sick leave taxpayer funded? Sweet f***ing Jesus if you think that shit is genuine.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Pfft, yeah whatever mate.

Is Dan Andrew's sick leave taxpayer funded? Sweet f***ing Jesus if you think that sh*t is genuine.

I'll go one further.

The voting block that gets him in to power are tax payer funded. He is a self replicating bureaucratic phenomenon.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Then surely it benefits us all if they all have the rug continually pulled from underneath them, eventually leading to the ushering in of a (hopefully) better alternative?

No arguments there either.

But how does that relate to a person being on leave that they both need and are entitled to?

And I am not sure what the better alternative is or where it's coming from at the moment. At both state and federal level all current options appear pretty bloody turgid to me.

 

[MarcMaverick]

So it was Victorian hotel quarantine all along.

"It was me Austin!"
"Aw Sonovabitch!"

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

I'll go one further.

The voting block that gets him in to power are tax payer funded. He is a self replicating bureaucratic phenomenon.

That's not just one side of politics though is it? So if you are going to levy that criticism (valid I might add) you need to point the finger at all of them. Ask yourself how it is that the LNP won the last federal election. How much cash went into certain offshore and Queenslander pockets?

 

[adogsfan5]

Whatever mate, noted that you were looking for an ally too. You and I both know what you were getting at.

Have a nice day.....insert last word below as you wish.

Breathe in... and breathe out. Goosfraba.

 

[Snake_Baker]

No arguments there either.

But how does that relate to a person being on leave that they both need and are entitled to?

It's a trivial aside.

My point was to highlight how far removed his own life experience is from most of his electorate of Victoria.

He's a professional bureaucrat whose existence is largely facilitated by other professional bureaucrats.

 

[Snake_Baker]

That's not just one side of politics though is it? So if you are going to levy that criticism (valid I might add) you need to point the finger at all of them. Ask yourself how it is that the LNP won the last federal election. How much cash went into certain offshore and Queenslander pockets?

At the end of the day, my view is that the expansion of the state is the slightly greater evil of two massive evils.

 

[tandino]

It's a trivial aside.

My point was to highlight how far removed his own life experience is from most of his electorate of Victoria.

He's a professional bureaucrat whose existence is largely facilitated by other professional bureaucrats.

As they are all.

 

[Doss]

Breathe in... and breathe out. Goosfraba.

Great. Now I'm gonna have a series of throwaway lines from shit Adam Sandler movies clouding my head all day.

 

[Snake_Baker]

As they are all.

My anger really arises from the takeover and gentrification of the working class political machinery and its application now for a generation of imposters, who don't give a flying **** about actual workers.

If you give me a gun with one bullet and tell me I can either shoot an enemy or a traitor in the head, then the traitor will get it every time.

 

[adogsfan5]

Great. Now I'm gonna have a series of throwaway lines from sh*t Adam Sandler movies clouding my head all day.

Haha how can ya not! Gives everyone a chuckle

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

My anger really arises from the takeover and gentrification of the working class political machinery and its application now for a generation of imposters, who don't give a flying fu** about actual workers.

If you give me a gun with one bullet and tell me I can either shoot an enemy or a traitor in the head, then the traitor will get it every time.

I agree 100%

 

[tandino]

okay, lets play this out

if an infected case has been moving about, their entire transit has to be made public so people in the areas of concern can be tested. firstly to try and find out where they got it from, but secondly to see where else has been potentially infected.

this case had a window where they could have been infected any time between the trip to NSW and the return in North Melbourne.

All options had to be investigated, and if they didnt, and we had another case of the truckie in Shepparton, you would be the first demanding heads.

be public, you want them sacked. keep it quiet, and you would want them sacked. funny that hey

Well you're right, the sackings should continue until morale improves.

But I didn't say they should have kept it quiet, I'd just rather Prof Lewin's "its likely it came out of quarantine" truth compared to the alternative "we don't know where it came from" truth. Neither are false, but one is more useful compared to the other.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Well you're right, the sackings should continue until morale improves.

But I didn't say they should have kept it quiet, I'd just rather Prof Lewin's "its likely it came out of quarantine" truth compared to the alternative "we don't know where it came from" truth. Neither are false, but one is more useful compared to the other.

The official narrative was never it came from nsw. Melbourne, regional Vic, and NSW were all under investigation, because there was no genetic link at the time

And the diplomat stuff was Twitter talk the media picked up, not from the govt

 

[Nikita Blue]

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We can finally put this one to bed. All we needed! Don’t think this suggests he was bashed.

Stand by for the Liberals to whinge about the waste of Ambulance Victoria's resources in providing this.

 

[tandino]

The official narrative was never it came from nsw. Melbourne, regional Vic, and NSW were all under investigation, because there was no genetic link at the time

And the diplomat stuff was Twitter talk the media picked up, not from the govt

Oh my criticism isn't just directed at the government. Probably could have made that clearer.

 

[Magnum27]

Sick leave is cumulative at most places. Many places also offer unlimited sick leave for major injuries. I have about 75 days sick leave currently accumulated given I have taken very little and been employed at the same place for 8 years.

And yes, it was a loaded question. If it wasn't you wouldn't have mentioned the taxpayer funded part.

Spot on, when i had my blood clots back in 2018, i had a month off work and was covered as i had in excess of 60 days owing.

 

[QuietB]

At the end of the day, my view is that the expansion of the state is the slightly greater evil of two massive evils.

This pandemic has proven that we need the state though. A smaller state is a folly. And a privatised government is an even bigger folly. Imagine the current shitshow we would be living if the state had not intervened?

The problem however is that the state is too easily manipulated and too easily corrupted.

Pissweak or non existent ICAC's in Victoria and federally are a massive problem. But then NSW has a strong ICAC and all sorts of corruption still happens there.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

My anger really arises from the takeover and gentrification of the working class political machinery and its application now for a generation of imposters, who don't give a flying fu** about actual workers.

If you give me a gun with one bullet and tell me I can either shoot an enemy or a traitor in the head, then the traitor will get it every time.

as a member of the ALP i can tell you that yes what you say is true (in that the ALP of today is different from 30 years ago), but not the why.

If the ALP was still banging the workers of the world unite drum, it would poll worse than the greens. why, because we dont have the sweat equity jobs that the alp was built on in this economy any more.

and even in the sectors still with union representation, that has changed. closed shops are mostly gone, and many people are choosing not to be a union member. add to that unions now cant even unite amongst themselves (ie nurses and cfmeu have campaigned for the libs/greens in some recent elections, and there is a split in the CFMEU between the miners and the builders).

in the past unions had political power, but thats because the power was invested in them by the people. The people have moved on, so unions now are glorified employment agents.

as to the why, its twofold. firstly in expanding economies you dont need a union to protect you, and employers/libs used this time brilliantly to create a narrative that unions hurt your hip pocket. Add to that peoples perceptions of themselves have changed. Most people no longer consider themselves working class. Most think of themselves as middle income - be they on $40k or $400k (i kid you not, we are a nation who thinks we are all the average!). Again, the perception has been created that unions are for poor jobs, so if your successful (i know...) you dont need one.

the ALP today is basically half the greens, and half the old liberal wets. and this is because the old supporters are pushing up daisies and no longer exist.

 

[QuietB]

as a member of the ALP i can tell you that yes what you say is true (in that the ALP of today is different from 30 years ago), but not the why.

If the ALP was still banging the workers of the world unite drum, it would poll worse than the greens. why, because we dont have the sweat equity jobs that the alp was built on in this economy any more.

and even in the sectors still with union representation, that has changed. closed shops are mostly gone, and many people are choosing not to be a union member. add to that unions now cant even unite amongst themselves (ie nurses and cfmeu have campaigned for the libs/greens in some recent elections, and there is a split in the CFMEU between the miners and the builders).

in the past unions had political power, but thats because the power was invested in them by the people. The people have moved on, so unions now are glorified employment agents.

as to the why, its twofold. firstly in expanding economies you dont need a union to protect you, and employers/libs used this time brilliantly to create a narrative that unions hurt your hip pocket. Add to that peoples perceptions of themselves have changed. Most people no longer consider themselves working class. Most think of themselves as middle income - be they on $40k or $400k (i kid you not, we are a nation who thinks we are all the average!). Again, the perception has been created that unions are for poor jobs, so if your successful (i know...) you dont need one.

the ALP today is basically half the greens, and half the old liberal wets. and this is because the old supporters are pushing up daisies and no longer exist.

According to the ABS there are 2.422 million trading businesses in Australia. That is close to 17% of all tax payers in Australia.

Of those 2.422 million I'd suggest a huge proportion used to be "workers".

It is a pretty handy head start.

 

[Magnum27]

From here, the theory for Kappa, doesn't sound like they really know yet how it got out, seems to have taken a while to infect someone else if he got released on the 23rd.

Source of mystery Vic outbreak found

Victoria’s concerning outbreak of the Delta strain of Covid-19 has been linked to a returned traveller, though questions still remain about how it leaked into the community.

www.news.com.au

The returned traveller tested positive to the virus the same day he arrived in Melbourne and was transferred from the Novotel Ibis quarantine hotel to the Holiday Inn health hotel on May 14 before being released from quarantine on May 23.

Investigations have so far revealed there were 24 people on the same plane as the case, with all crew and passengers testing negative.

Of the 268 staff who worked at the Ibis hotel on May 8 an 9 and the 360 staff at the health hotel, there were no positive tests identified. All 12 residents housed in the same Novotel Ibis have tested negative.



Deputy chief health officer Allen Cheng said this suggests there has been transmission either directly from person-to-person or indirectly via unidentified cases to the family and the community.

“The investigation is continuing but there is four main theories and some of them are more or less likely. The first possibly is that the case transmitted to or was infected by someone — another passenger on the plane — and that person has gone on to infect someone in the community,” Professor Cheng said.

“The second possibility is that the case transmitted after he left hotel quarantine. The third is that the case transmitted to a staff member somewhere along their journey from the airport to transport to the first hotel to transport to the second hotel and then out to the community, and then the fourth possibility is that the case transmitted to a hotel resident who has then transmitted to the community after their quarantine stay.”

 

[hawkman]

I wonder if they didn't release much information about the fall knowing that certain Libs couldn't be able to be held back and would eventually embarrass themselves trying to get the info.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

According to the ABS there are 2.422 million trading businesses in Australia. That is close to 17% of all tax payers in Australia.

Of those 2.422 million I'd suggest a huge proportion used to be "workers".

It is a pretty handy head start.

That's the key though. They used to be. Those don't see themselves as workers anymore, but business owners.

That don't want minimum wage protection, they want more.incentives for small business and job protections removed.

That's my point. The party had to move on because its base already had